Bill Nakayama Posted April 19, 2021 Share Posted April 19, 2021 On 4/17/2021 at 10:11 AM, cnosil said: Also, in the article Horschel states: "I think when you look at what guys are doing now with the arm lock and moving the grips to the side where it's parallel or matches the face and then when you do that up against your arm, I mean, it's—you know that face is dead square and that face doesn't rotate at all," Horschel continuted. "It's just sort of locked in. Guys are doing it too good." To my knowledge there isn't anything in the rules that states you can't turn your normal putting grip to the side and use the flat part against your lead hand and accomplish the same thing. You could go a little farther up and use the Superstroke wrist lock grip which basically does what I am describing but locks it in the wrist. Horschel should use the armlock then maybe he'd be a better putter. He's a whinner ole gray and DaveP043 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
[email protected] Posted April 19, 2021 Share Posted April 19, 2021 Silly argument. Arm lock putting is not illegal because the rules allow it. Period. With the blowback that the USGA had from the PGA of America about banning the anchoring of long putters I doubt that the USGA is in any mood to ban the arm lock method. Golfers go to other methods of putting when they feel like they can not putt with a short putter any more. Everyone that uses these methods are basically putting cripples and 99 out of a hundred that try it do not putt a bit better. Growing the game is in the best interest of all golfers and banning any method that does not let you stand behind the ball to putt is not beneficial to growing the game. ole gray and excourse 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DaveP043 Posted April 19, 2021 Share Posted April 19, 2021 51 minutes ago, Brinkie said: I don't understand why the USGA and RGA don't put a max putter length in the rules. That would get rid of all this. I'm pretty sure that no club may be longer than 48 inches. Not even a putter. Dpriceva and RickyBobby_PR 2 Quote Irons Titleist T200, AMT Red stiff Rogue SubZero, GD YS-Six X T22 54 and 58 wedges 7-wood 5-wood B60 G5i putter Right handed Reston, Virginia Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cnosil Posted April 19, 2021 Share Posted April 19, 2021 1 hour ago, Brinkie said: I don't understand why the USGA and RGA don't put a max putter length in the rules. That would get rid of all this. It is in the rules: The overall length of the club must be at least 18 inches (0.457m) and, except for putters, must not exceed 48 inches (1.219m). We could make if 35" but I can still armlock with a 35" putter. Quote Driver: G400 Max 9* w/ KBS Tour Driven Fairway: TS3 15* w/Project X Hzardous Smoke Hybrids: 915H 21* w/KBS Tour Graphite Hybrid Prototype 915H 24* w/KBS Tour Graphite Hybrid Prototype Irons: TR20V 6-11 w/Vizard TR20-85 Graphite Wedge: 54/12D, 60/8M w/:Accra iWedge 90 Graphite Putter: Sacks Parente MC 3 Stripe Backup Putters: Milled Collection RSX 2, mFGP2, Futura 5W, TM-180 Member: MGS Hitsquad since 2017 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ole gray Posted April 19, 2021 Share Posted April 19, 2021 Heck I bought the same grip ($32.00 freaking dollars)that Bryson uses, turned the flat side against my forearm, and still couldn’t make it work Consistently!especially from long distances. Hell it’s akin to using a blue tick or a redbone hound. Neither one works well for all coon hunters. Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk cnosil 1 Quote Ping G430 Max Driver 10.5 Degree Titleist TSR1 4, 5, & 6 Hybrids Titleist T350 Irons 7 - W48 Cleveland CBX ZipCore 52 56 & 60 Degree Wedges LAB Mezz Max Broomstick Putter / TPT Shaft (Platinum @ 45/78) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ole gray Posted April 19, 2021 Share Posted April 19, 2021 Horschel should use the armlock then maybe he'd be a better putter. He's a whinner Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk excourse and GolfSpy_BNG 2 Quote Ping G430 Max Driver 10.5 Degree Titleist TSR1 4, 5, & 6 Hybrids Titleist T350 Irons 7 - W48 Cleveland CBX ZipCore 52 56 & 60 Degree Wedges LAB Mezz Max Broomstick Putter / TPT Shaft (Platinum @ 45/78) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DaveP043 Posted April 19, 2021 Share Posted April 19, 2021 10 minutes ago, cnosil said: It is in the rules: The overall length of the club must be at least 18 inches (0.457m) and, except for putters, must not exceed 48 inches (1.219m). We could make if 35" but I can still armlock with a 35" putter. You're correct, I was wrong, I should learn to check the rule before I type. Even so, the armlock users aren't using really long putters, not as long as the nearly chin-height putters used by Scott and Langer. And a putter that's appropriate for a tall player would be easy to armlock for a shorter player. The length would have to be pretty short to eliminate the armlock stroke. Nolan220 and cnosil 2 Quote Irons Titleist T200, AMT Red stiff Rogue SubZero, GD YS-Six X T22 54 and 58 wedges 7-wood 5-wood B60 G5i putter Right handed Reston, Virginia Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jborchel Posted April 19, 2021 Share Posted April 19, 2021 I tried arm lock today for the first time. I had a two ball long putter that I sawed off to 41 inches. I have to say it worked pretty good' especially the longer than 10 foot putts. I found that I was less inclined to change the face angle just before contact so that the ball usually went where I was aiming and my distance control was better. Shorter putts were a little more difficult though. The reason was that the stance is uncomfortable getting used too. Having to use the Claw grip contributed because you have to lean over much more. Only one three putt today versus the normal four or five. Micah T 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post cnosil Posted April 19, 2021 Popular Post Share Posted April 19, 2021 2 hours ago, LICC said: You are the king of straw men. There is evidence that the arm lock has improved performance- all the players who improved their putting after using it. Bryson, Bradley, Simpson, Kuchar, etc. And arm locking is not the same as different hand grips. Arm, not hand. Hence the term, "arm lock". Sorry you don't think my opinions have an substance. If you can say that armlock is anchoring, I can say that using different grips gives players competitive advantage and improves their performance. Yes, players improved their putting after using armlock, but players have improved by doing other approaches and by changing grips. Isn't the objective of golf is to shoot lower scores and get better? I understand your personal opinion; which matches other peoples opinions, but the fact of the matter is that this approach is legal and if it is so great and provides such a significant competitive advantage other players should switch to using it. You mentioned Morikawa improving via a new grip which he did: Morikawa entered the tournament 213th in Strokes Gained: Putting on the season, but the change resulted in him finishing the WGC-Workday 10th in strokes gained on the green. Fleetwood improved because of a new grip: I keep my stats using Golf DataLab and this is what I’ve seen so far this season. My short range putting has stayed pretty similar at 92.9% from inside six feet. It’s been in the medium range zone I have really seen improvements, holing over 10% more putts from seven to 15 feet than ever before. Per round I have also been holing more than 40 feet more putts than last season with an average footage holed of 96, up from 53. Overall I have seen my Strokes Gained: Putting improve from -2.7 to -0.4, reducing my score by more than two shots a round. All, quite simply, by being a better putter thanks to trying a new putting grip. Lets look at the best SG Putting from 2020 (picked because 2021 isn't a complete season Denny McCarthy - Conventional Matt Fitzpatrick - Conventional Andrew Putnam - Conventional Kris Ventura - Conventional KEvin Na - Conventional Ian Poulter - Conventional Matt Kucher - Armlock mackenzie hughes - conventional maverick mcnealy - conventional Bryson - armlock Patrick Rodgers - conventional Patrick Reed - conventional Webb Simpson - armlock J T Poston - conventional KEvin Kisner - conventional (experimenting with armlock) wyndham clark - conventional Daniel Berger - conventional Harris English - conventional Dominic Bozzelli - conventional Brendon Todd - conventional In this game the goal is to improve and for the amount of money being played for on tour, players will do what it takes to improve performance. Your general position with most of your posts is I don't like it and here are people in the golf industry that don't like it so we need to change the rules. Also people are getting better and that is bad for golf and must be cheating. How about mallet putters or perimeter weighting? Where do you draw the line at what is acceptable and what isn't? excourse, Kenny B, THEZIPR23 and 7 others 7 3 Quote Driver: G400 Max 9* w/ KBS Tour Driven Fairway: TS3 15* w/Project X Hzardous Smoke Hybrids: 915H 21* w/KBS Tour Graphite Hybrid Prototype 915H 24* w/KBS Tour Graphite Hybrid Prototype Irons: TR20V 6-11 w/Vizard TR20-85 Graphite Wedge: 54/12D, 60/8M w/:Accra iWedge 90 Graphite Putter: Sacks Parente MC 3 Stripe Backup Putters: Milled Collection RSX 2, mFGP2, Futura 5W, TM-180 Member: MGS Hitsquad since 2017 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cnosil Posted April 19, 2021 Share Posted April 19, 2021 59 minutes ago, DaveP043 said: The length would have to be pretty short to eliminate the armlock stroke. Yep, If I go left hand low, I can "armlock" my 35" putter a few inches above the wrist. Quote Driver: G400 Max 9* w/ KBS Tour Driven Fairway: TS3 15* w/Project X Hzardous Smoke Hybrids: 915H 21* w/KBS Tour Graphite Hybrid Prototype 915H 24* w/KBS Tour Graphite Hybrid Prototype Irons: TR20V 6-11 w/Vizard TR20-85 Graphite Wedge: 54/12D, 60/8M w/:Accra iWedge 90 Graphite Putter: Sacks Parente MC 3 Stripe Backup Putters: Milled Collection RSX 2, mFGP2, Futura 5W, TM-180 Member: MGS Hitsquad since 2017 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TBT Posted April 20, 2021 Share Posted April 20, 2021 This whole thing came off as “whining” to me, “they are doing it too good” really???? So should hybrids be illegal because some guys hit them too good? Should stiff wristed wedge shots be illegal because Steve Stricker is so good at it??If you think it’s an advantage then learn to putt that waySent from my iPad using MyGolfSpy Quote XR Driver Matrix Ozik 8m3 Black Tie Shaft King F7 3W UST Mamiya Chrome Elements 7F4 Shaft King F7 5W UST Mamiya Chrome Elements 7F4 Shaft King F7 4 Hybrid Graphite Designs Tour AD-HY 95 Shaft PXG 0211 DC 5-PW Mitsubishi MMT 80 Shafts RTX ZIPCORE 50*,54*,58* UST Mamiya Recoil 95 Shafts Metal X Milled #7 with SuperStroke 2.0 grip MTB Twitter: @timldotson Instagram: timldotson Facebook: TimDotson Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brinkie Posted April 20, 2021 Share Posted April 20, 2021 I know there is a max length rule I was saying it should be shorter for putters..36" max, you could still arm lock but would have to change so much Quote Golf without a cigar has not been a good use of time. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cnosil Posted April 20, 2021 Share Posted April 20, 2021 I know there is a max length rule I was saying it should be shorter for putters..36" max, you could still arm lock but would have to change so muchYou acknowledge you can still armlock with 36” so why cut it off there. How would you account for a tall player with short arms that needs longer to do a conventional grip. Basically you are telling that person sorry you can’t putt like everyone else you need to find a different way, we had to make a rule to stop those armlock people. ole gray, Haro and RickyBobby_PR 3 Quote Driver: G400 Max 9* w/ KBS Tour Driven Fairway: TS3 15* w/Project X Hzardous Smoke Hybrids: 915H 21* w/KBS Tour Graphite Hybrid Prototype 915H 24* w/KBS Tour Graphite Hybrid Prototype Irons: TR20V 6-11 w/Vizard TR20-85 Graphite Wedge: 54/12D, 60/8M w/:Accra iWedge 90 Graphite Putter: Sacks Parente MC 3 Stripe Backup Putters: Milled Collection RSX 2, mFGP2, Futura 5W, TM-180 Member: MGS Hitsquad since 2017 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LICC Posted April 20, 2021 Author Share Posted April 20, 2021 43 minutes ago, cnosil said: You acknowledge you can still armlock with 36” so why cut it off there. How would you account for a tall player with short arms that needs longer to do a conventional grip. Basically you are telling that person sorry you can’t putt like everyone else you need to find a different way, we had to make a rule to stop those armlock people. Then why have a limit on any clubs? Or do what should be done- ban the armlock for being an improper golf stroke Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Armlock53 Posted April 20, 2021 Share Posted April 20, 2021 If you look at Horshel’s grip of the putter, you’ll notice that the putter if firmly locked on his wrist. Billy is a good player with a great golf swing. However he challenges Speith in the whining department. Shut up and play Billy, you can control only your own play. excourse, ole gray and DaveP043 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chip Strokes Posted April 20, 2021 Share Posted April 20, 2021 1 hour ago, LICC said: Then why have a limit on any clubs? Or do what should be done- ban the armlock for being an improper golf stroke @cnosil hits his 4h way more consistently than i hit my 4i. do what should be done and take that out of his hands i think the ruling bodies should make it so that everyone has to hit irons with the same length and loft as me to make things fair. Nolan220 and excourse 2 Quote SIM2 8º | KuroKage XD 70TX SIM 3W 14º | Fujikura Atmos Black Tour Spec 9TX SIM2 5W 18º | Fujikura Ventus Black 10X U500 2i | Fujikura Ventus HB Black 10TX T100 4-PW | Dynamic Gold X7 SM6 52* SM8 56* SM8 60* | Dynamic Gold Tour Issue X100 DW | BGT Stability Tour Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LICC Posted April 20, 2021 Author Share Posted April 20, 2021 16 minutes ago, Chip Strokes said: @cnosil hits his 4h way more consistently than i hit my 4i. do what should be done and take that out of his hands i think the ruling bodies should make it so that everyone has to hit irons with the same length and loft as me to make things fair. I don't think you understood the comments. The point is to NOT restrict club length, but to disallow the improper technique. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GolfSpy_BNG Posted April 20, 2021 Share Posted April 20, 2021 2 minutes ago, LICC said: I don't think you understood the comments. The point is to NOT restrict club length, but to disallow the improper technique. This is getting carried away. There is no proper technique to swing a club or putter. Everybody does things differently in their swing due to any number of physical or mental limitations. Also as far as armlock being an advantage, it is only an advantage if you can do something NOBODY else can do. Anybody can use the armlock therefore it is not an advantage. I am sure Billy and others have tried armlock and decided on their OWN that the benefits did NOT outweigh the negatives. Play however you want with whatever equipment you want and abide by the rules for any tourney you enter. It isn’t that hard to understand or figure out. All your doing is coming off as whiny as a multimillionaire complaining that somebody putts better than him. ole gray, downlowkey, Dpriceva and 3 others 6 Quote What is in my Sun Mountain C-130 bag or Jones MyGolfSpy bag Driver: Dark speed LS 8* set to -1.5* with an Attas Daaas 4x shaft @ 45” Fairway: F85 3 wood with a XPhplexx Agera X @ 42.5” F85 5 wood with a UST Elements Chrome 7F5 @ 41.5" Driving Iron: Rapture 2-Iron Irons: SMS Pros 4-PW with Steelfiber I95s Wedges: SMS 50* T grind with Steelfiber i110s Glide 4.0 46* zz wedge shaft Glide 4.0 E grind 54* zz wedge shaft Putters: Mezz.1 34” 69* lie EV5.1 black 33.5” 69* lie Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LICC Posted April 20, 2021 Author Share Posted April 20, 2021 6 minutes ago, blackngold_blood said: This is getting carried away. There is no proper technique to swing a club or putter. Everybody does things differently in their swing due to any number of physical or mental limitations. Also as far as armlock being an advantage, it is only an advantage if you can do something NOBODY else can do. Anybody can use the armlock therefore it is not an advantage. I am sure Billy and others have tried armlock and decided on their OWN that the benefits did NOT outweigh the negatives. Play however you want with whatever equipment you want and abide by the rules for any tourney you enter. It isn’t that hard to understand or figure out. All your doing is coming off as whiny as a multimillionaire complaining that somebody putts better than him. The USGA has ruled that anchoring a belly putter is an improper technique to swing a putter. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GolfSpy_BNG Posted April 20, 2021 Share Posted April 20, 2021 6 minutes ago, LICC said: The USGA has ruled that anchoring a belly putter is an improper technique to swing a putter. Let’s just say I call it an illegal stroke not an improper technique. Quote What is in my Sun Mountain C-130 bag or Jones MyGolfSpy bag Driver: Dark speed LS 8* set to -1.5* with an Attas Daaas 4x shaft @ 45” Fairway: F85 3 wood with a XPhplexx Agera X @ 42.5” F85 5 wood with a UST Elements Chrome 7F5 @ 41.5" Driving Iron: Rapture 2-Iron Irons: SMS Pros 4-PW with Steelfiber I95s Wedges: SMS 50* T grind with Steelfiber i110s Glide 4.0 46* zz wedge shaft Glide 4.0 E grind 54* zz wedge shaft Putters: Mezz.1 34” 69* lie EV5.1 black 33.5” 69* lie Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chip Strokes Posted April 20, 2021 Share Posted April 20, 2021 2 minutes ago, blackngold_blood said: Let’s just say I call it an illegal stroke not an improper technique. didn’t peewee herman use an illegal stroke in a movie theater one time? excourse, THEZIPR23 and GolfSpy_BNG 1 2 Quote SIM2 8º | KuroKage XD 70TX SIM 3W 14º | Fujikura Atmos Black Tour Spec 9TX SIM2 5W 18º | Fujikura Ventus Black 10X U500 2i | Fujikura Ventus HB Black 10TX T100 4-PW | Dynamic Gold X7 SM6 52* SM8 56* SM8 60* | Dynamic Gold Tour Issue X100 DW | BGT Stability Tour Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GolfSpy_BNG Posted April 20, 2021 Share Posted April 20, 2021 2 minutes ago, Chip Strokes said: didn’t peewee herman use an illegal stroke in a movie theater one time? Possibly but it sure wasn’t armlocked or anchored! Chip Strokes 1 Quote What is in my Sun Mountain C-130 bag or Jones MyGolfSpy bag Driver: Dark speed LS 8* set to -1.5* with an Attas Daaas 4x shaft @ 45” Fairway: F85 3 wood with a XPhplexx Agera X @ 42.5” F85 5 wood with a UST Elements Chrome 7F5 @ 41.5" Driving Iron: Rapture 2-Iron Irons: SMS Pros 4-PW with Steelfiber I95s Wedges: SMS 50* T grind with Steelfiber i110s Glide 4.0 46* zz wedge shaft Glide 4.0 E grind 54* zz wedge shaft Putters: Mezz.1 34” 69* lie EV5.1 black 33.5” 69* lie Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MGoBlue100 Posted April 20, 2021 Share Posted April 20, 2021 Also, in the article Horschel states: "I think when you look at what guys are doing now with the arm lock and moving the grips to the side where it's parallel or matches the face and then when you do that up against your arm, I mean, it's—you know that face is dead square and that face doesn't rotate at all," Horschel continuted. "It's just sort of locked in. Guys are doing it too good." To my knowledge there isn't anything in the rules that states you can't turn your normal putting grip to the side and use the flat part against your lead hand and accomplish the same thing. You could go a little farther up and use the Superstroke wrist lock grip which basically does what I am describing but locks it in the wrist. Didn’t Justin Rose do this with the FlatCat for a period of time?Sent from my iPhone using MyGolfSpy Quote "Where'd it go?" "Right in the Lumberyard..." Gen 2 0811 XF 10.5* Graphite Design Tour AD DI-6x Gen 2 0211 15* 3W Mitsubishi Tensei Raw Blue 65-S Tour B JGR 15* Fairway UST ProForce V2 7F5 76g X-Flex (These two are gonna fight it out in early "24 to see who stays in the bag...) Tour B JGR 19* & 22* Hybrid UST ProForce V2 90g X-Flex Tour B JGR HF-2 irons (5i - PW) KBS Tour 130x CBX Wedges (50, 54, 58) TT Dynamic Gold 115 Wedge Shaft MATI Mamo Putter 33" Super Stroke Football League 3.0 Slim Hoofer Camo Stand Bag Precision Pro Nexus Rangefinder FAN! PRO Member Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cnosil Posted April 20, 2021 Share Posted April 20, 2021 I don't think you understood the comments. The point is to NOT restrict club length, but to disallow the improper technique.Let me ask a different question. Based on your posts you are a golf traditionalist regarding equipment and want to change rules that you consider too penal or giving an advantage. Within these posts there is no changing anyone’s mine and we continue to banter back and forth. What are you hoping to accomplish with these posts? Do you just want to create animosity? Ultimately the ruling bodies have made decisions and instead of pleading your case here perhaps writing letters and complaining to those ruling bodies might the be a better avenue. GolfSpy_BNG, RickyBobby_PR, DaveP043 and 2 others 4 1 Quote Driver: G400 Max 9* w/ KBS Tour Driven Fairway: TS3 15* w/Project X Hzardous Smoke Hybrids: 915H 21* w/KBS Tour Graphite Hybrid Prototype 915H 24* w/KBS Tour Graphite Hybrid Prototype Irons: TR20V 6-11 w/Vizard TR20-85 Graphite Wedge: 54/12D, 60/8M w/:Accra iWedge 90 Graphite Putter: Sacks Parente MC 3 Stripe Backup Putters: Milled Collection RSX 2, mFGP2, Futura 5W, TM-180 Member: MGS Hitsquad since 2017 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PMookie Posted April 20, 2021 Share Posted April 20, 2021 To me, banning the way something is being done ought to have evidence that the players who do something have an unfair advantage, which is then evidenced in who’s winning tournaments. If you look at the 2021 winner LS so far, the overwhelming majority don’t anchor, therefore, what advantage do those who use this technique really have??? Take away the green reading books if one wants to REALLY find out who can putt the best! As @cnosilsaid way st the beginning, the definition of an illegal putting stroke doesn’t include anchoring. I think this is just Billy whining as usual...... downlowkey, excourse, RickyBobby_PR and 1 other 4 Quote Driver: Ping G430 Max 9*, Ping Tour 70X Fairway: Ping G425 15*, Ping Tour 70X Hybrid: Ping G425 22*, Ping Tour 80X Irons: Ping i230 4-GW, TT DG X100 Wedges: SMS 50D/54V/58DModus 130 stiff, +1” Putter: EAS 1.0 Ball: Titleist 2023 AVX Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cnosil Posted April 20, 2021 Share Posted April 20, 2021 To me, banning the way something is being done ought to have evidence that the players who do something have an unfair advantage, which is then evidenced in who’s winning tournaments.Was there any evidence to ban belly and broomstick anchoring, croquet, Bryson’s sidesaddle putter because of an unfair advantage. They didn’t win every week and all players were free to use them. They ruling bodies seem to use the “it takes the skill out of the game” line to justify even though those approaches take skill to do well. I think it really comes down to appearance and what people think golf should look like. THEZIPR23, excourse, PMookie and 3 others 6 Quote Driver: G400 Max 9* w/ KBS Tour Driven Fairway: TS3 15* w/Project X Hzardous Smoke Hybrids: 915H 21* w/KBS Tour Graphite Hybrid Prototype 915H 24* w/KBS Tour Graphite Hybrid Prototype Irons: TR20V 6-11 w/Vizard TR20-85 Graphite Wedge: 54/12D, 60/8M w/:Accra iWedge 90 Graphite Putter: Sacks Parente MC 3 Stripe Backup Putters: Milled Collection RSX 2, mFGP2, Futura 5W, TM-180 Member: MGS Hitsquad since 2017 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LeftyRM7 Posted April 20, 2021 Share Posted April 20, 2021 Was there any evidence to ban belly and broomstick anchoring, croquet, Bryson’s sidesaddle putter because of an unfair advantage. They didn’t win every week and all players were free to use them. They ruling bodies seem to use the “it takes the skill out of the game” line to justify even though those approaches take skill to do well. I think it really comes down to appearance and what people think golf should look like. Golf is a weird game. I’d like the data to drive some of these decisions, but a lot of the time it comes down to optics and what a certain group of people think the game should look like. I like to think that old way of doing things is slowly going away. That being said, this topic seems like a lot of hot air being exchanged without any real information. I see a lot of data that suggests arm locking is far from an issue. I’ve seen nothing, other than people complaining about it, that even remotely suggests there is an issue. Such a small percentage of golfers do it, it’s hard to tell, but if it was that much better I’d like to think that more people would do it. Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk cnosil and excourse 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LICC Posted April 20, 2021 Author Share Posted April 20, 2021 2 hours ago, cnosil said: Let me ask a different question. Based on your posts you are a golf traditionalist regarding equipment and want to change rules that you consider too penal or giving an advantage. Within these posts there is no changing anyone’s mine and we continue to banter back and forth. What are you hoping to accomplish with these posts? Do you just want to create animosity? Ultimately the ruling bodies have made decisions and instead of pleading your case here perhaps writing letters and complaining to those ruling bodies might the be a better avenue. I am against a method of putting that is inconsistent with the spirit of the game of golf. Should I just post things of which you agree? Isn't a discussion forum the perfect place for people to "banter back and forth"? I am not an traditionalist regarding equipment. I am a traditionalist for the purity of the game. I don't want to see golf go down the road of baseball, which as denigrated the major league game with its analytics strategies and rules changes. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
THEZIPR23 Posted April 20, 2021 Share Posted April 20, 2021 24 minutes ago, LICC said: I am against a method of putting that is inconsistent with the spirit of the game of golf. Should I just post things of which you agree? Isn't a discussion forum the perfect place for people to "banter back and forth"? I am not an traditionalist regarding equipment. I am a traditionalist for the purity of the game. I don't want to see golf go down the road of baseball, which as denigrated the major league game with its analytics strategies and rules changes. What is your definition of the spirit of the game? excourse and RickyBobby_PR 2 Quote Stealth 2+ 9 (Diamana PD 60 S 45") Stealth 2+ 15 (Diamana PD 70 S 43") G425 19 (Raijin 2.0 85x) G425 22 (Raijin 2.0 85x) ZX7 5-9 (KBS C Taper S) Vokey SM9 45 10 F (KBS 610) Vokey SM9 49 08 F (KBS 610) Vokey SM9 55 08 M (KBS 610) Vokey SM9 59 04 T (KBS 610) Spider GT Splitback 34" ProV1 #23 Twitter @THEZIPR23 "One thing Golf has taught me, is that my muscles have no memory." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cnosil Posted April 20, 2021 Share Posted April 20, 2021 I am against a method of putting that is inconsistent with the spirit of the game of golf. Should I just post things of which you agree? Isn't a discussion forum the perfect place for people to "banter back and forth"? I am not an traditionalist regarding equipment. I am a traditionalist for the purity of the game. I don't want to see golf go down the road of baseball, which as denigrated the major league game with its analytics strategies and rules changes.The game is evolving with the things you seem to dislike and will continue to do so. Spirit and purity makes it sound like you are a traditionalist and want to go back to the way it was. You can post whatever you would like, but you posts seem like you just want an argument. I understand your perspective and what you are saying; however, things evolve; golf is evolving. Tools are enabling people to optimize and learn. Equipment is being optimized. Armlock has been around for decades but it is suddenly a problem. Not sure how it disagrees with the spirit of the game. In the beginning of the rule book there is a section called “The Spirit of the Game” and it states the following:Golf is played, for the most part, without the supervision of a referee or umpire. The game relies on the integrity of the individual to show consideration for other players and to abide by the Rules. All players should conduct themselves in a disciplined manner, demonstrating courtesy and sportsmanship at all times, irrespective of how competitive they may be. This is the spirit of the game. Dont see anything in there that says the game can’t advance and help players play better and get more enjoyment from the game. Sounds like you just enjoy the game the way you like and not watch the professionals; because that is really a business and not the game of golf that you seek to enjoy. THEZIPR23, RickyBobby_PR, LeftyRM7 and 3 others 6 Quote Driver: G400 Max 9* w/ KBS Tour Driven Fairway: TS3 15* w/Project X Hzardous Smoke Hybrids: 915H 21* w/KBS Tour Graphite Hybrid Prototype 915H 24* w/KBS Tour Graphite Hybrid Prototype Irons: TR20V 6-11 w/Vizard TR20-85 Graphite Wedge: 54/12D, 60/8M w/:Accra iWedge 90 Graphite Putter: Sacks Parente MC 3 Stripe Backup Putters: Milled Collection RSX 2, mFGP2, Futura 5W, TM-180 Member: MGS Hitsquad since 2017 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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