Mctwist937 Posted April 17, 2021 Share Posted April 17, 2021 If my driver spin is 3000-3500, how much distance am I losing? Should I get refit? Or is that close enough? I feel like 2000-2300 is where you want to be? 114 speed current driver is titleist 915 d2 8.5 Diamana white x flex Quote D - titleist 915 Diamana white X 70g 3W - titleist 915 Diamana white X 80g Taylormade DHY3 Diamana white 100g Mizuno JPX850 forged 4-pw - KBS tour 130x vokey sm5 50 f grind 08 bounce vokey sm5 54 m grind 08 bounce vokey sm5 58 k grind 12 bounce Scotty Cameron Newport 2 Prov1 Link to comment
FrogginBullfish Posted April 17, 2021 Share Posted April 17, 2021 3000-3500 is pretty high for driver spin at 114 mph swing speed. I assume you're hitting down with the driver to get that much spin with an 8.5° driver. A refitting would be a good idea, but it'd also be worth seeing how your spin changes hitting up on the ball. You might need a refit anyway changing from hitting down to hitting up, but you're definitely losing a considerable amount of distance with 3000-3500 spin at your club head speed. If my driver spin is 3000-3500, how much distance am I losing? Should I get refit? Or is that close enough? I feel like 2000-2300 is where you want to be? 114 speed current driver is titleist 915 d2 8.5 Diamana white x flexSent from my Pixel 2 using MyGolfSpy mobile app Quote DRIVER PXG 0811XF GEN4 (10.5°) FAIRWAY WOODS PXG 0341XF GEN4 (16°) HYBRIDS PXG 0317XF GEN4 (19°), PXG 0317X GEN4 (22°) IRONS PXG 0311T GEN3 (5 - 9) WEDGES TAYLORMADE MG3 (45°, 50°, 55° TW Grind, 60° TW Grind) PUTTER PXG BATTLE READY ONE & DONE Link to comment
cnosil Posted April 17, 2021 Share Posted April 17, 2021 39 minutes ago, Mctwist937 said: If my driver spin is 3000-3500, how much distance am I losing? Should I get refit? Or is that close enough? I feel like 2000-2300 is where you want to be? 114 speed current driver is titleist 915 d2 8.5 Diamana white x flex you can figure it out here: https://flightscope.com/products/trajectory-optimizer/ Shapotomous 1 Quote Driver: G400 Max 9* w/ KBS Tour Driven Fairway: TS3 15* w/Project X Hzardous Smoke Hybrids: 915H 21* w/KBS Tour Graphite Hybrid Prototype 915H 24* w/KBS Tour Graphite Hybrid Prototype Irons: TR20V 6-11 w/Vizard TR20-85 Graphite Wedge: 54/12D, 60/8M w/:Accra iWedge 90 Graphite Putter: TM-180 Testing: Backups: Milled Collection RSX 2, mFGP2, Futura 5W Member: MGS Hitsquad since 2017 Link to comment
Mctwist937 Posted April 18, 2021 Author Share Posted April 18, 2021 18 hours ago, FrogginBullfish said: 3000-3500 is pretty high for driver spin at 114 mph swing speed. I assume you're hitting down with the driver to get that much spin with an 8.5° driver. A refitting would be a good idea, but it'd also be worth seeing how your spin changes hitting up on the ball. You might need a refit anyway changing from hitting down to hitting up, but you're definitely losing a considerable amount of distance with 3000-3500 spin at your club head speed. Sent from my Pixel 2 using MyGolfSpy mobile app I actually was on trackman yesterday and I was also surprised it said up 2-3 degees. So confused. Missing on the heel side if anything but not extremely badly. Quote D - titleist 915 Diamana white X 70g 3W - titleist 915 Diamana white X 80g Taylormade DHY3 Diamana white 100g Mizuno JPX850 forged 4-pw - KBS tour 130x vokey sm5 50 f grind 08 bounce vokey sm5 54 m grind 08 bounce vokey sm5 58 k grind 12 bounce Scotty Cameron Newport 2 Prov1 Link to comment
null Posted April 18, 2021 Share Posted April 18, 2021 Was the fitting indoors? Trackman struggles with reading spin indoors. Every time the spin showed up in italics on the screen Trackman was estimating the spin and not reading the actual Spin Quote Link to comment
HeathS16 Posted April 18, 2021 Share Posted April 18, 2021 Was the fitting indoors? Trackman struggles with reading spin indoors. Every time the spin showed up in italics on the screen Trackman was estimating the spin and not reading the actual SpinThis is a thing. I’m usually around 2000-2200 with driver and indoors on track man I’m around 2900-3200 consistently. My swing speed is very comparable to the 114 mentioned by the OP Sent from my iPhone using MyGolfSpy Quote Driver: TSi3 Tester Check out the Review HERE 2-Iron- 699-U 5-Wood: Pro (18*) Irons : i210 4-PW Wedges: RTX-4 50* and 54* RTX-3 *58 Putter: Impact No. 3 Ball: MAXFLI TOUR Tracked by: Bag: BagBoy ZTF Stand Bag (REVIEW HERE) Link to comment
FrogginBullfish Posted April 18, 2021 Share Posted April 18, 2021 That's strange. Are you catching it low on the face too?As others have mentioned, it could be an issue with Trackman indoors. If you can get on Trackman outdoors or on a GC Quad indoors, might be a good idea to get a more accurate picture of your spin rate.3000-3500 spin at 2-3° up doesn't really make much sense, especially with an 8.5° driver so I don't think you're getting accurate spin numbers unfortunately. I actually was on trackman yesterday and I was also surprised it said up 2-3 degees. So confused. Missing on the heel side if anything but not extremely badly. Sent from my Pixel 2 using MyGolfSpy mobile app Quote DRIVER PXG 0811XF GEN4 (10.5°) FAIRWAY WOODS PXG 0341XF GEN4 (16°) HYBRIDS PXG 0317XF GEN4 (19°), PXG 0317X GEN4 (22°) IRONS PXG 0311T GEN3 (5 - 9) WEDGES TAYLORMADE MG3 (45°, 50°, 55° TW Grind, 60° TW Grind) PUTTER PXG BATTLE READY ONE & DONE Link to comment
KC Golf Posted April 19, 2021 Share Posted April 19, 2021 Thank you for the Trackman indoors comments. I have had higher spin numbers for my driver with a 2-3° attack angle indoors with a Trackman. I will try it outside with the warmer weather. Quote TSR 3 9.0 GD Tour AD - DI 6S Stiff TSi 3 15.0 GD Tour AD - DI 6S Stiff TS3 21 Hybrid Tensei AV Blue 65 HY Stiff U-510 19 Utility Iron HZDUS Smoke Black 6.0 Stiff 5-PW 101T Irons - KBS Tour Lite Stiff - Official Tester 2023 Vokey SM9 52 F - 12 Nippon NS Pro 950 Stiff Vokey Forged 56 M - 10 DG S200 MG3 60 - 12 NS Modus3 Tour 105 Stiff Scotty Special Select - Squareback 2 - 35” / Super Stroke Slim 3.0 Z-Star Diamond Players 4 bag Official Tester - 2021 & Loyal MCC Plus 4 Sensor User Link to comment
Mctwist937 Posted April 19, 2021 Author Share Posted April 19, 2021 20 hours ago, FrogginBullfish said: That's strange. Are you catching it low on the face too? As others have mentioned, it could be an issue with Trackman indoors. If you can get on Trackman outdoors or on a GC Quad indoors, might be a good idea to get a more accurate picture of your spin rate. 3000-3500 spin at 2-3° up doesn't really make much sense, especially with an 8.5° driver so I don't think you're getting accurate spin numbers unfortunately. Sent from my Pixel 2 using MyGolfSpy mobile app I have attached some average numbers from the session Incase that offers any more clarity. I would say not hitting low on face. Mid height middle to heel side. Quote D - titleist 915 Diamana white X 70g 3W - titleist 915 Diamana white X 80g Taylormade DHY3 Diamana white 100g Mizuno JPX850 forged 4-pw - KBS tour 130x vokey sm5 50 f grind 08 bounce vokey sm5 54 m grind 08 bounce vokey sm5 58 k grind 12 bounce Scotty Cameron Newport 2 Prov1 Link to comment
RollingGreens Posted April 19, 2021 Share Posted April 19, 2021 @Mctwist937 what is your shot shape? Did you take a look at the side spin? Wondering if you are losing distance because of the ball spinning too much? what golf ball are you using? Ball speed for 114mph as seems a bit low. Could also indicate off center strikes Quote Stealth 2 Plus 9deg Kai' li Red Stealth 2 13deg Aldilla Rogue Silver Stealth 2 15deg Aldilla Rogue Silver JPX 921 Hot Metal 4-PW Nippon Modus 120s SM8 54 and 58deg Dynamic Gold Wedge Flex Scotty Cameron Newport 2 Titleist ProV1 Hoofer Stand Bag Stewart Q Follow Electric Caddie 300 PRO Rangefinder Official Nippon Regio B+ Driver Shaft Review Official Stewart Q Follow Review Link to comment
cnosil Posted April 19, 2021 Share Posted April 19, 2021 I have attached some average numbers from the session Incase that offers any more clarity. I would say not hitting low on face. Mid height middle to heel side. My uneducated opinion. For your ball speed and launch angle you should be getting more distance. Spin is about 1000 too high based on charts. your driver is the forgiving model so more spin. Nitpicking, I’d look at path; 7.6 in to out is pretty extreme especially if it is an average. Probably want to be closer to 3. Guessing you have a hard draw and snap hooks. If you did this you’d probably also launch higher which isn’t what you want. Would also look at drivers with more weight forward. You said middle UTI middle heel ball contact; probably want a little higher and slightly toe. In summary my thoughts are that there are probably drivers that might get you better spin numbers. edingc 1 Quote Driver: G400 Max 9* w/ KBS Tour Driven Fairway: TS3 15* w/Project X Hzardous Smoke Hybrids: 915H 21* w/KBS Tour Graphite Hybrid Prototype 915H 24* w/KBS Tour Graphite Hybrid Prototype Irons: TR20V 6-11 w/Vizard TR20-85 Graphite Wedge: 54/12D, 60/8M w/:Accra iWedge 90 Graphite Putter: TM-180 Testing: Backups: Milled Collection RSX 2, mFGP2, Futura 5W Member: MGS Hitsquad since 2017 Link to comment
FrogginBullfish Posted April 19, 2021 Share Posted April 19, 2021 I have attached some average numbers from the session Incase that offers any more clarity. I would say not hitting low on face. Mid height middle to heel side. Yeah, I'd say nearly 3300 spin is definitely costing you at least 10 yards of carry at 163 mph ball speed. I may be wrong but I believe the 915 series of Titleist drivers were very high spinning compared to their competitors, so that's not helping you very much for distance. The ball you play may also be factoring as well, but it's likely your driver that's a big issue. Your launch is pretty good for your ball speed but the spin is definitely too high. I think from a more optimal perspective, at 163 ball speed, 2300 to 2500 spin is probably where you want to be, so a new driver fitting might be your best bet. And maybe a few lessons to rein your path in. 7° in to out is pretty on the extreme side.Sent from my Pixel 2 using MyGolfSpy mobile app Quote DRIVER PXG 0811XF GEN4 (10.5°) FAIRWAY WOODS PXG 0341XF GEN4 (16°) HYBRIDS PXG 0317XF GEN4 (19°), PXG 0317X GEN4 (22°) IRONS PXG 0311T GEN3 (5 - 9) WEDGES TAYLORMADE MG3 (45°, 50°, 55° TW Grind, 60° TW Grind) PUTTER PXG BATTLE READY ONE & DONE Link to comment
THEZIPR23 Posted April 19, 2021 Share Posted April 19, 2021 More than likely it is face contact. Do you know for sure where you are hitting it? At 114 your ball speed should be closer to 170. Quote Stealth 2+ 9 (Diamana PD 60 S 45") Stealth 2+ 15 (Diamana PD 70 S 43") G425 19 (Raijin 2.0 85x) G425 22 (Raijin 2.0 85x) ZX7 5-9 (KBS C Taper S) Vokey SM9 45 10 F (KBS 610) Vokey SM9 49 08 F (KBS 610) Vokey SM9 55 08 M (KBS 610) Vokey SM9 59 04 T (KBS 610) Spider GT Splitback 34" ProV1 #23 Twitter @THEZIPR23 "One thing Golf has taught me, is that my muscles have no memory." Link to comment
Vegan_Golfer_PNW Posted April 21, 2021 Share Posted April 21, 2021 On 4/19/2021 at 11:36 AM, Mctwist937 said: I have attached some average numbers from the session Incase that offers any more clarity. I would say not hitting low on face. Mid height middle to heel side. If I am reading this right, you are 3 deg closed to your path. Do you struggle with a power fade or slice? Fix your face angle relative to path might help a lot Quote Follow my journey to enjoying golf and going low Driver: Epic Max LS Ventus Black 6x 44.5" 3wHL: Rogue ST LS 75x Tensei AV Blue w/ xlink 7w: Apex UW 21* MMT 80S DI: Caley 01X 18* with KBS PGH Stiff plus 95g 4-AW: 0211 with KBS Tour Stiff 2.5* up 3/4" long, Soft stepped, MOI matched Wedges Zipcore Putter: L.A.B. Directed Force 2.1 69*/35" in blue Ball: TBD Shot Tracking: Bag: Vessel VLX 2.0 Grip: Lamkin Sonar + Midsize My Reviews: Caley 01X Driving Iron Review 2023 Max Swing Speed Training and Speed Progress: Current Speed 120 in the MGS Speed Challenge (updated 3/15/23) TAIII #2 Review here: TAIII Impact #2 Putter ) Zipcore Tour Rack 54/full and 58/mid (review here) 0211 2019 Unofficial Review Link to comment
FrogginBullfish Posted April 21, 2021 Share Posted April 21, 2021 His face is 2.5° closed to a 7° in to out path. That's a recipe for slinging draws/rope hooks. If I am reading this right, you are 3 deg closed to your path. Do you struggle with a power fade or slice? Fix your face angle relative to path might help a lotSent from my Pixel 2 using MyGolfSpy mobile app RickyBobby_PR and Vegan_Golfer_PNW 2 Quote DRIVER PXG 0811XF GEN4 (10.5°) FAIRWAY WOODS PXG 0341XF GEN4 (16°) HYBRIDS PXG 0317XF GEN4 (19°), PXG 0317X GEN4 (22°) IRONS PXG 0311T GEN3 (5 - 9) WEDGES TAYLORMADE MG3 (45°, 50°, 55° TW Grind, 60° TW Grind) PUTTER PXG BATTLE READY ONE & DONE Link to comment
cnosil Posted April 21, 2021 Share Posted April 21, 2021 If I am reading this right, you are 3 deg closed to your path. Do you struggle with a power fade or slice? Fix your face angle relative to path might help a lotYou are reading correct but the ball will hook and not slice. Face is pointing right which will start the ball to the right of target line. Since face is closed to the path it will bring the ball back to the left. There could be other influences but that is basically how the ball flight laws work. Vegan_Golfer_PNW and RickyBobby_PR 2 Quote Driver: G400 Max 9* w/ KBS Tour Driven Fairway: TS3 15* w/Project X Hzardous Smoke Hybrids: 915H 21* w/KBS Tour Graphite Hybrid Prototype 915H 24* w/KBS Tour Graphite Hybrid Prototype Irons: TR20V 6-11 w/Vizard TR20-85 Graphite Wedge: 54/12D, 60/8M w/:Accra iWedge 90 Graphite Putter: TM-180 Testing: Backups: Milled Collection RSX 2, mFGP2, Futura 5W Member: MGS Hitsquad since 2017 Link to comment
Vegan_Golfer_PNW Posted April 21, 2021 Share Posted April 21, 2021 8 minutes ago, FrogginBullfish said: His face is 2.5° closed to a 7° in to out path. That's a recipe for slinging draws/rope hooks. Sent from my Pixel 2 using MyGolfSpy mobile app 1 minute ago, cnosil said: You are reading correct but the ball will hook and not slice. Face is pointing right which will start the ball to the right of target line. Since face is closed to the path it will bring the ball back to the left. There could be other influences but that is basically how the ball flight laws work. thank you both for the clarification. cnosil and FrogginBullfish 2 Quote Follow my journey to enjoying golf and going low Driver: Epic Max LS Ventus Black 6x 44.5" 3wHL: Rogue ST LS 75x Tensei AV Blue w/ xlink 7w: Apex UW 21* MMT 80S DI: Caley 01X 18* with KBS PGH Stiff plus 95g 4-AW: 0211 with KBS Tour Stiff 2.5* up 3/4" long, Soft stepped, MOI matched Wedges Zipcore Putter: L.A.B. Directed Force 2.1 69*/35" in blue Ball: TBD Shot Tracking: Bag: Vessel VLX 2.0 Grip: Lamkin Sonar + Midsize My Reviews: Caley 01X Driving Iron Review 2023 Max Swing Speed Training and Speed Progress: Current Speed 120 in the MGS Speed Challenge (updated 3/15/23) TAIII #2 Review here: TAIII Impact #2 Putter ) Zipcore Tour Rack 54/full and 58/mid (review here) 0211 2019 Unofficial Review Link to comment
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