Popular Post GaDawg Posted April 21, 2021 Popular Post Share Posted April 21, 2021 "An individual’s value will be based not just on on-course performance but rather an Impact Score, which will be determined using six metrics: a player’s position on the FedExCup points list; a player’s popularity in Google Search; a player’s Nielsen Brand Exposure rating; a player’s Q Rating (appeal); a player’s MVP Index rating (engagement on social and digital channels); and a player’s Meltwater Mentions (frequency he generates coverage across media platforms)." Call me a Dud, Ole Fart, etc., but I don't do social media. Never have and never will, that's one of the tings wrong with our country today. I think this new incentive program is a crock of crap. Play the game of golf, whomever shoots the lowest score wins and divide the money based on how the field finishes. I feel certain others are going to disagree, but to each his own. GolfSpy_SHARK, ncwoz, MattF and 8 others 9 2 Quote Driver: TSI3 - 10*, Hzrdus Smoke 6.0 Stiff Driver: Stealth Plus - 10.5*, Oban Kiyoshi Purple O4Flex-65 Grams Purred 3 Wood: SIM - 15*, Graphite Design Tour AD DJ5 Stiff Hybrid: TS3 - 19*, Hzrdus Smoke 6.0 Stiff Irons: 5 - PW T150, with Nippon Zelos 7 Reg, 4 iron - U505 with Project X HZRDUS Black Stiff Wedges: Vokey SM 8 - 50*, 60* Standard Wedge Shafts Wedge: Milled Grind 3 MG3 56* S200 shaft Putter: Studio Select Newport 1.5 Putter: Phantom X 5.5 Ball: Pro V1x Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
vaughnpereira Posted April 21, 2021 Share Posted April 21, 2021 I hear you and understand what you’re saying. They are wanting players to put themselves out there more and have golf be more front and center hoping some kids that don’t want to play traditional sports will see golf and find it appealing. Im not mad about it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post MattF Posted April 21, 2021 Popular Post Share Posted April 21, 2021 How about the tour invest that $40M in the KFT and First Tee? They're trying to run a popularity contest. GaDawg, RollingGreens, PMookie and 11 others 13 1 Quote In the bag: Driver: Darkspeed X 9° UST Mamiya LIN-Q M40X Blue 7F4 Fairway: Apex UW 19° & 21° Project X HZRDUS Smoke RDX Black 5.5 Irons: JPX 923 HMP 5-PW UST Mamiya Recoil 95 F4 Wedges: T-22 Denim Copper 48°, 52° & 56° UST Mamiya Recoil 95 F4 Putter Sycamore 005 Wide Blade Bag: Fairway 14 stand bag Balls: Chrome Tour Cart: CaddyLite ONE Ver. 8 God Bless America, God save the King, God defend New Zealand and thank Christ for Australia! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post PMookie Posted April 21, 2021 Popular Post Share Posted April 21, 2021 10 hours ago, GaDawg said: "An individual’s value will be based not just on on-course performance but rather an Impact Score, which will be determined using six metrics: a player’s position on the FedExCup points list; a player’s popularity in Google Search; a player’s Nielsen Brand Exposure rating; a player’s Q Rating (appeal); a player’s MVP Index rating (engagement on social and digital channels); and a player’s Meltwater Mentions (frequency he generates coverage across media platforms)." Call me a Dud, Ole Fart, etc., but I don't do social media. Never have and never will, that's one of the tings wrong with our country today. I think this new incentive program is a crock of crap. Play the game of golf, whomever shoots the lowest score wins and divide the money based on how the field finishes. I feel certain others are going to disagree, but to each his own. I’m in complete agreement. I’ve always loved professional sports like golf and tennis because one has to WIN to make a living, per se. These exact folks that are going to earn extra money already DO through ENDORSEMENTS!!!!!!! It’s idiotic. Not a fan at all! MattF, bens197, silver & black and 7 others 10 Quote Driver: Ping G430 Max 9*, Ping Tour 70X Fairway: Ping G425 15*, Ping Tour 70X Hybrid: Ping G425 22*, Ping Tour 80X Irons: Ping i230 4-GW, TT DG X100 Wedges: SMS 50D/54V/58DModus 130 stiff, +1” Putter: EAS 1.0 Ball: Titleist 2023 AVX Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RollingGreens Posted April 21, 2021 Share Posted April 21, 2021 11 hours ago, GaDawg said: "An individual’s value will be based not just on on-course performance but rather an Impact Score, which will be determined using six metrics: a player’s position on the FedExCup points list; a player’s popularity in Google Search; a player’s Nielsen Brand Exposure rating; a player’s Q Rating (appeal); a player’s MVP Index rating (engagement on social and digital channels); and a player’s Meltwater Mentions (frequency he generates coverage across media platforms)." Call me a Dud, Ole Fart, etc., but I don't do social media. Never have and never will, that's one of the tings wrong with our country today. I think this new incentive program is a crock of crap. Play the game of golf, whomever shoots the lowest score wins and divide the money based on how the field finishes. I feel certain others are going to disagree, but to each his own. Is this like old man golf media being forced to use social media with daily posts. Posts that seem stale and pushed. Unfortunately with people cutting the cord and becoming more intwined with social media it's what's driving profits fixyurdivot, BKordon, MattF and 3 others 4 2 Quote Stealth 2 Plus 9deg Kai' li Red Stealth 2 13deg Aldilla Rogue Silver Stealth 2 15deg Aldilla Rogue Silver JPX 921 Hot Metal 4-PW Nippon Modus 120s SM8 54 and 58deg Dynamic Gold Wedge Flex Scotty Cameron Newport 2 Titleist ProV1 Hoofer Stand Bag Stewart Q Follow Electric Caddie 300 PRO Rangefinder Official Nippon Regio B+ Driver Shaft Review Official Stewart Q Follow Review Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cnosil Posted April 21, 2021 Share Posted April 21, 2021 I consider myself old and don’t necessarily agree with this I understand why they are doing it. Golf is considered and old man elitist sport and they are trying to generate interest in younger generations. That group spends considerable time on social media. The tour is leveraging its players to advertise and generate interest. The tour would probably spend this in less effective advertising so why not channel the money through people that have a vested interest in people liking and being involved in the sport. bens197, aerospace_ray, ejgaudette and 4 others 7 Quote Driver: G400 Max 9* w/ KBS Tour Driven Fairway: TS3 15* w/Project X Hzardous Smoke Hybrids: 915H 21* w/KBS Tour Graphite Hybrid Prototype 915H 24* w/KBS Tour Graphite Hybrid Prototype Irons: TR20V 6-11 w/Vizard TR20-85 Graphite Wedge: 54/12D, 60/8M w/:Accra iWedge 90 Graphite Putter: Sacks Parente MC 3 Stripe Backup Putters: Milled Collection RSX 2, mFGP2, Futura 5W, TM-180 Member: MGS Hitsquad since 2017 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post bens197 Posted April 21, 2021 Popular Post Share Posted April 21, 2021 36 minutes ago, MattF said: How about the tour invest that $40M in the KFT and First Tee? They're trying to run a popularity contest. 100% agree with this Matt. The populism is really where it loses me. Throwing money at the top tier guys who have more than they could ever spend seems out of touch with the world. If I had $40 million lying around I could think of 100 other things to do than what they came up with. fixyurdivot, GaDawg, GolfSpy_SHARK and 7 others 7 3 Quote Titleist TSi3 Fujikura Speeder NX Blue 60X TaylorMade SIM2 3 wood Fujilkura Ventus Blue 7-X Titleist U505 2 Tensei 1K Black 85 X Titleist T100 4-P Nippon Modus 3 120X PING S159 50-S 55-H 59-T DG X100 Vokey SM8 50, SM9 54 & 60 Nippon Modus 3 120s L.A.B. MEZZ Max Broom Accra 47" 79.5* Srixon Z-Star XV Currently testing the 2024 PING S159 wedges… https://forum.mygolfspy.com/topic/63483-testers-announced-ping-s159-wedges/ Was testing, still loving the 2023 Titleist T100 Irons 4-P https://forum.mygolfspy.com/topic/60456-titleist-t-series-irons-2023-forum-review/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RickyBobby_PR Posted April 21, 2021 Share Posted April 21, 2021 Like @cnosil I’m in the older group and while there is a bunch of negativity and a change in people’s mentality spread across social media there is good in it as well. People of all backgrounds have made a life for themselves Thur branding on social media. It’s a great way for someone to market themselves and reach people they wouldn’t be able to do as easily through older methods. I can see where the tour is coming from and the players in the category they are referring to get to pick and choose the courses they play and they can avoid ones that don’t matchup well for them. Give them some incentive to play some of these events, generate buzz and ticket sales and that money is in some capacity given back to the community and charities. Would it be nice to see that money go to other tours or organizations? Sure but the tour is looking out for #1 and the players that will benefit the tour. I think the concept is going to probably fall flat but we shall see MattF, GolfSpy_SHARK, aerospace_ray and 4 others 7 Quote Driver: PXG 0811 X+ Proto w/UST Helium 5F4 Wood: TaylorMade M5 5W w/Accra TZ5 +1/2”, TaylorMade Sim 3W w/Aldila rogue white Hybrid: PXG Gen2 22* w/AD hybrid Irons: PXG Gen3 0311T w/Nippon modus 120 Wedges: TaylorMade MG2 50*, Tiger grind 56/60 Putter: Scotty Caemeron Super Rat1 Ball: Titleist Prov1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DannyDips Posted April 21, 2021 Share Posted April 21, 2021 I think I'm in agreement with most of you. Seems like a poor way to spend an additional slush fund the PGA tour has. Maybe it's a stalwart against slumps we've seen Spieth fall into and now see Rickie in so they can keep the lights turned on ... Wild thing is popular players get more endorsements. It would make more sense to create a retirement fund for journeymen players or even caddies. Caddies have zero support from tour as independent contractors. Lots of better ways to spend this money than giving popular players more money. Of course it's the tours money so they will spend it as they want... PMookie, Stuka44, bens197 and 4 others 7 Quote Location: Golf Capital of Tennessee Rogue LS 9° Driver, X stiff KuroKage G410 17° & 19° hybrid, X stiff JPX-921 Tours 4 iron thru PW, Modus 105 X stiff S18 50°, 56° & 60° Single Stock #3 34.5" putter 2019 MSG Forum Tester- Bridgestone e12 2021 Callaway Epic Max LS Driver Test Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
juspoole Posted April 21, 2021 Share Posted April 21, 2021 2 hours ago, cnosil said: I consider myself old and don’t necessarily agree with this I understand why they are doing it. Golf is considered and old man elitist sport and they are trying to generate interest in younger generations. That group spends considerable time on social media. The tour is leveraging its players to advertise and generate interest. The tour would probably spend this in less effective advertising so why not channel the money through people that have a vested interest in people liking and being involved in the sport. Agree with you here on this. I'm not a fan of this, but take Rickie Fowler for example and his massive popularity even still. He's brought a ton of kids to golf that may not have otherwise considered this as a sport and was a very good player for a few years. But some of his highest popularity came early when he was only a top 40 player. I think the dollars would already be spent and this may not work, but potentially worth a try to see if it moves the needle. We don't have another Tiger Woods that is going to drive millions of people to golf currently or maybe ever. DannyDips, MattF, GolfSpy_SHARK and 1 other 4 Quote Driver: Mavrik Sub Zero 9* (Set to 10) Ventus Blue 6X 2 Hybrid: TSI3 Hybrid Tensei Blue 80 X (17.25*) 3 Hybrid 818 H2 Hybrid Hzrdus RDX Black 6.5 (20.5*) 4 Iron - T200 4 Iron Graphite Design Tour AD IZ X Hybrid Shaft Irons 5-PW: T100-S 5 - GW KBS Tour 130 X Gap/Sand Wedge: Vokey SM6 49* SM8 54* Lob Wedge: Jaws 5 Wedge 58* DG Tour Issue Stiff Putter: Phantom 5.5 34" Pro Platinum Newport 2 35" Taylormade Tour Black Spider 34" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
juspoole Posted April 21, 2021 Share Posted April 21, 2021 29 minutes ago, DannyDips said: It would make more sense to create a retirement fund for journeymen players or even caddies. I was listening to a podcast - i think it was no laying up when they had Jason Bohn a few times. He gave details to how some of the retirement worked for PGA Tour Members. Very interesting. HardcoreLooper and MattF 2 Quote Driver: Mavrik Sub Zero 9* (Set to 10) Ventus Blue 6X 2 Hybrid: TSI3 Hybrid Tensei Blue 80 X (17.25*) 3 Hybrid 818 H2 Hybrid Hzrdus RDX Black 6.5 (20.5*) 4 Iron - T200 4 Iron Graphite Design Tour AD IZ X Hybrid Shaft Irons 5-PW: T100-S 5 - GW KBS Tour 130 X Gap/Sand Wedge: Vokey SM6 49* SM8 54* Lob Wedge: Jaws 5 Wedge 58* DG Tour Issue Stiff Putter: Phantom 5.5 34" Pro Platinum Newport 2 35" Taylormade Tour Black Spider 34" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
03trdblack Posted April 21, 2021 Share Posted April 21, 2021 All the players are going to do is hire PR firms to run all of this for them (if they don't already, which most do). GolfSpy_SHARK, excourse, MattF and 1 other 3 1 Quote My bag is a revolving door! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JeremyD Posted April 21, 2021 Share Posted April 21, 2021 I honestly don't understand this. I think winning is more important, and I wonder if some of the better players that don't care about winning would be happy earning money here. I can see them trying to promote Ricky, and he isn't winning, but he probably has a lot of social media "points". Maybe let a winner take over the PGA social media site for a couple of days, and pay them for that. I'd much rather watch people like Collin McCarthy, or GM_Golf, or golf trick shots, or even Rick Shiels on social media. DJ (without Paulina) doesn't get my interest. GaDawg and excourse 2 Quote When my wife asked if I wanted to leave Maine and move to where she grew up, I couldn't say no to Pinehurst, NC. I honestly don't spend much money on golf equipment, but I'm constantly reading reviews in case I ever get ready to buy I swing left handed and have been the State of Maine Left Hander's champion since 1997, the last year they held the tournament. I'm currently a 7.1 handicap. Trying to get lower, but my gut gets in the way. WITB Driver: Epic speed 9 degree Irons: 990's S300 Stiff shafts bought when I was in college. (Received a personal use discount, otherwise would've stuck with my Hogan Edge's) 3 Wood: Epic speed 15 degree or PT15 52/56/60 Z Spin wedges (heck of a deal $100 for all 3 at Dick's in 2013) Putter: OG Rossie Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fixyurdivot Posted April 21, 2021 Share Posted April 21, 2021 22 hours ago, GaDawg said: "An individual’s value will be based not just on on-course performance but rather an Impact Score, which will be determined using six metrics: a player’s position on the FedExCup points list; a player’s popularity in Google Search; a player’s Nielsen Brand Exposure rating; a player’s Q Rating (appeal); a player’s MVP Index rating (engagement on social and digital channels); and a player’s Meltwater Mentions (frequency he generates coverage across media platforms)." Call me a Dud, Ole Fart, etc., but I don't do social media. Never have and never will, that's one of the tings wrong with our country today. I think this new incentive program is a crock of crap. Play the game of golf, whomever shoots the lowest score wins and divide the money based on how the field finishes. I feel certain others are going to disagree, but to each his own. No disagreement from me. My rub with social media is that it has become a form of vigilantism and oppression to those not in lock step with the populist views. Turning any aspect of PGA payouts into a who's popular and who's not contest is ridiculous. Play the match, lowest score wins... period. MattF, GolfSpy_SHARK, BKordon and 4 others 7 Quote G410 Plus, 9 Degree Driver G400 SFT, 16 Degree 3w G400 SFT, 19 Degree 5w ZX5 Irons 4-AW Glide 2.0 56 Degree SW (removed from double secret probation ) ER5v Putter (Evnroll ER5v Official Review) AI-One Milled Seven T CH (Currently Under Product Test) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bens197 Posted April 21, 2021 Share Posted April 21, 2021 15 minutes ago, fixyurdivot said: No disagreement from me. My rub with social media is that it has become a form of vigilantism and oppression to those not in lock step with the populist views. Turning any aspect of PGA payouts into a who's popular and who's not contest is ridiculous. Play the match, lowest score wins... period. 100% This could be life changing money for caddies. GolfSpy_SHARK, silver & black, excourse and 2 others 5 Quote Titleist TSi3 Fujikura Speeder NX Blue 60X TaylorMade SIM2 3 wood Fujilkura Ventus Blue 7-X Titleist U505 2 Tensei 1K Black 85 X Titleist T100 4-P Nippon Modus 3 120X PING S159 50-S 55-H 59-T DG X100 Vokey SM8 50, SM9 54 & 60 Nippon Modus 3 120s L.A.B. MEZZ Max Broom Accra 47" 79.5* Srixon Z-Star XV Currently testing the 2024 PING S159 wedges… https://forum.mygolfspy.com/topic/63483-testers-announced-ping-s159-wedges/ Was testing, still loving the 2023 Titleist T100 Irons 4-P https://forum.mygolfspy.com/topic/60456-titleist-t-series-irons-2023-forum-review/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TBT Posted April 22, 2021 Share Posted April 22, 2021 I think this whole thing is pretty weirdSent from my iPad using MyGolfSpy fixyurdivot, GaDawg and bens197 3 Quote XR Driver Matrix Ozik 8m3 Black Tie Shaft King F7 3W UST Mamiya Chrome Elements 7F4 Shaft King F7 5W UST Mamiya Chrome Elements 7F4 Shaft King F7 4 Hybrid Graphite Designs Tour AD-HY 95 Shaft PXG 0211 DC 5-PW Mitsubishi MMT 80 Shafts RTX ZIPCORE 50*,54*,58* UST Mamiya Recoil 95 Shafts Metal X Milled #7 with SuperStroke 2.0 grip MTB Twitter: @timldotson Instagram: timldotson Facebook: TimDotson Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Headhammer Posted April 22, 2021 Share Posted April 22, 2021 With this bonus Rickie Fowler may never have to win another golf tournament! bens197, MattF, GaDawg and 4 others 3 4 Quote Driver: Speed Zone 9* HZRDUS Smoke Yellow Shaft 3 Wood: King Speedzone 13.5* HZRDUS Smoke Black Shaft 2 & 3 Hybrids: Speedzone Recoil 480 ESX Shaft Irons: Speedzone 5-GW Recoil 460 ESX Shafts Wedges: PM Grind 54* & 58* Putter: Dual Force Rossi II Ball: Whatever I find in the woods HCP:18 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HeathS16 Posted April 22, 2021 Share Posted April 22, 2021 With this bonus Rickie Fowler may never have to win another golf tournament!Hahahahahahaha Sent from my iPhone using MyGolfSpy Quote Driver: TSi3 Tester Check out the Review HERE 2-Iron- 699-U 5-Wood: Pro (18*) Irons : i210 4-PW Wedges: RTX-4 50* and 54* RTX-3 *58 Putter: Impact No. 3 Ball: MAXFLI TOUR Tracked by: Bag: BagBoy ZTF Stand Bag (REVIEW HERE) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Another Steve Posted April 23, 2021 Share Posted April 23, 2021 Boy how much could you do for JUNIOR GOLF with some chunk of that $40M? How about pick your players and have them play a skins game to determine which charity gets the the $$$$.... Maybe even give it to some of the golf courses to lengthen them. MattF, fixyurdivot, excourse and 2 others 5 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GolfSpy_APH Posted April 23, 2021 Share Posted April 23, 2021 Do any of our MGS fantasy players get points towards playoffs from this? It is a interesting concept and I tend to agree with what is being said in all the above posts. It is a lot of money and likely could be spend elsewhere to help the game in a more impactful manner. NLU has made several arguments in the past that players who move the needle should somehow make more as they bring more eyes to the event they are in, however through their own social medias and endorsements they often make more then can be dreamt of. Hopefully some good of this comes and maybe in the end the players who do earn this will use it to give back to events or charities that will help the game as a whole. GolfSpy_SHARK 1 Quote as of Nov 6, 2023 (Past WITB) Driver: Paradym TD w/ GD ADDI 6X Driver Shootout! Wood: F7 3 wood 14.5* w/ Motore F1 Shaft Irons: T Series - T200 5 Iron T150 6-9 Iron T100 PW/GW Wedge: Toura Golf - A Spec 53,37,61 degree Putter: Mezz Max! Balls: Vice Pro Plus Drip (Blue/Orange) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post fixyurdivot Posted April 23, 2021 Popular Post Share Posted April 23, 2021 I made my statement above without having delved into the details. Upon further review, I stand by my statement but now understand some of the motivation for this, outwardly ridiculous, program. PGA Tour to create $40 million bonus pool for stars like Tiger Woods (usatoday.com) It seems the "PIP" program/fund is, at least to some level, the PGA's effort to stave off having any of their top players jump ship and move onto the Premier Golf League. Known as the Player Impact Program, the concept is seen as a direct response to Premier Golf League, a proposed splinter tour funded by the Saudi Arabian regime that has tried to lure golf’s biggest names with the promise of a massive guaranteed pay day. PGL has spent years trying to gain traction but seems no closer to signing a sufficient number of elite players to be viable. The stuttering PGL effort nevertheless forced the PGA Tour to devise a means to reward stars for the value they add to the overall product rather than solely for their on-course performance. Ponying up $40M sure looks to me like the PGA views the PGL as something more than a sputtering, traction-less threat. This could very well backfire on them whereby some of their solid players pool continues to work hard and place well at events only to see their social media popular competitors miss cuts and make more money than them. That may be just the motivation needed to become the new, highly paid stars of the PGL. Like so many things, just follow the money... I sure hate seeing professional golf headed down this road . excourse, MattF, Kanoito and 7 others 10 Quote G410 Plus, 9 Degree Driver G400 SFT, 16 Degree 3w G400 SFT, 19 Degree 5w ZX5 Irons 4-AW Glide 2.0 56 Degree SW (removed from double secret probation ) ER5v Putter (Evnroll ER5v Official Review) AI-One Milled Seven T CH (Currently Under Product Test) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cnosil Posted April 23, 2021 Share Posted April 23, 2021 I made my statement above without having delved into the details. Upon further review, I stand by my statement but now understand some of the motivation for this, outwardly ridiculous, program. PGA Tour to create $40 million bonus pool for stars like Tiger Woods (usatoday.com) It seems the "PIP" program/fund is, at least to some level, the PGA's effort to stave off having any of their top players jump ship and move onto the Premier Golf League. Known as the Player Impact Program, the concept is seen as a direct response to Premier Golf League, a proposed splinter tour funded by the Saudi Arabian regime that has tried to lure golf’s biggest names with the promise of a massive guaranteed pay day. PGL has spent years trying to gain traction but seems no closer to signing a sufficient number of elite players to be viable. The stuttering PGL effort nevertheless forced the PGA Tour to devise a means to reward stars for the value they add to the overall product rather than solely for their on-course performance. Ponying up $40M sure looks to me like the PGA views the PGL as something more than a sputtering, traction-less threat. This could very well backfire on them whereby some of their solid players pool continues to work hard and place well at events only to see their social media popular competitors miss cuts and make more money than them. That may be just the motivation needed to become the new, highly paid stars of the PGL. Like so many things, just follow the money... I sure hate seeing professional golf headed down this road . Wish I could give this multiple likes. Thanks for posting the additional “motivation” behind the program as it definitely casts a different light on the topic. fixyurdivot, Nassau, MattF and 2 others 5 Quote Driver: G400 Max 9* w/ KBS Tour Driven Fairway: TS3 15* w/Project X Hzardous Smoke Hybrids: 915H 21* w/KBS Tour Graphite Hybrid Prototype 915H 24* w/KBS Tour Graphite Hybrid Prototype Irons: TR20V 6-11 w/Vizard TR20-85 Graphite Wedge: 54/12D, 60/8M w/:Accra iWedge 90 Graphite Putter: Sacks Parente MC 3 Stripe Backup Putters: Milled Collection RSX 2, mFGP2, Futura 5W, TM-180 Member: MGS Hitsquad since 2017 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
THEZIPR23 Posted April 23, 2021 Share Posted April 23, 2021 2 hours ago, fixyurdivot said: I made my statement above without having delved into the details. Upon further review, I stand by my statement but now understand some of the motivation for this, outwardly ridiculous, program. PGA Tour to create $40 million bonus pool for stars like Tiger Woods (usatoday.com) It seems the "PIP" program/fund is, at least to some level, the PGA's effort to stave off having any of their top players jump ship and move onto the Premier Golf League. Known as the Player Impact Program, the concept is seen as a direct response to Premier Golf League, a proposed splinter tour funded by the Saudi Arabian regime that has tried to lure golf’s biggest names with the promise of a massive guaranteed pay day. PGL has spent years trying to gain traction but seems no closer to signing a sufficient number of elite players to be viable. The stuttering PGL effort nevertheless forced the PGA Tour to devise a means to reward stars for the value they add to the overall product rather than solely for their on-course performance. Ponying up $40M sure looks to me like the PGA views the PGL as something more than a sputtering, traction-less threat. This could very well backfire on them whereby some of their solid players pool continues to work hard and place well at events only to see their social media popular competitors miss cuts and make more money than them. That may be just the motivation needed to become the new, highly paid stars of the PGL. Like so many things, just follow the money... I sure hate seeing professional golf headed down this road . First off the whole thing is dumb and weird. That being said golf is the only sport that I can think of where you are paid based on your daily performance. All other sports pay you based on past/future performance. From that aspect it does make some sense. Doing it based of SM interactions is not the right method but there is some validity to the program as a whole. GaDawg, fixyurdivot, MattF and 3 others 6 Quote Stealth 2+ 9 (Diamana PD 60 S 45") Stealth 2+ 15 (Diamana PD 70 S 43") G425 19 (Raijin 2.0 85x) G425 22 (Raijin 2.0 85x) ZX7 5-9 (KBS C Taper S) Vokey SM9 45 10 F (KBS 610) Vokey SM9 49 08 F (KBS 610) Vokey SM9 55 08 M (KBS 610) Vokey SM9 59 04 T (KBS 610) Spider GT Splitback 34" ProV1 #23 Twitter @THEZIPR23 "One thing Golf has taught me, is that my muscles have no memory." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
revkev Posted April 24, 2021 Share Posted April 24, 2021 Why shouldn’t labor share in the profits? And the result of this is that it is not just about what happens on the course. If you want to point the finger of blame for that point it at Arnie. (And it’s not because I didn’t like him just making the point that he was compensated well beyond what his playing skills justified - with very good reason)As to taking the 40 mil and dumping it into charity the idea is to invest this money in such a way that the Tour earns more and thus has more to give to charitable organizations while growing the game for the future. The PGA tour has a better than most record when it comes to giving outside of itself.I understand this move, it helps protect and expand the business in an ever changing marketplace. Sent from my iPhone using MyGolfSpy DannyDips, GolfSpy_SHARK, RickyBobby_PR and 1 other 4 Quote Taylor Made Stealth 2 10.5 Diamana S plus 60 Aldila R flex - 42.25 inches SMT 4 wood bassara R flex, four wood head, 3 wood shaft Ping G410 7, 9 wood Alta 65 R flex Srixon ZX5 MK II 5-GW - UST recoil Dart 65 R flex India 52,56 (60 pending) UST recoil 75's R flex Evon roll ER 5 32 inches It's our offseason so auditioning candidates - looking for that right mix of low spin long, more spin around the greens - TBD Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
excourse Posted April 24, 2021 Share Posted April 24, 2021 Turning the popularity of golf over to the social media mob is ridiculous. Players like Arnie, Jack Tiger and Phil always made extra money thru endorsements and pay to play arrangements at occasional tournaments. The market place will balance itself. This is an incredibly poor decision by the PGA imo. fixyurdivot, GolfSpy_SHARK and Stuka44 3 Quote Wishon clubs, Odyssey CS stroke lab putter Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GolfSpy_SHARK Posted April 24, 2021 Share Posted April 24, 2021 Agree with pretty much all this. It’s unfortunate that money is needed to keep players somewhere. I understand it but don’t agree with it because I know what I would do. maybe it’s just me and I admittedly am pretty naive when it comes to tour cards and what tournaments someone can play in but won’t these guys just play in whatever tournament they want in anyway regardless of who’s paying them? HardcoreLooper, fixyurdivot, sirchunksalot and 1 other 4 Quote Check out my reviews: G710 Irons Official Review I MC Shaft & V Series Putter Official Review 2022 Forged Tec's Official Review I Nitron Push Cart Official Review WITB: Weapons of grass destruction (link to WITB) Traverse is filled with all this shiny metal and tracked by RadSpeed 8* - MotoreX F1 6X SIM 3W - Project X HZRDUS Green U505 Driving Iron 17* - Project X HZRDUS Black SpeedZone 4H - Project X HZRDUS Black 2022 King Forged Tec's 4-PW - KBS $ Tape 130 48 (SM8), 52 & 60 (SM7) - Nippon Modus 125 S ER2VI PROV1X #19 Are you a veteran? Check out the Veterans Golf Association (VGA) Thread! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fixyurdivot Posted April 24, 2021 Share Posted April 24, 2021 18 minutes ago, revkev said: Why shouldn’t labor share in the profits? Then why not just split the $40M over the years event payouts? This way all of the players get equal opportunity benefit. GolfSpy_SHARK and THEZIPR23 2 Quote G410 Plus, 9 Degree Driver G400 SFT, 16 Degree 3w G400 SFT, 19 Degree 5w ZX5 Irons 4-AW Glide 2.0 56 Degree SW (removed from double secret probation ) ER5v Putter (Evnroll ER5v Official Review) AI-One Milled Seven T CH (Currently Under Product Test) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RickyBobby_PR Posted April 24, 2021 Share Posted April 24, 2021 11 minutes ago, fixyurdivot said: Then why not just split the $40M over the years event payouts? This way all of the players get equal opportunity benefit. Because the tour isn’t worried about losing guys at the bottom of the rankings. Look at what happened in European soccer. The minute it looked like the big name teams were heading for another league the powers to be threatened them with a huge fine. Then all of a sudden those teams weren’t so interested in leaving. Paying the names that draws fans is how you keep others from stealing talent and making profits off them and affecting your profits. HardcoreLooper, GolfSpy_SHARK and cnosil 3 Quote Driver: PXG 0811 X+ Proto w/UST Helium 5F4 Wood: TaylorMade M5 5W w/Accra TZ5 +1/2”, TaylorMade Sim 3W w/Aldila rogue white Hybrid: PXG Gen2 22* w/AD hybrid Irons: PXG Gen3 0311T w/Nippon modus 120 Wedges: TaylorMade MG2 50*, Tiger grind 56/60 Putter: Scotty Caemeron Super Rat1 Ball: Titleist Prov1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fixyurdivot Posted April 24, 2021 Share Posted April 24, 2021 6 minutes ago, RickyBobby_PR said: Because the tour isn’t worried about losing guys at the bottom of the rankings. Look at what happened in European soccer. The minute it looked like the big name teams were heading for another league the powers to be threatened them with a huge fine. Then all of a sudden those teams weren’t so interested in leaving. Paying the names that draws fans is how you keep others from stealing talent and making profits off them and affecting your profits. But the top ranked players are going to get the majority of the increased purse size; so it still rewards them more while still giving the lower ranked players a piece of the pie. Moreover, it eliminates the popularity contest aspect. GolfSpy_SHARK 1 Quote G410 Plus, 9 Degree Driver G400 SFT, 16 Degree 3w G400 SFT, 19 Degree 5w ZX5 Irons 4-AW Glide 2.0 56 Degree SW (removed from double secret probation ) ER5v Putter (Evnroll ER5v Official Review) AI-One Milled Seven T CH (Currently Under Product Test) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RickyBobby_PR Posted April 24, 2021 Share Posted April 24, 2021 38 minutes ago, fixyurdivot said: But the top ranked players are going to get the majority of the increased purse size; so it still rewards them more while still giving the lower ranked players a piece of the pie. Moreover, it eliminates the popularity contest aspect. Well the tour is a popularity thing. People aren’t paying to watch guys that aren’t named DJ, Rahm, Tiger, Phil and about 10-15 others. I used to go to tigers event at concessional and the years he wasn’t there attendance was way down even with some bigger names there. You could walk and talk with a bunch of different groups of middle of the pack players even on the weekend because nobody was following them or sitting around the holes they were playing. HardcoreLooper, revkev and GolfSpy_SHARK 3 Quote Driver: PXG 0811 X+ Proto w/UST Helium 5F4 Wood: TaylorMade M5 5W w/Accra TZ5 +1/2”, TaylorMade Sim 3W w/Aldila rogue white Hybrid: PXG Gen2 22* w/AD hybrid Irons: PXG Gen3 0311T w/Nippon modus 120 Wedges: TaylorMade MG2 50*, Tiger grind 56/60 Putter: Scotty Caemeron Super Rat1 Ball: Titleist Prov1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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