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Is too much launch and spin in a ball a bad thing?


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I promise I am not only on MGS for golf balls (Check out my review of the Top Flite Gamer golf ball). But, I did notice something while playing this weekend that I had not noticed before. Basically, can having a ball spin too much or launch too high be a problem? I know the general answer is yes, too much of a good thing can be bad. But I would like to know why I experienced what I did with a "higher spinning" ball during my last round.

I have played the 2021 ProV1 exclusively for my last 5 rounds and have had no problems with the ball. It is a well-rounded ball as everyone has come to expect with the ProV1. Over the weekend, I went and played, but realized once I was loading up my cart that only 2 balls in my bag were ProV1s and the rest were from a box of 2021 ProV1x I had been using before settling on the ProV1 for feel preference. I played the ProV1s most of the day except for the last 4 holes after hitting the ProV1s OB. I found the V1x and ProV1 have very comparable performance off the tee and only a slightly different feel off the putter.

I noticed a huge difference in the balls with my irons this weekend that I had not noticed before while playing either one, and that is in wind play. The wind was constantly swirling all day as the course was out in more of a rural area with very few trees on the course or surrounding, but I never really had any major problems besides just accounting for the wind direction like I normally do for each shot. This strategy was fine until I played the ProV1x the last few holes because I could not get it through the wind at all. The ball seemed to just launch super high, hit a wall of wind, and be at least a whole club short along with getting blown left or right depending on which way the wind was blowing.

Now, I'm about a 12 handicap that is not always consistent on strike, but there was one hole in particular that I had 140 to the pin, 120 to carry a creek, and into about a 10 mph wind. I normally hit a 8 iron 145, but with the wind I played a 7 knowing that a flush 7 even with a gust should put me on the green. I hit a fairly solid shot that wasn't heavy or thin, but a little on the heel, and it ended up in the creek. I put another ball down as a drop and hit one square that barely got over the creek, but wound up rolling down the hill. I didn't go quite full Tin Cup, but I took out on more ball, grabbed my 5 iron, and took a full swing that I hit a thin that wound up on the near side of the green for a 25 foot putt. 

I ended up playing a club longer the rest of the round to avoid a similar issue, but no matter what, it seemed the ProV1x kept getting caught up in the wind and not going where I thought it would. Does this sound like a normal performance from a ProV1x or another comparable "higher spinning/higher launching ball" in the wind?

 

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Ball: :titelist-small: ProV1

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Yes. I’m a high ball hitter so I play the standard pro v1 because the ProV1x launches and spins too much for me

Ball fitting is just as important as club fitting 

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55 minutes ago, jlukes said:

Yes. I’m a high ball hitter so I play the standard pro v1 because the ProV1x launches and spins too much for me

Ball fitting is just as important as club fitting 

Thanks! I decided to play the ProV1x based on its firmer feel, higher spin, and higher launch when I first started golfing last year. I thought more spin and more height would help my game, and I kept playing the ProV1x or similar balls until about 2 months ago. I did a club fitting, and my teaching pro recommended the ProV1. I did a virtual fitting with the guys at TXG, and they also recommended the ProV1 or Srixon Z-Star based on my launch monitor numbers. I had been playing the Z-Star until I did the online consult with Titleist about which ball to play. Without discussing any data, the team member said ProV1 was the better choice of the tour offerings, so I have been using them ever since he sent me the sample boxes. I just forgot to take the old ProV1x's out of my bag. Lesson learned. 

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3 Wood:callaway-small: Mavrik 15°

Hybrid: :callaway-small:Mavrik Pro 3 Hybrid 20°

Irons

4-6:titelist-small: T200

7-PW:Miura: CB-301

Wedges

:mizuno-small: T20 50/7 Satin (bent to 48/5); T20 54/14 Blue Ion

:ping-small: Glide 3.0 Eye2 60/8

Putter:odyssey-small: Toulon Design Stroke Lab Las Vegas with H7 neck

Ball: :titelist-small: ProV1

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14 hours ago, jlukes said:

Yes. I’m a high ball hitter so I play the standard pro v1 because the ProV1x launches and spins too much for me

Ball fitting is just as important as club fitting 

So so true. If I play the wrong ball I can get a 6 iron to roll out 3 feet, a neat trick though not very functional if there is too much wind. Nice reminder for everyone.

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This absolutely makes a big difference and what you are seeing is real. I recently did a virtual ball fitting with Titleist and switched to the ProV1X Left Dash. It has all the same characteristics as the X, but with lower spin. My course has all raised greens, many of which have false fronts. I hit the ball with a lot of spin and playing the X, I often hit a shot to the middle of the green, only to have it spin back off the green. I tried a sleeve of left dash and the results were amazing. Just ordered a bunch during Titleist’s promo. Here is a link to the review of left dash.

https://mygolfspy.com/ball-lab-titleist-pro-v1-left-dash-review/

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Too high of a launch angle and spin rate are not good.  You'll lose distance, hit more wayward shots, and struggle in the wind.  

I recently got fitted for clubs, and part of the fitting equation was reducing my launch angle and spin rate.  Both are too high.  We worked to control those and also discussed appropriate balls for me.  I've always played the ProV1x because I liked the higher launch angle (I had no idea my launch angle was too high).  

The fitter suggested using a ProV1 instead.  It's made a big difference by cutting down on the sideways misses, making my distances with irons more consistent, and reducing the times I spin the ball back off the green--even as I used my old irons while waiting for my new ones.  I'm pretty happy with the ProV1s, but once I run out of ProV1s, I'm planning to do a ball fitting to see what else is out there from other brands.   

Like @jlukes said, a ball fitting is important too.  Best of luck to you.  

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I used to think this but today proved me wrong. On firm greens I couldn’t hold anything with my Left Dash. Switched to the MTB-X and everything started to hold

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