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A very popular ball among most golfers.  See how it performed according to Ball Lab

https://mygolfspy.com/ball-lab-top-flite-gamer-golf-ball-review/

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Wow, I don't think I'll be buying any Top Flite Gamers 😲.  The Titleist Velocity would be a much better option at this design/price point.

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The article is too late!  Like @fozcycle I bought 4 dozen when MGS had a code a while back.

 I haven’t really played them yet but the weather is getting warmer 🙆‍♂️

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15 hours ago, fixyurdivot said:

Wow, I don't think I'll be buying any Top Flite Gamers 😲.  The Titleist Velocity would be a much better option at this design/price point.

At 2 doz for $35, I'll keep buying these all day long.

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I love this ball! Although the ball lab score isn't great until there is a correlation between how the inconsistencies impact actual performance I'm sticking with it.

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9 hours ago, Wedgie said:

I love this ball! Although the ball lab score isn't great until there is a correlation between how the inconsistencies impact actual performance I'm sticking with it.

 

12 hours ago, russtopherb said:

At 2 doz for $35, I'll keep buying these all day long.

So do your replies suggest that the ball lab report data, and these levels of variance, fall squarely into "picking the fly-dung out of the pepper"? 🤔  Can't say for certain, but I suspect most of us wouldn't know, from play performance, whether a ball had 25% core out of concentricity... though that does seem like quite a bit and I'd guess something the folks at Top Flite (DSG) would prefer not be representative of quality level.  Don't get me wrong, I really like what Tony and crew are doing in evaluating balls, but what it really means on the course needs to be kept in perspective.  

In any case, I was in the Bozeman Costco today and picked up a 2 dozen box of the Kirkland Signature+ for $24.99.  I've played a couple of found ones in recent rounds and today one yielded a birdie, birdie finish 🥳.  Had I bogied, bogied, I would have passed on them 🙂.

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10 hours ago, fixyurdivot said:

 

So do your replies suggest that the ball lab report data, and these levels of variance, fall squarely into "picking the fly-dung out of the pepper"? 🤔  Can't say for certain, but I suspect most of us wouldn't know, from play performance, whether a ball had 25% core out of concentricity... though that does seem like quite a bit and I'd guess something the folks at Top Flite (DSG) would prefer not be representative of quality level.  Don't get me wrong, I really like what Tony and crew are doing in evaluating balls, but what it really means on the course needs to be kept in perspective.  

In any case, I was in the Bozeman Costco today and picked up a 2 dozen box of the Kirkland Signature+ for $24.99.  I've played a couple of found ones in recent rounds and today one yielded a birdie, birdie finish 🥳.  Had I bogied, bogied, I would have passed on them 🙂.

For me it's a cost/value ratio. Is an out of center core on a ball that costs less than $0.70 going to be the difference between me shooting 90 or 93? Nope. It's going to be a poor swing or poor decision.

If I was scoring in the low 80's consistently and not losing 3-4 balls per round, it's most likely a different discussion. But for someone like me, I'm going with the decent feel/response and value vs. whatever MGS says is the "better" but far more expensive ball. 

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Having tested this ball I found the ball to perform very well. Maybe I was lucky with my box of balls or maybe the concentricity issues are not significant enough to reveal itself during play.

 So there are a few questions that really never are addressed during a ball review. If the ball is deemed to be 100% round and 100% within weight limits but found to have concentricity issues what does that really do to the ball flight. How bad is bad, how much off does it have to be to be one yard off line or off an inch on a putt?  If it's just a concentricity issue and assuming the material density and weight is the same between layers, does it really make that much of a difference? The center of gravity would be the same in this case. Obviously there are density changes in the material layers but just how much makes the ball perform poorly where you would say to toss it out. Doing a salt water test you can find the light side of the ball. How fast that same spot comes to the top should tell you if the ball is bad or not, but how fast is just a judgment call. Obviously you want a different spot to come to the top, then you know the balls center of gravity is perfect. In reality how many of us put their golf balls through a salt water test? Probably way less than 1%.  So how much off really makes a ball unplayable for the average golfer to notice the abnormality during play? 

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49 minutes ago, Tom the Golf Nut said:

So there are a few questions that really never are addressed during a ball review. If the ball is deemed to be 100% round and 100% within weight limits but found to have concentricity issues what does that really do to the ball flight. How bad is bad, how much off does it have to be to be one yard off line or off an inch on a putt?  If it's just a concentricity issue and assuming the material density and weight is the same between layers, does it really make that much of a difference?

I think this is the rub - we don't really know. Yes, in controlled situations, we could measure, but since we don't know if/how much a ball has quality issues when we put it in play, we're left not really knowing if that banana ball would've been just a little straighter if the cover/core were closer to spec. Perhaps it's the difference between in-bounds and re-teeing? Perhaps not. Perhaps we make the 30-footer and perhaps it stops short. I'd argue it's all about tolerances. Sure, companies and factories have their tolerances, but players do too. Would you pay $100/dz for a ball that guaranteed no defects ever? Or go the other way - why not play water balls/refurbished balls/recycled balls? Why don't you play $10/dz balls?

Titleist did a Q&A on their Instagram stories a couple days ago where folks submitted questions and Tour players answered. Most of the questions selected were along the lines of "why do you play that ball" and every response was, "I know how the ball is going to react" or "the performance is just so consistent." At their level, yes, they should know exactly what the ball is going to do because they have that much control over their game. But at the mere-mortal level, I'm willing to pay a little bit more (not ProV1 more...) for a little assurance that when I make poor swing, I'm not doubly-punished by having a ball exacerbate my mistakes, especially since I can't isolate the source of the mistake.

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4 minutes ago, greggarner said:

I think this is the rub - we don't really know. Yes, in controlled situations, we could measure, but since we don't know if/how much a ball has quality issues when we put it in play, we're left not really knowing if that banana ball would've been just a little straighter if the cover/core were closer to spec. Perhaps it's the difference between in-bounds and re-teeing? Perhaps not. Perhaps we make the 30-footer and perhaps it stops short. I'd argue it's all about tolerances. Sure, companies and factories have their tolerances, but players do too. Would you pay $100/dz for a ball that guaranteed no defects ever? Or go the other way - why not play water balls/refurbished balls/recycled balls? Why don't you play $10/dz balls?

Titleist did a Q&A on their Instagram stories a couple days ago where folks submitted questions and Tour players answered. Most of the questions selected were along the lines of "why do you play that ball" and every response was, "I know how the ball is going to react" or "the performance is just so consistent." At their level, yes, they should know exactly what the ball is going to do because they have that much control over their game. But at the mere-mortal level, I'm willing to pay a little bit more (not ProV1 more...) for a little assurance that when I make poor swing, I'm not doubly-punished by having a ball exacerbate my mistakes, especially since I can't isolate the source of the mistake.

From the tour player aspect, consistency is the most important thing. To them, this is a game of inches, but to most of us, it usually a game of feet or yards

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On 4/30/2021 at 6:17 AM, Tom the Golf Nut said:

Having tested this ball I found the ball to perform very well. Maybe I was lucky with my box of balls or maybe the concentricity issues are not significant enough to reveal itself during play.

 So there are a few questions that really never are addressed during a ball review. If the ball is deemed to be 100% round and 100% within weight limits but found to have concentricity issues what does that really do to the ball flight. How bad is bad, how much off does it have to be to be one yard off line or off an inch on a putt?  If it's just a concentricity issue and assuming the material density and weight is the same between layers, does it really make that much of a difference? The center of gravity would be the same in this case. Obviously there are density changes in the material layers but just how much makes the ball perform poorly where you would say to toss it out. Doing a salt water test you can find the light side of the ball. How fast that same spot comes to the top should tell you if the ball is bad or not, but how fast is just a judgment call. Obviously you want a different spot to come to the top, then you know the balls center of gravity is perfect. In reality how many of us put their golf balls through a salt water test? Probably way less than 1%.  So how much off really makes a ball unplayable for the average golfer to notice the abnormality during play? 

I support everything my fellow tester of the Gamer balls for MyGolf Spy has to say. Check out our reviews here (https://forum.mygolfspy.com/topic/42412-2020-official-member-review-top-flite-gamer-golf-balls/#comments

Seeing these Ball Lab results is not a massive shocker given the price of the ball and brand perception of Top Flite. That being said, I agree with @Tom the Golf Nut that where the cut offs are for a "bad ball" and "average" is very vague. Having played the Gamers extensively, I definitely lost my fair share, but I attributed those to poor swings. I can't recall a ball I struck well and thought "that traveled poorly because of something with the ball." 

As a fairly average to slightly above average golfer, I can say that I did not notice a difference in flights on balls I hit with the Gamer compared to others I played at the time (Snell MTB-X, Callaway ChromeSoft/X, TP5X, ProV1/x, Srixon Z-Star). The balls I hit well all went straight and about the same distance with all clubs with minor deviations attributed to weather. The balls I hit poorly were all equally off target. As someone like myself that's only played just over 50 rounds since starting golfing regularly last April, I am just now discerning differences in golf balls, like how the ProV1X's higher launch and spin causes me to hit high spinners that greatly reduce my distance in the wind.

I'd be interested in buying another sleeve of Gamers and testing them again to see flight differences between ones in the same sleeve and a sleeve of other balls to try and quantify any inconsistencies, but I am not necessarily consistent enough with my swing to repeat the same shot more than once.

 

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I was in the testing of this ball at yhe end of last year.

My bad shots weren't from a defective ball.

All of the ones I played ( 6 or 7) performed the same.

I'm going to update my test, soon.

It appears that ( for me) this is a warm weather ball.

The feel and sound ( clicky) in cool weather should disappear in warmer temps.

I'm not a Pro V1 player either, but I definitely can't play one in cool\ cold weather.

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Is it *really* a 3 piece ball? 

Topflite_Gamer_core-1.jpg

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On 5/4/2021 at 7:03 AM, Imp said:

Is it *really* a 3 piece ball? 

Topflite_Gamer_core-1.jpg

The area you have labelled as 3 and 4 are all the same material.  Golf ball manufacturers have a way of "cooking" the cores during construction, kind of like cooking food in an oven, that will cause the core material to have a gradient like compression as well as  change the look of the core like in your photo.   It is a very common practice to fine tune performance.  While it looks like there are two separate cores, it really is just one.  Still a 3 piece ball.

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