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Multiple settings on the club that you are asking about. Whether it seems right or not, were the results better with the fitter suggested settings?

The purpose of that setting was to get you better results with how you currently swing the club. As others have mentioned if you have a big slice not setting will turn that into a straight flight or draw. The only “real” way to fix a slice is to change the club path and face angle.

Those setting won’t impact backspin either. To fix that problem you need to alter thinks like angle of attack and dynamic loft.

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The chart is pretty straightforward. It tells you what the most draw setting is with A3. Lofting up as in B4 closes the face a little which helps with a slice but the flatter lie angle could potential

People react differently to how clubs are setup. There are Multiple settings on the club that you are asking about. Whether it seems right or not, were the results better with the fitter suggested s

For some reason OEMs don’t like to advertise how lowering and raising loft changes face angle.    General rule of thumb to remember is going down in loft opens the face and going up in loft clo

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On 4/20/2021 at 4:47 PM, jlukes said:

For some reason OEMs don’t like to advertise how lowering and raising loft changes face angle. 
 

General rule of thumb to remember is going down in loft opens the face and going up in loft closes the face. 
 

Did he say why he put you in the flat setting?

My understanding based on watching something from Tom Wishon is that there is some nuance about the loft change and the face angle with adjustable adapters. When changing the loft on the adapter, it does literally close the face angle, but does not actually change the loft, unless the player soles the driver and rotates the face to square at setup. The rotating to square at setup is what then changes the loft of the club. If you just sole the driver as it wants to lie at setup, then you do have a closed face due to the adapter change, but no change in loft. 

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14 minutes ago, cnosil said:

People react differently to how clubs are setup. There are
Multiple settings on the club that you are asking about. Whether it seems right or not, were the results better with the fitter suggested settings

Yup. When I did a titleist Thursday for the 917 driver after we got everything dialed in and finalized the fitter asked me if he could make some tweaks to get data and see how certain changes affect a golfer. I don’t recall the setting he put it on initially gave it to me and asked me not to look at the setting. He was watching me swing and the way the club sat without me realizing it caused me to change my swing to get my desired result. The numbers he said were terrible and I could see in the ball flight it wasn’t anything I could live with on the course 

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1 hour ago, dlow206 said:

My understanding based on watching something from Tom Wishon is that there is some nuance about the loft change and the face angle with adjustable adapters. When changing the loft on the adapter, it does literally close the face angle, but does not actually change the loft, unless the player soles the driver and rotates the face to square at setup. The rotating to square at setup is what then changes the loft of the club. If you just sole the driver as it wants to lie at setup, then you do have a closed face due to the adapter change, but no change in loft. 

Correct.

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37 minutes ago, RickyBobby_PR said:

Can you provide examples of a shaft designed specifically for woods. All the woods shafts I know are the same as the driver shaft they just are tipped generally 1/2” then butt trimmed for length. 
 

 

Accra has always made shafts that are specifically designed for use in fairway woods, and Pederson does this as well. Besides being at least 2" shorter than their driver shafts (43" to 44" vs. 46" for the corresponding driver shaft), these fairway shafts weigh 10 to 15 grams more and they generally have a softer tip section to promote higher launch.  Aerotech also has a line of .335" tip SteelFiber shafts designed specifically for use in fairway woods.

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1 hour ago, funkyjudge said:

Accra has always made shafts that are specifically designed for use in fairway woods, and Pederson does this as well. Besides being at least 2" shorter than their driver shafts (43" to 44" vs. 46" for the corresponding driver shaft), these fairway shafts weigh 10 to 15 grams more and they generally have a softer tip section to promote higher launch.  Aerotech also has a line of .335" tip SteelFiber shafts designed specifically for use in fairway woods.

Which shafts from Accra are designed specifically for fairway woods. I thought I was pretty familiar with Accra and don’t ever recall seeing them have a shaft only for fairways.

I do recall something about the aerotech but I’m not a fan of the steelfiber in irons so they’ve never really been a brand ive done any research on

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21 minutes ago, RickyBobby_PR said:

Which shafts from Accra are designed specifically for fairway woods. I thought I was pretty familiar with Accra and don’t ever recall seeing them have a shaft only for fairways.

I do recall something about the aerotech but I’m not a fan of the steelfiber in irons so they’ve never really been a brand ive done any research on

There is a iwood fwy tour shaft for example:

http://accragolf.com/iwood-ihybrid-shafts/

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On 4/22/2021 at 9:58 AM, Brian A said:

The gentleman fitting me said I was getting 7 iron spin numbers with driver 

 

Ooof. That’s tough. Were you fitted for the shaft as well? A steep angle of attack would certainly contribute to higher spin numbers.  

I have the TS2, and it’s currently at the D2 ... but that’s mainly to assist me with a more upright lie. My standard iron specs are 2° upright with +1 inch on the shafts. 

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19 hours ago, mikeanthony said:

Ooof. That’s tough. Were you fitted for the shaft as well? A steep angle of attack would certainly contribute to higher spin numbers.  

I have the TS2, and it’s currently at the D2 ... but that’s mainly to assist me with a more upright lie. My standard iron specs are 2° upright with +1 inch on the shafts. 

They put me in the smoke black 6.0, I recently ordered the Smoke Green 6.5tx which is supposedly a spin killer! 
 

again lessons and fixing my swing is the longer term goal, just frustrating when I shoot a 97 and the majority comes from trying to recover from the tee shot being way right 

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They put me in the smoke black 6.0, I recently ordered the Smoke Green 6.5tx which is supposedly a spin killer! 
 
again lessons and fixing my swing is the longer term goal, just frustrating when I shoot a 97 and the majority comes from trying to recover from the tee shot being way right 

Depends on if you have the swing speed to launch a ball with a shaft that stiff; I swing +115 and couldn’t really get the flight I wanted with it. Might depend on how you load it and how aggressively you transition...


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55 minutes ago, Brian A said:

They put me in the smoke black 6.0, I recently ordered the Smoke Green 6.5tx which is supposedly a spin killer! 
 

again lessons and fixing my swing is the longer term goal, just frustrating when I shoot a 97 and the majority comes from trying to recover from the tee shot being way right 

Shafts don’t significantly reduce spin by themselves. If someone hits down on the driver going to a lower spinning shaft is still going to cause high sling because of how the club is being delivered. 
 

Black 6.0 to smoke green 6.5tx is a big jump in stiffness and profile. Will be curious to see what you think of that shaft and how it affect your swing and ball flight 

 

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5 hours ago, Micah T said:


Depends on if you have the swing speed to launch a ball with a shaft that stiff; I swing +115 and couldn’t really get the flight I wanted with it. Might depend on how you load it and how aggressively you transition...


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Very aggressive transition 

 

4 hours ago, RickyBobby_PR said:

Shafts don’t significantly reduce spin by themselves. If someone hits down on the driver going to a lower spinning shaft is still going to cause high sling because of how the club is being delivered. 
 

Black 6.0 to smoke green 6.5tx is a big jump in stiffness and profile. Will be curious to see what you think of that shaft and how it affect your swing and ball flight 

 

going to the range tomorrow to find out. Swinging it just in back yard I like how it feels heavier and more stout

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On 4/22/2021 at 3:12 PM, RickyBobby_PR said:

Which shafts from Accra are designed specifically for fairway woods. I thought I was pretty familiar with Accra and don’t ever recall seeing them have a shaft only for fairways.

I do recall something about the aerotech but I’m not a fan of the steelfiber in irons so they’ve never really been a brand ive done any research on

All Accra FX Series shafts have a separate fairway wood (and hybrid) shaft series, generally I three different weights. For example, all of the FX 2.0 shafts include dedicated fairway wood shafts in 65, 75, and 85 gram models. This has been the case for many years, since Accra introduced their DyMatch shaft series, which was the predecessor to the FX shaft line.

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@RickyBobby_PR So after a solid range session the driver is set at B1 and the 6.5Tx shaft is definitely heavier and harder to get around but it is going much straighter with only about 10 yards loss.
 

For some reason the rapsodo wasn’t picking my swings as much, I think the phone was in low power mode. Still hitting the ball high.

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16 hours ago, Brian A said:

@RickyBobby_PR So after a solid range session the driver is set at B1 and the 6.5Tx shaft is definitely heavier and harder to get around but it is going much straighter with only about 10 yards loss.
 

For some reason the rapsodo wasn’t picking my swings as much, I think the phone was in low power mode. Still hitting the ball high.

Not surprised you feel it to be heavier your smoke black 6.0 if it’s the 60g version weight 59g uncut and has a torque of 3.5, if it’s the 70g version then it’s same torque and 68g uncut.

the green 6.5tx 60g version is 3.0 torque which doesn’t seem like a lot but for some can dramatically change the feel and weighs 65g uncut. If it’s the 70g version then it’s 2.8 and 74g.

The harder to get around also not surprising especially if you have an over the top swing which based on your comment about spin is probably the case. 

Without seeing video of your swing with the black and again with the green it doesn’t sound like the green is helping you not make this ott move as you say the ball is still going high and that you have lost more yardage. 
 

here’s a pic comparing shaft profiles. The original hzrdus black and smoke black really didn’t change in overall profile. pX just softened the shaft a bit with the smoke version. You can see how much stiffer the tx is and how different is it from the non green rx version.

 

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2 hours ago, RickyBobby_PR said:

Not surprised you feel it to be heavier your smoke black 6.0 if it’s the 60g version weight 59g uncut and has a torque of 3.5, if it’s the 70g version then it’s same torque and 68g uncut.

the green 6.5tx 60g version is 3.0 torque which doesn’t seem like a lot but for some can dramatically change the feel and weighs 65g uncut. If it’s the 70g version then it’s 2.8 and 74g.

The harder to get around also not surprising especially if you have an over the top swing which based on your comment about spin is probably the case. 

Without seeing video of your swing with the black and again with the green it doesn’t sound like the green is helping you not make this ott move as you say the ball is still going high and that you have lost more yardage. 
 

here’s a pic comparing shaft profiles. The original hzrdus black and smoke black really didn’t change in overall profile. pX just softened the shaft a bit with the smoke version. You can see how much stiffer the tx is and how different is it from the non green rx version.

 

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I will try to get rapsodo tomorrow when I play see if I can get the video. I am losing distance but it’s ending up straighter than before. 
 

also I don’t understand that chart at all

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13 minutes ago, Brian A said:

I will try to get rapsodo tomorrow when I play see if I can get the video. I am losing distance but it’s ending up straighter than before. 
 

also I don’t understand that chart at all

The chart is showing how much more the mid and butt sections of the green 6.5tx is stiffer than black as you go from the tip to the butt.

PX stated when the 6.5tx game out it was designed to reduce spin for the strongest of swingers. Usually not a profile that fits swing speeds under 110 and/or those with smooth transition/tempo

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10 minutes ago, RickyBobby_PR said:

The chart is showing how much more the mid and butt sections of the green 6.5tx is stiffer than black as you go from the tip to the butt.

PX stated when the 6.5tx game out it was designed to reduce spin for the strongest of swingers. Usually not a profile that fits swing speeds under 110 and/or those with smooth transition/tempo

Gotcha, I am right around that 110 but my transition is very quick so we’ll see how I score with it, I can always go back 

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@RickyBobby_PR I know I’m still over swinging

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Hybrid:   :titelist-small: TS2 19* Hzrdus Smoke Black Stiff shaft

Irons:     :titelist-small: 718 AP1 (4-PW) AMT Red Stiff Shafts 

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4 minutes ago, Brian A said:

@RickyBobby_PR I know I’m still over swinging

 

You are way over swinging. Your right arm folds well past 90* (first pic) and from this angle it’s hard to tell but you look to not have much hip rotation. Would need to see a direct down the live video to really tell.

second pic shows how your entire body is used to start the swing which leads to the way over the top swing in the third pic that gets the clubhead way outside and causing you to hit down and across the ball as we see in the last 2 pics.

This action is going to lead to high spin numbers and the left to right ball flight. The amount of that movement will depend on what your face and path are like.

 

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