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There’s no general answer, it depends on each hole and each player. I keep detailed stats on every round.

On my regular course there’s one short par four with a very narrow fairway and serious trouble on both sides - deep rough uphill lie and lost ball left. I tee off with a 4i. There’s another par 4 with serious trouble right and left at my driver distance and I was hitting the fairway 33% of the time. So now I hit 4i or 2h and though it leaves me a long iron approach, I’m scoring better.

But I don’t usually take a 3W over my driver otherwise as a shorter approach is always an advantage IME. Even if I hit a couple more fairways with my 3W, I’d rather have shorter approach/second shots on 14 holes than 20-30 yards further out on 14 holes even if a couple (more) were in the rough. 

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I only use my driver on par 5's, My good to club off the tee is my 3 wood.  I can control it more and it set me up perfectly for my second shots.  

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I only use my driver on par 5's, My good to club off the tee is my 3 wood.  I can control it more and it set me up perfectly for my second shots.  

Do you have evidence to show you control it better? What does control it better mean? That was kind of the point of the article, people believe they hit the club better but when measured they don’t.
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15 hours ago, CarlH said:

Off the deck in the fairway, I stripe my 3 wood.  But, if I tee it up on the tee box for a safer shot than my driver, I invariably slice it, duck hook it, top it, or otherwise screw it up.  😄 

You and my wife have a lot to talk about!!  😂

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It's driver on every par 4 and 5 for me, and sometimes on one par 3 if the wind is blowing.  The driver is just as accurate off the tee as any other long club in my bag, so there is no reason I should hit anything else unless there is an obstacle to negotiate.  Of course, I can mishit my driver, but I do that with other clubs as well; that's not a reason to hit less than driver.  

Our course has a drivable par 4 (for the big hitters) but not for me; narrow fairway with hazard and bunker all down the right side to, and in front of, the green; rough, uneven lies and OB on the left.  I could hit a mid-iron then PW or 9i, but driver gets me to a partial LW distance; my favorite club.

I will say if you are young, it's better to swing fast; straighten it out later.  As you get older when you likely hit the ball straighter, it's much more difficult to add more speed.  

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I haven’t seen it mentioned yet but it needs to be that there is far more tech in drivers than fairway woods, larger head, more space for tech.


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1 hour ago, revkev said:

I haven’t seen it mentioned yet but it needs to be that there is far more tech in drivers than fairway woods, larger head, more space for tech.


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True but I think that is slowly going to change. We are starting to see it with Callaway using AI and jailbreak. I think the fairway woods are the club to watch to see what tech can do. Moveable weights have been around in the for a few years now. 

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Unless I'm playing in some type of stroke play tournament, I almost always hit driver, unless driver may reach water, or other hazard. Also, I've played so long without a fairway wood, until recently, I would rather choke down, half swing a driver than a full 3W. I pull hook both, and would rather pull hook 30 yards further with a driver.

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As @cnosil alluded to in an earlier post, the main issue in this debate is that (on average) golfers are not appreciably and measurably better and more accurate with the 3 wood than they are driver.  Scott Fawcett often references this statistic when addressing this question:  the "average" PGA Tour player is only 7% more accurate off the tee with 3 wood over driver, yet the yardage sacrificed can be 30-40 yards...3 clubs at least!  And that's PGA Tour players!  At the end of the day it's just a bad trade that you shouldn't make unless you find those rare circumstances where the 3 wood takes a hazard out of play that would be in play with driver.  (Yes, I've been a DECADE member for just a week and I am absolutely drinking the Kool-Aid...) 

Maybe an amateur with a poorly fit driver and a well fit 3 wood would disprove that theory, but in that case the answer is to get fit properly into driver and start hitting it.  

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(Yes, I've been a DECADE member for just a week and I am absolutely drinking the Kool-Aid...) 


Good or bad, it and my coaches approach have completely my perspective on how to play the game from the tee. The Decade program has also changed how I watch golf and understanding the total BS that is said by many golf announcers. Hope you enjoy the Kool-aid!
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2 minutes ago, cnosil said:

 


Good or bad, it and my coaches approach have completely my perspective on how to play the game from the tee. The Decade program has also changed how I watch golf and understanding the total BS that is said by many golf announcers. Hope you enjoy the Kool-aid!

 

Yeah, weather hasn't cooperated to date but I'm likely to get 2 possibly 3 rounds in next week and I'm very excited to take it to the course, not only from a course management perspective but the mental coaching inherent in the system.  I'm only on Foundations so I've only got Month 1 access so far, not the whole system, but I can't see how it doesn't help me either play better, enjoy myself more, or likely both.  First round I'll play next week is on a VERY tight tree-lined course, so we'll see.  (And I'm with you on the announcer BS.  Zinger in particular seems to be consistently full of sh!t.  Well intentioned, but full of it.)

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How many more fairways are you hitting?  If its only one or two more, you're probably giving up strokes.


Easily 3-5 more fairways and eliminating at least 1-2 penalty strokes


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4 minutes ago, TBT said:

Easily 3-5 more fairways and eliminating at least 1-2 penalty strokes

Then its a good choice, for the moment.  It may also be a pretty strong indication that you need to improve your driver play.

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Then its a good choice, for the moment.  It may also be a pretty strong indication that you need to improve your driver play.



Easily 3-5 more fairways and eliminating at least 1-2 penalty strokes


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I agree with@DaveP043
The returns on clubbing down are diminishing; I cut 6 penalty stokes per round by not hitting driver, but getting a properly fitted driver and some lessons dropped the handicap permanently, and without the distance sacrifice. On top of that, when I was a 14 handicap I’d hit the 3 wood off the planet occasionally as well, so I was teeing off with my 4 iron, giving up 50+ yards on most holes. I don’t even want to think about how many strokes I was giving up from a strokes gained perspective


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