Brian A Posted April 20, 2021 Share Posted April 20, 2021 So I have a bad slice, went to where I purchased my driver to try to get it more dialed in. It’s the TSi3, I had it set on A3, thinking that was the best correction for a slice. The gentleman at the store adjusted it to B4, the monitor said I was hitting it straighter on the sim. So can someone help me interpret what the best setting for a slice is. Their chart is here https://www.titleist.com/fitting/golf-club-fitting/surefit Quote Driver: G425 9* Hzrdus Smoke Green Small batch 6.5 70g Fairway Wood: Cobra Radspeed Big 3 Hzrdus Smoke Black 6.5 Hybrid: Cobra Aerojet 5 Wood Hzrdus Smoke Black 6.5 Irons: T200 (4-AW) AMT Black Stiff Shafts Wedges: Tour Rack 56* 60* Putter: Scotty Cameron Golo 5 Right Handed Pittsburgh, PA Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
null Posted April 20, 2021 Share Posted April 20, 2021 The chart is pretty straightforward. It tells you what the most draw setting is with A3. Lofting up as in B4 closes the face a little which helps with a slice but the flatter lie angle could potentially move your start line further right. So more loft closing the face and a flatter lie angle could potentially mitigate a pull-slice Did you ask the fitter why he chose B3? You really need to communicate and ask questions to the salesperson or fitter helping you so you can understand why they’re making certain adjustments. RickyBobby_PR, RollingGreens, Rickp and 3 others 6 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brian A Posted April 20, 2021 Author Share Posted April 20, 2021 3 minutes ago, jlukes said: The chart is pretty straightforward. It tells you what the most draw setting is with A3. Lofting up as in B4 closes the face a little which helps with a slice but the flatter lie angle could potentially move your start line further right. So more loft closing the face and a flatter lie angle could potentially mitigate a pull-slice Did you ask the fitter why he chose B3? You really need to communicate and ask questions to the salesperson or fitter helping you so you can understand why they’re making certain adjustments. I did and he said because it closes the face 2 degrees, which made sense but I didn’t see the degrees closing on the site Quote Driver: G425 9* Hzrdus Smoke Green Small batch 6.5 70g Fairway Wood: Cobra Radspeed Big 3 Hzrdus Smoke Black 6.5 Hybrid: Cobra Aerojet 5 Wood Hzrdus Smoke Black 6.5 Irons: T200 (4-AW) AMT Black Stiff Shafts Wedges: Tour Rack 56* 60* Putter: Scotty Cameron Golo 5 Right Handed Pittsburgh, PA Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
null Posted April 20, 2021 Share Posted April 20, 2021 5 minutes ago, Brian A said: I did and he said because it closes the face 2 degrees, which made sense but I didn’t see the degrees closing on the site For some reason OEMs don’t like to advertise how lowering and raising loft changes face angle. General rule of thumb to remember is going down in loft opens the face and going up in loft closes the face. Did he say why he put you in the flat setting? TR1PTIK, RickyBobby_PR, MattF and 1 other 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brian A Posted April 20, 2021 Author Share Posted April 20, 2021 Just now, jlukes said: For some reason OEMs don’t like to advertise how lowering and raising loft changes face angle. General rule of thumb to remember is going down in loft opens the face and going up in loft closes the face. Did he say why he put you in the flat setting? He did not mention the flatter part. I just thought I knew the chart and why I question it here because I know this group knows a lot more Quote Driver: G425 9* Hzrdus Smoke Green Small batch 6.5 70g Fairway Wood: Cobra Radspeed Big 3 Hzrdus Smoke Black 6.5 Hybrid: Cobra Aerojet 5 Wood Hzrdus Smoke Black 6.5 Irons: T200 (4-AW) AMT Black Stiff Shafts Wedges: Tour Rack 56* 60* Putter: Scotty Cameron Golo 5 Right Handed Pittsburgh, PA Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DiscipleofPenick Posted April 21, 2021 Share Posted April 21, 2021 My miss is a hook, and I hit big draws. When I was fit for my Titleist, I was also set to B4. Interesting that this can be a fix for both slice and hook.Take Dead Aim Brian A 1 Quote Take Dead Aim Driver: PXG 0211 10.5* Fairway: Titleist 917 F3 15* Hybrid: Adams Idea Pro Boxer Gold 18* Irons: MacGregor MT-86 Pro Wedges: Vokey 50/54/58 Putter: SeeMore X2 Costa del Mar Ball: Srixon Z-Star Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RollingGreens Posted April 21, 2021 Share Posted April 21, 2021 I've heard, lowering loft increased spin which wouldn't be helpful for a slice. I'm currently playing B2 with an overpronated L hand helping to correct my slice Brian A 1 Quote Stealth 2 Plus 9deg Kai' li Red Stealth 2 13deg Aldilla Rogue Silver Stealth 2 15deg Aldilla Rogue Silver JPX 921 Hot Metal 4-PW Nippon Modus 120s SM8 54 and 58deg Dynamic Gold Wedge Flex Scotty Cameron Newport 2 Titleist ProV1 Hoofer Stand Bag Stewart Q Follow Electric Caddie 300 PRO Rangefinder Official Nippon Regio B+ Driver Shaft Review Official Stewart Q Follow Review Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Micah T Posted April 21, 2021 Share Posted April 21, 2021 @Brian A which is your ball flight? Sent from my iPhone using MyGolfSpy Quigleyd, TR1PTIK and Brinkie 3 Quote Driver - Cobra LtDxLS 3 Wood - Ping g410 LST 2iron - Titleist U505 Irons - Ping i59 Wedges - Vokey Sm9 Putter - Mizuno Mcraft IV Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brian A Posted April 21, 2021 Author Share Posted April 21, 2021 9 hours ago, Micah T said: @Brian A which is your ball flight? Sent from my iPhone using MyGolfSpy A combo of C and F. C if it’s good, F but starts out straighter then turns right a lot harder. I know I have an outside in swing path Micah T 1 Quote Driver: G425 9* Hzrdus Smoke Green Small batch 6.5 70g Fairway Wood: Cobra Radspeed Big 3 Hzrdus Smoke Black 6.5 Hybrid: Cobra Aerojet 5 Wood Hzrdus Smoke Black 6.5 Irons: T200 (4-AW) AMT Black Stiff Shafts Wedges: Tour Rack 56* 60* Putter: Scotty Cameron Golo 5 Right Handed Pittsburgh, PA Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Micah T Posted April 21, 2021 Share Posted April 21, 2021 So my stock swing is B; I used to hit a lot of dead-left pulls. De-lofting my driver opened the face, and made my pull(shape B ) into more of a C shape, a pull-cut/fade. Learning as much as I can about my swing has helped. For me, I have a path issue; it just tends to be about 4-6 degrees left. Combined with my odd ability to make the face match the path no matter what direction I swing, lessons/practice are the real solution for me, not equipment tinkering. So I practice straightening my path and game my driver with the face open to keep it playable. If you have access to a launch monitor I would try a few different settings and see which gives you a repeatable shape, and definitely try those settings outside as well.Sent from my iPhone using MyGolfSpy GregB135 1 Quote Driver - Cobra LtDxLS 3 Wood - Ping g410 LST 2iron - Titleist U505 Irons - Ping i59 Wedges - Vokey Sm9 Putter - Mizuno Mcraft IV Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TBT Posted April 21, 2021 Share Posted April 21, 2021 I’m not sure why he would put you in the flatter option to correct a slice, I tend to hook the ball and I’m in the flat profile to open the face slightly while increasing the loft since I tend to hit my driver very low.Have you gone out and hit it since he made the adjustments?If your ball flight was more of a pull slice then a closed club face could make that even worse...maybe he opened it up slightly to give you more of a controllable fade.Sent from my iPad using MyGolfSpy Quote XR Driver Matrix Ozik 8m3 Black Tie Shaft King F7 3W UST Mamiya Chrome Elements 7F4 Shaft King F7 5W UST Mamiya Chrome Elements 7F4 Shaft King F7 4 Hybrid Graphite Designs Tour AD-HY 95 Shaft PXG 0211 DC 5-PW Mitsubishi MMT 80 Shafts RTX ZIPCORE 50*,54*,58* UST Mamiya Recoil 95 Shafts Metal X Milled #7 with SuperStroke 2.0 grip MTB Twitter: @timldotson Instagram: timldotson Facebook: TimDotson Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PankaGolf Posted April 21, 2021 Share Posted April 21, 2021 Driver settings won’t fix a slice. Lessons and understanding why will. yours kindly a former slicer. GregB135 1 Quote "C'mon be good" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
charles M Mecca Posted April 21, 2021 Share Posted April 21, 2021 Leave the setting at B2 and move the ball forward in your setup and see if you can get a fade. May have to move it more than you may like, Don,t let your right shoulder close. But then again you may have already done that. Quote Taylormade driver Sldr stiff D9+ custom shaft SST pure 3,4,5, Tour Edge hyb reg. 60 gram. Mzunio 921 fourged 5-G D2 5.5 flex Titleist wedges 54 58 D5 Nippon SST pure Evnroll putter first in April to Sept. Clear ball the original. second Prov 1 off season Vice tour plus Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brinkie Posted April 21, 2021 Share Posted April 21, 2021 44 minutes ago, PankaGolf said: Driver settings won’t fix a slice. Lessons and understanding why will. yours kindly a former slicer. I agree with Pankagolf....a swing path slice can't properly be eliminated with club adjustments. If it was an open club face at impact then you can adjust that out. Look up some drills on swing plane. It helped me a bunch, I went from an over the top fader/slicer 5yrs ago to barely being able to hit a fade when I try to now. Quote Golf without a cigar has not been a good use of time. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BigGuy Posted April 21, 2021 Share Posted April 21, 2021 Hi Brian, I agree with PanGolf. I personally play the Titleist driver since they have the surefit system. Best thing to do for you is to try to correct your swing path toward an inside out one and draw the ball or correct your slice (D path explained before). Concerning you setting, one thing sure is that if your flight is at a correct height at neutral adjustment (A1), you would be better to put at A2 instead of A3 to try to correct the slice, since increasing the loft increase the spin, so increase your slice. If you don't correct your swing path, your best bet is to go with a draw biais driver like the Ping SFT or the TaylorMade Sim Max D that are really effective. I hope that this will help you. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
funkyjudge Posted April 21, 2021 Share Posted April 21, 2021 Unless you have a very flat swing plane, the A3 setting that you had your adapter set at SHOULD have resulted in more of a right-to-left (or center-to-left) shot pattern than the B4 setting. This is due to the significantly more-upright lie angle that the A3 setting will give you. Your results with it set to B4 are more than a bit baffling to me (I am a Professional Clubfitter, with more than 32 years experience) Quote DR - Callaway Paradym X, Newton Motion 4-Dot 4W - T.E. Exotics C722, Diamana D+ 82-S HYB - Paradym X 18*, HZRDUS Smoke Red 80S; Sub 70 949X 21*, same shaft 7W (if played) - Callaway Epic Flash, ACCRA Tour X 80S Irons - Cobra Forged Tec X (5-GW), KBS TGI 75-R Wedges - Edison 2.0, 53* and 57* (bent to 58*), KBS TGI 100 Putter - Makefield VS custom, 34", 67* lie, 1.75* loft Ball - Maxfli Tour-X CG (2023) or Vice Pro Plus (OnCore ELIXR or Maxfli Tour S in winter) Bags - Vessel Cart - MotoCaddy M7 Remote (without the remote) Spoiler driver / off the tee is no longer a weakness for me! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
resq2143 Posted April 21, 2021 Share Posted April 21, 2021 Great discussion on both the settings and effect of making loft and lie changes to woods. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brian A Posted April 21, 2021 Author Share Posted April 21, 2021 Agree with everyone on lessons. I’ve gone to Golftec for lessons and planning on going again. Just still not good. 3 hours ago, funkyjudge said: Unless you have a very flat swing plane, the A3 setting that you had your adapter set at SHOULD have resulted in more of a right-to-left (or center-to-left) shot pattern than the B4 setting. This is due to the significantly more-upright lie angle that the A3 setting will give you. Your results with it set to B4 are more than a bit baffling to me (I am a Professional Clubfitter, with more than 32 years experience) This is why I lm here because I was confused. also I have steep attack angle if that matters Quote Driver: G425 9* Hzrdus Smoke Green Small batch 6.5 70g Fairway Wood: Cobra Radspeed Big 3 Hzrdus Smoke Black 6.5 Hybrid: Cobra Aerojet 5 Wood Hzrdus Smoke Black 6.5 Irons: T200 (4-AW) AMT Black Stiff Shafts Wedges: Tour Rack 56* 60* Putter: Scotty Cameron Golo 5 Right Handed Pittsburgh, PA Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Micah T Posted April 22, 2021 Share Posted April 22, 2021 Agree with everyone on lessons. I’ve gone to Golftec for lessons and planning on going again. Just still not good. This is why I lm here because I was confused. also I have steep attack angle if that mattersIt definitely does; spin loft number is one to pay attention to. You hitting down on the ball with a driver is creating more spin, which isn’t helping your slice.Sent from my iPhone using MyGolfSpy Quote Driver - Cobra LtDxLS 3 Wood - Ping g410 LST 2iron - Titleist U505 Irons - Ping i59 Wedges - Vokey Sm9 Putter - Mizuno Mcraft IV Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brian A Posted April 22, 2021 Author Share Posted April 22, 2021 21 minutes ago, Micah T said: It definitely does; spin loft number is one to pay attention to. You hitting down on the ball with a driver is creating more spin, which isn’t helping your slice. Sent from my iPhone using MyGolfSpy The gentleman fitting me said I was getting 7 iron spin numbers with driver Quote Driver: G425 9* Hzrdus Smoke Green Small batch 6.5 70g Fairway Wood: Cobra Radspeed Big 3 Hzrdus Smoke Black 6.5 Hybrid: Cobra Aerojet 5 Wood Hzrdus Smoke Black 6.5 Irons: T200 (4-AW) AMT Black Stiff Shafts Wedges: Tour Rack 56* 60* Putter: Scotty Cameron Golo 5 Right Handed Pittsburgh, PA Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cnosil Posted April 22, 2021 Share Posted April 22, 2021 People react differently to how clubs are setup. There areMultiple settings on the club that you are asking about. Whether it seems right or not, were the results better with the fitter suggested settings? The purpose of that setting was to get you better results with how you currently swing the club. As others have mentioned if you have a big slice not setting will turn that into a straight flight or draw. The only “real” way to fix a slice is to change the club path and face angle. Those setting won’t impact backspin either. To fix that problem you need to alter thinks like angle of attack and dynamic loft. Kenny B, TR1PTIK, Micah T and 2 others 5 Quote Driver: G400 Max 9* w/ KBS Tour Driven Fairway: TS3 15* w/Project X Hzardous Smoke Hybrids: 915H 21* w/KBS Tour Graphite Hybrid Prototype 915H 24* w/KBS Tour Graphite Hybrid Prototype Irons: TR20V 6-11 w/Vizard TR20-85 Graphite Wedge: 54/12D, 60/8M w/:Accra iWedge 90 Graphite Putter: TM-180 Testing: Backups: Milled Collection RSX 2, mFGP2, Futura 5W Member: MGS Hitsquad since 2017 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dlow206 Posted April 22, 2021 Share Posted April 22, 2021 On 4/20/2021 at 4:47 PM, jlukes said: For some reason OEMs don’t like to advertise how lowering and raising loft changes face angle. General rule of thumb to remember is going down in loft opens the face and going up in loft closes the face. Did he say why he put you in the flat setting? My understanding based on watching something from Tom Wishon is that there is some nuance about the loft change and the face angle with adjustable adapters. When changing the loft on the adapter, it does literally close the face angle, but does not actually change the loft, unless the player soles the driver and rotates the face to square at setup. The rotating to square at setup is what then changes the loft of the club. If you just sole the driver as it wants to lie at setup, then you do have a closed face due to the adapter change, but no change in loft. MattF and cnosil 2 Quote Follow my golf journey to break into the 80s Tester for the Titleist TSi Driver Spring 2020 MGS Tester for the Fujikura Motore X Shaft Updated 07/15/2022 Driver: Rogue St Max LS - Autoflex Fairway Woods: Rogue Max St 3HL and 7 Wood Irons: JPX 921 Hot Metal 5 to AW - Aerotech Steelfiber i95 Stiff parallel tip Wedges: Glide 4.0 54 and 58 Putter: PLD Custom Kushin 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RickyBobby_PR Posted April 22, 2021 Share Posted April 22, 2021 14 minutes ago, cnosil said: People react differently to how clubs are setup. There are Multiple settings on the club that you are asking about. Whether it seems right or not, were the results better with the fitter suggested settings Yup. When I did a titleist Thursday for the 917 driver after we got everything dialed in and finalized the fitter asked me if he could make some tweaks to get data and see how certain changes affect a golfer. I don’t recall the setting he put it on initially gave it to me and asked me not to look at the setting. He was watching me swing and the way the club sat without me realizing it caused me to change my swing to get my desired result. The numbers he said were terrible and I could see in the ball flight it wasn’t anything I could live with on the course MattF, TR1PTIK and cnosil 3 Quote Driver: PXG 0811 X+ Proto w/UST Helium 5F4 Wood: TaylorMade M5 5W w/Accra TZ5 +1/2”, TaylorMade Sim 3W w/Aldila rogue white Hybrid: PXG Gen2 22* w/AD hybrid Irons: PXG Gen3 0311T w/Nippon modus 120 Wedges: TaylorMade MG2 50*, Tiger grind 56/60 Putter: Scotty Caemeron Super Rat1 Ball: Titleist Prov1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
null Posted April 22, 2021 Share Posted April 22, 2021 1 hour ago, dlow206 said: My understanding based on watching something from Tom Wishon is that there is some nuance about the loft change and the face angle with adjustable adapters. When changing the loft on the adapter, it does literally close the face angle, but does not actually change the loft, unless the player soles the driver and rotates the face to square at setup. The rotating to square at setup is what then changes the loft of the club. If you just sole the driver as it wants to lie at setup, then you do have a closed face due to the adapter change, but no change in loft. Correct. TR1PTIK 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
funkyjudge Posted April 22, 2021 Share Posted April 22, 2021 37 minutes ago, RickyBobby_PR said: Can you provide examples of a shaft designed specifically for woods. All the woods shafts I know are the same as the driver shaft they just are tipped generally 1/2” then butt trimmed for length. Accra has always made shafts that are specifically designed for use in fairway woods, and Pederson does this as well. Besides being at least 2" shorter than their driver shafts (43" to 44" vs. 46" for the corresponding driver shaft), these fairway shafts weigh 10 to 15 grams more and they generally have a softer tip section to promote higher launch. Aerotech also has a line of .335" tip SteelFiber shafts designed specifically for use in fairway woods. Quote DR - Callaway Paradym X, Newton Motion 4-Dot 4W - T.E. Exotics C722, Diamana D+ 82-S HYB - Paradym X 18*, HZRDUS Smoke Red 80S; Sub 70 949X 21*, same shaft 7W (if played) - Callaway Epic Flash, ACCRA Tour X 80S Irons - Cobra Forged Tec X (5-GW), KBS TGI 75-R Wedges - Edison 2.0, 53* and 57* (bent to 58*), KBS TGI 100 Putter - Makefield VS custom, 34", 67* lie, 1.75* loft Ball - Maxfli Tour-X CG (2023) or Vice Pro Plus (OnCore ELIXR or Maxfli Tour S in winter) Bags - Vessel Cart - MotoCaddy M7 Remote (without the remote) Spoiler driver / off the tee is no longer a weakness for me! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RickyBobby_PR Posted April 22, 2021 Share Posted April 22, 2021 1 hour ago, funkyjudge said: Accra has always made shafts that are specifically designed for use in fairway woods, and Pederson does this as well. Besides being at least 2" shorter than their driver shafts (43" to 44" vs. 46" for the corresponding driver shaft), these fairway shafts weigh 10 to 15 grams more and they generally have a softer tip section to promote higher launch. Aerotech also has a line of .335" tip SteelFiber shafts designed specifically for use in fairway woods. Which shafts from Accra are designed specifically for fairway woods. I thought I was pretty familiar with Accra and don’t ever recall seeing them have a shaft only for fairways. I do recall something about the aerotech but I’m not a fan of the steelfiber in irons so they’ve never really been a brand ive done any research on Quote Driver: PXG 0811 X+ Proto w/UST Helium 5F4 Wood: TaylorMade M5 5W w/Accra TZ5 +1/2”, TaylorMade Sim 3W w/Aldila rogue white Hybrid: PXG Gen2 22* w/AD hybrid Irons: PXG Gen3 0311T w/Nippon modus 120 Wedges: TaylorMade MG2 50*, Tiger grind 56/60 Putter: Scotty Caemeron Super Rat1 Ball: Titleist Prov1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dlow206 Posted April 22, 2021 Share Posted April 22, 2021 21 minutes ago, RickyBobby_PR said: Which shafts from Accra are designed specifically for fairway woods. I thought I was pretty familiar with Accra and don’t ever recall seeing them have a shaft only for fairways. I do recall something about the aerotech but I’m not a fan of the steelfiber in irons so they’ve never really been a brand ive done any research on There is a iwood fwy tour shaft for example: http://accragolf.com/iwood-ihybrid-shafts/ Quote Follow my golf journey to break into the 80s Tester for the Titleist TSi Driver Spring 2020 MGS Tester for the Fujikura Motore X Shaft Updated 07/15/2022 Driver: Rogue St Max LS - Autoflex Fairway Woods: Rogue Max St 3HL and 7 Wood Irons: JPX 921 Hot Metal 5 to AW - Aerotech Steelfiber i95 Stiff parallel tip Wedges: Glide 4.0 54 and 58 Putter: PLD Custom Kushin 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mikeanthony Posted April 23, 2021 Share Posted April 23, 2021 On 4/22/2021 at 9:58 AM, Brian A said: The gentleman fitting me said I was getting 7 iron spin numbers with driver Ooof. That’s tough. Were you fitted for the shaft as well? A steep angle of attack would certainly contribute to higher spin numbers. I have the TS2, and it’s currently at the D2 ... but that’s mainly to assist me with a more upright lie. My standard iron specs are 2° upright with +1 inch on the shafts. Quote Driver: G410 SFT 10.5* 3W: Speedzone 14.5* Hybrid: TS2 19* & 21* Irons: Forged Tec One Length (5i-GW) Wedges: T22 55* & 59* Putter: 002 Mid-Mallet Ball: Callaway Chrome Soft LS & Prime-X Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brian A Posted April 24, 2021 Author Share Posted April 24, 2021 19 hours ago, mikeanthony said: Ooof. That’s tough. Were you fitted for the shaft as well? A steep angle of attack would certainly contribute to higher spin numbers. I have the TS2, and it’s currently at the D2 ... but that’s mainly to assist me with a more upright lie. My standard iron specs are 2° upright with +1 inch on the shafts. They put me in the smoke black 6.0, I recently ordered the Smoke Green 6.5tx which is supposedly a spin killer! again lessons and fixing my swing is the longer term goal, just frustrating when I shoot a 97 and the majority comes from trying to recover from the tee shot being way right Micah T 1 Quote Driver: G425 9* Hzrdus Smoke Green Small batch 6.5 70g Fairway Wood: Cobra Radspeed Big 3 Hzrdus Smoke Black 6.5 Hybrid: Cobra Aerojet 5 Wood Hzrdus Smoke Black 6.5 Irons: T200 (4-AW) AMT Black Stiff Shafts Wedges: Tour Rack 56* 60* Putter: Scotty Cameron Golo 5 Right Handed Pittsburgh, PA Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Micah T Posted April 24, 2021 Share Posted April 24, 2021 They put me in the smoke black 6.0, I recently ordered the Smoke Green 6.5tx which is supposedly a spin killer! again lessons and fixing my swing is the longer term goal, just frustrating when I shoot a 97 and the majority comes from trying to recover from the tee shot being way right Depends on if you have the swing speed to launch a ball with a shaft that stiff; I swing +115 and couldn’t really get the flight I wanted with it. Might depend on how you load it and how aggressively you transition...Sent from my iPhone using MyGolfSpy RickyBobby_PR 1 Quote Driver - Cobra LtDxLS 3 Wood - Ping g410 LST 2iron - Titleist U505 Irons - Ping i59 Wedges - Vokey Sm9 Putter - Mizuno Mcraft IV Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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