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On 4/17/2021 at 10:11 AM, cnosil said:

Also,  in the article Horschel states:

"I think when you look at what guys are doing now with the arm lock and moving the grips to the side where it's parallel or matches the face and then when you do that up against your arm, I mean, it's—you know that face is dead square and that face doesn't rotate at all," Horschel continuted. "It's just sort of locked in. Guys are doing it too good."

To my knowledge there isn't anything in the rules that states you can't turn your normal putting grip to the side and use the flat part against your lead hand and accomplish the same thing.  You could go a little farther up and use the Superstroke wrist lock grip which basically does what I am describing but locks it in the wrist.  

Horschel should use the armlock then maybe he'd be a better putter. He's a whinner 

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Okay,  I'll bite.    Everyone has opinions on this and that is fine.   You may not like armlock,  but it isn't cheating and you may want to make it illegal. The rules are about anchoring the end

Sorry you don't think my opinions have an substance.    If you can say that armlock is anchoring, I can say that using different grips gives players competitive advantage and improves their performanc

unless a handful of guys who switch to armlock star tearing though rounds with 20 putts, this seems like an awful lot of wasted energy and key strokes 

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Silly argument. Arm lock putting is not illegal because the rules allow it. Period. With the blowback that the USGA had from the PGA of America about banning the anchoring of long putters I doubt that the USGA is in any mood to ban the arm lock method. Golfers go to other methods of putting when they feel like they can not putt with a short putter any more. Everyone that uses these methods are basically putting cripples and 99 out of a hundred that try it do not putt a bit better. Growing the game is in the best interest of all golfers and banning any method that does not let you stand behind the ball to putt is not beneficial to growing the game. 

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51 minutes ago, Brinkie said:

I don't understand why the USGA and RGA don't put a max putter length in the rules.  That would get rid of all this.

I'm pretty sure that no club may be longer than 48 inches.  Not even a putter.

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1 hour ago, Brinkie said:

I don't understand why the USGA and RGA don't put a max putter length in the rules.  That would get rid of all this.

It is in the rules:  The overall length of the club must be at least 18 inches (0.457m) and, except for putters, must not exceed 48 inches (1.219m).

We could make if 35" but  I can still armlock with a 35" putter.  

 

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Heck I bought the same grip ($32.00 freaking dollars)that Bryson uses, turned the flat side against my forearm, and still couldn’t make it work Consistently!especially from long distances. Hell it’s akin to using a blue tick or a redbone hound. Neither one works well for all coon hunters.


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Horschel should use the armlock then maybe he'd be a better putter. He's a whinner 

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10 minutes ago, cnosil said:

It is in the rules:  The overall length of the club must be at least 18 inches (0.457m) and, except for putters, must not exceed 48 inches (1.219m).

We could make if 35" but  I can still armlock with a 35" putter.  

 

You're correct, I was wrong, I should learn to check the rule before I type.  Even so, the armlock users aren't using really long putters, not as long as the nearly chin-height putters used by Scott and Langer.  And a putter that's appropriate for a tall player would be easy to armlock for a shorter player.  The length would have to be pretty short to eliminate the armlock stroke.

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I tried arm lock today for the first time. I had a two ball long putter that I sawed off to 41 inches. I have to say it worked pretty good' especially the longer than 10 foot putts. I found that I was less inclined to change the face angle just before contact so that the ball usually went where I was aiming and my distance control was better. Shorter putts were a little more difficult though. The reason was that the stance is uncomfortable getting used too. Having to use the Claw grip contributed because you have to lean over much more.

Only one three putt today versus the normal four or five.

 

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59 minutes ago, DaveP043 said:

 The length would have to be pretty short to eliminate the armlock stroke.

Yep,  If I go left hand low,  I can "armlock" my 35" putter a few inches above the wrist. 

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This whole thing came off as “whining” to me, “they are doing it too good” really???? So should hybrids be illegal because some guys hit them too good? Should stiff wristed wedge shots be illegal because Steve Stricker is so good at it??

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I know there is a max length rule I was saying it should be shorter for putters..36" max, you could still arm lock but would have to change so much

Golf without a cigar has not been a good use of time.

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I know there is a max length rule I was saying it should be shorter for putters..36" max, you could still arm lock but would have to change so much

You acknowledge you can still armlock with 36” so why cut it off there. How would you account for a tall player with short arms that needs longer to do a conventional grip. Basically you are telling that person sorry you can’t putt like everyone else you need to find a different way, we had to make a rule to stop those armlock people.
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43 minutes ago, cnosil said:


You acknowledge you can still armlock with 36” so why cut it off there. How would you account for a tall player with short arms that needs longer to do a conventional grip. Basically you are telling that person sorry you can’t putt like everyone else you need to find a different way, we had to make a rule to stop those armlock people.

Then why have a limit on any clubs? Or do what should be done- ban the armlock for being an improper golf stroke

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If you look at Horshel’s grip of the putter, you’ll notice that

the putter if firmly locked on his wrist. Billy is a good player

with a great golf swing. However he challenges Speith in the

whining department. Shut up and play Billy, you can control

only your own play. 

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1 hour ago, LICC said:

Then why have a limit on any clubs? Or do what should be done- ban the armlock for being an improper golf stroke

@cnosil hits his 4h way more consistently than i hit my 4i.  do what should be done and take that out of his hands  

i think the ruling bodies should make it so that everyone has to hit irons with the same length and loft as me to make things fair. 

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16 minutes ago, Chip Strokes said:

@cnosil hits his 4h way more consistently than i hit my 4i.  do what should be done and take that out of his hands  

i think the ruling bodies should make it so that everyone has to hit irons with the same length and loft as me to make things fair. 

I don't think you understood the comments. The point is to NOT restrict club length, but to disallow the improper technique.

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2 minutes ago, LICC said:

I don't think you understood the comments. The point is to NOT restrict club length, but to disallow the improper technique.

This is getting carried away. There is no proper technique to swing a club or putter. Everybody does things differently in their swing due to any number of physical or mental limitations. 
 

Also as far as armlock being an advantage, it is only an advantage if you can do something NOBODY else can do. Anybody can use the armlock therefore it is not an advantage. I am sure Billy and others have tried armlock and decided on their OWN that the benefits did NOT outweigh the negatives. 
 

Play however you want with whatever equipment you want and abide by the rules for any tourney you enter. It isn’t that hard to understand or figure out. All your doing is coming off as whiny as a multimillionaire complaining that somebody putts better than him. 

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6 minutes ago, blackngold_blood said:

This is getting carried away. There is no proper technique to swing a club or putter. Everybody does things differently in their swing due to any number of physical or mental limitations. 
 

Also as far as armlock being an advantage, it is only an advantage if you can do something NOBODY else can do. Anybody can use the armlock therefore it is not an advantage. I am sure Billy and others have tried armlock and decided on their OWN that the benefits did NOT outweigh the negatives. 
 

Play however you want with whatever equipment you want and abide by the rules for any tourney you enter. It isn’t that hard to understand or figure out. All your doing is coming off as whiny as a multimillionaire complaining that somebody putts better than him. 

The USGA has ruled that anchoring a belly putter is an improper technique to swing a putter.

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6 minutes ago, LICC said:

The USGA has ruled that anchoring a belly putter is an improper technique to swing a putter.

Let’s just say I call it an illegal stroke not an improper technique. 

 

 

 

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