golfgame Posted April 29, 2021 Share Posted April 29, 2021 Do you have any charts or data on this? The difference in distance of two golf shots that are exactly the same in all aspects with the only difference being a 13* head and a 16* head? Quote Link to comment
null Posted April 29, 2021 Share Posted April 29, 2021 There are no charts or data on this because there are no absolutes. If you are assuming clubhead speed, strike location, dynamic loft, angle of attack, path and face angle are all of the same then the only conclusions you can make are: 13* head will have more ball speed, launch lower, and spin less while the 16* degree head will have less ball speed, launch higher and spin more Blueberry_Squishie, RickyBobby_PR, Golfspy_CG2 and 1 other 4 Quote Link to comment
ballplayer002003 Posted April 29, 2021 Share Posted April 29, 2021 I will say, this past week I dialed my driver up from 9 degrees to 10 and I am bombing drives. That one degree has made a big difference for me. MNUte 1 Quote Driver: Epic Flash Sub Zero Hzdrs Smoke x flex 70g 3 Wood: 917 w/ Diamana Whiteboard stiff 5 Wood : Epic Flash 18* Hzdrs Smoke stiff 4 Hybrid: TSi3 Hzdrs Smoke X flex Irons: 5-7 Apex forged 19 w/ Modus 120 X 9-A Apex Pro 19 w/ Modus 120 X Wedges: MD5 52&56 Jaws Dynamic Gold wedge flex Putter: Scotty Cameron Phantom 5.5 34" Link to comment
MNUte Posted April 29, 2021 Share Posted April 29, 2021 1 hour ago, ballplayer002003 said: I will say, this past week I dialed my driver up from 9 degrees to 10 and I am bombing drives. That one degree has made a big difference for me. Whereas in contrast bumping mine from 10 to 11 is what did the trick for me since I was launching too low. Quote Rag tag bag, but it does the job. Taylormade R1 driver. Ping G400 3 wood. Cleveland Halo Launcher 3 hybrid. Cleveland CBX launcher irons (5-PW). Assorted wedges (48, 52, 58). Odyssey White Hot Pro 2.0 putter. Link to comment
cnosil Posted April 29, 2021 Share Posted April 29, 2021 Really hard to guess because everyone is different. for simplicity of comparison; think about irons that have 3/4 degrees between them but the higher lofted has roughly a half inch shorter shaft. Depending on swing speed most people see a 10 to 20 yard difference between clubs. When you get to those lower lofted clubs like 13* they are harder to hit and people so the gaps become harder to predict. Player 1 may hit the 13* 20 yards shorter than the 16* and player 2 may hit it 30 yards longer. This is why it is important to try clubs an get some type of fitting to compare. Larryd3 and RickyBobby_PR 2 Quote Driver: G400 Max 9* w/ KBS Tour Driven Fairway: TS3 15* w/Project X Hzardous Smoke Hybrids: 915H 21* w/KBS Tour Graphite Hybrid Prototype 915H 24* w/KBS Tour Graphite Hybrid Prototype Irons: TR20V 6-11 w/Vizard TR20-85 Graphite Wedge: 54/12D, 60/8M w/:Accra iWedge 90 Graphite Putter: Sacks Parente MC 3 Stripe Backup Putters: Milled Collection RSX 2, mFGP2, Futura 5W, TM-180 Member: MGS Hitsquad since 2017 Link to comment
Hook DeLoft Posted April 29, 2021 Share Posted April 29, 2021 In practical terms, I think the previous replies are right. Too many variables, but you could design a test for this if you had the resources. You could build a club with the exact same specs (shaft, length, lie, club head weight, etc) with the only exception being loft and test the clubs using a Iron Byron type of robot. I've never seen an article or chart of such info, but it may be out there. Quote 14 of the following: Ping G430 Max 10.5 degree Callaway 2023 Big Bertha 3 wood set to 17 degrees Cobra F9 Speedback 7/8 wood set at 23.5 degrees Callaway Epic Max 11 wood Ping Eye 2 BeCu 2-SW Mizuno 923 JPX HM HL 6-GW Hogan sand wedge 56 degree bent to 53 Maltby M Series+ 54 degree Ping Glide 3.0 Eye2 58 degree Ping Glide 3.0 60 degree Evnroll ER2 Ping Sigma 2 Anser Cheap Top Flite mallet putter from Dick's, currently holding down first place in the bag TaylorMade Mini Spider Bridgestone XS Link to comment
revkev Posted April 29, 2021 Share Posted April 29, 2021 Somewhere out there and on here is a trackman chart that gives the ideal launch/spin rates for a given swing speed. I don't know however if a chart exists that will answer your question. You can't speculate without a couple of other data points - you need swing speed and angle ck. If you had those items and then had two clubs that were the same length, you could make a determination. I'm confident that at a slower swing speed the more lofted club would carry farther and that the cross over speed would change based on AoA. At those lofts you're basically creating my dilemna - you'd thing the 13 would go farther but because of my moderate Swing Speed and shallow AoA I will hit the 16 longer every time off the turf. Larryd3 and cnosil 2 Quote Taylor Made Stealth 2 10.5 Diamana S plus 60 Aldila R flex - 42.25 inches SMT 4 wood bassara R flex, four wood head, 3 wood shaft Ping G410 7, 9 wood Alta 65 R flex Srixon ZX5 MK II 5-GW - UST recoil Dart 65 R flex India 52,56 (60 pending) UST recoil 75's R flex Evon roll ER 5 32 inches It's our offseason so auditioning candidates - looking for that right mix of low spin long, more spin around the greens - TBD Link to comment
Crane263 Posted April 29, 2021 Share Posted April 29, 2021 4 hours ago, MNUte said: Whereas in contrast bumping mine from 10 to 11 is what did the trick for me since I was launching too low. I’m exact opposite I have my 9* turned down to 8* Quote Cobra f9 titleist ts3 3 wood and 4 hybrid titlesist u500 2 iron srixon z forged 5-pw cleveland zip core 50 and 55 taylormade high toe 60 taylormade spider x Link to comment
Pandaman Posted April 30, 2021 Share Posted April 30, 2021 If you have an adjustable wood or hybrid you can experiment. Quote Link to comment
Shapotomous Posted April 30, 2021 Share Posted April 30, 2021 @revkev is this the chart you were thinking of?? Ping has one also but I couldn't get it to save in an acceptable file format to upload. Quote Modern Bag: G410 LST 10.5*, Hzrdus Smoke RDX 6.5 Flex; 915F 3w, Diamana S+ 70 S flex; Snake Eyes 18* 2h, 23* 4h & 27* 5h; JPX 900 Forged 6 - PW, PX LZ 6.0; Edison 2.0 49*, 53*, 57* KBS Tour 120 S; Heppler Fetch; Ball - MTB-X; Bag - Jones MyGolfSpy Edition! Shot Scope H4, MG600 Rangefinder Classic Bag: Driver - Persimmon; 3w - Speed Slot; 5w - Tour Block; 3 - pw - Dynapower; sw - Ram Tom Watson; putter - bullseye standard or flange. Link to comment
revkev Posted April 30, 2021 Share Posted April 30, 2021 Yes, that’s it - I hadn’t looked at it in a while. I know that I normally measure 3 up when I’m on trackman - interestingly I’m carrying driver in the low 230’s according to Rapsodo when I get my SS to 100 and according to this up 5 would carry 239 so the Rapsodo is probably spot on there and I’m more likely 3 up still. Cool Shapotomous 1 Quote Taylor Made Stealth 2 10.5 Diamana S plus 60 Aldila R flex - 42.25 inches SMT 4 wood bassara R flex, four wood head, 3 wood shaft Ping G410 7, 9 wood Alta 65 R flex Srixon ZX5 MK II 5-GW - UST recoil Dart 65 R flex India 52,56 (60 pending) UST recoil 75's R flex Evon roll ER 5 32 inches It's our offseason so auditioning candidates - looking for that right mix of low spin long, more spin around the greens - TBD Link to comment
revkev Posted April 30, 2021 Share Posted April 30, 2021 20 hours ago, Crane263 said: I’m exact opposite I have my 9* turned down to 8* This is exactly why they make adjustable heads and it’s important to get fit. Also adjusting a club dies change the characteristics a bit - it opens or shuts the club face so a 14.5 base turned up to 16 will be closed while turned down to 13 will be open. Still it could give an idea for sure. Shapotomous 1 Quote Taylor Made Stealth 2 10.5 Diamana S plus 60 Aldila R flex - 42.25 inches SMT 4 wood bassara R flex, four wood head, 3 wood shaft Ping G410 7, 9 wood Alta 65 R flex Srixon ZX5 MK II 5-GW - UST recoil Dart 65 R flex India 52,56 (60 pending) UST recoil 75's R flex Evon roll ER 5 32 inches It's our offseason so auditioning candidates - looking for that right mix of low spin long, more spin around the greens - TBD Link to comment
Crane263 Posted April 30, 2021 Share Posted April 30, 2021 7 hours ago, revkev said: This is exactly why they make adjustable heads and it’s important to get fit. Also adjusting a club dies change the characteristics a bit - it opens or shuts the club face so a 14.5 base turned up to 16 will be closed while turned down to 13 will be open. Still it could give an idea for sure. For sure my cobra speed zone is at 8 but I played the 2016 m1 at 10.5 and the m3 at 9.5. I like open club faces I wear out the left side lol revkev 1 Quote Cobra f9 titleist ts3 3 wood and 4 hybrid titlesist u500 2 iron srixon z forged 5-pw cleveland zip core 50 and 55 taylormade high toe 60 taylormade spider x Link to comment
revkev Posted May 1, 2021 Share Posted May 1, 2021 14 hours ago, Crane263 said: For sure my cobra speed zone is at 8 but I played the 2016 m1 at 10.5 and the m3 at 9.5. I like open club faces I wear out the left side lol I have a G410 LST and a G410 Max - One is a 10.5 and the other a 12 - I can get both set to 11.25 which is just about right for me but more of my misses are left if I'm lofting up and right if I'm lofting down. It's pretty interesting. Quote Taylor Made Stealth 2 10.5 Diamana S plus 60 Aldila R flex - 42.25 inches SMT 4 wood bassara R flex, four wood head, 3 wood shaft Ping G410 7, 9 wood Alta 65 R flex Srixon ZX5 MK II 5-GW - UST recoil Dart 65 R flex India 52,56 (60 pending) UST recoil 75's R flex Evon roll ER 5 32 inches It's our offseason so auditioning candidates - looking for that right mix of low spin long, more spin around the greens - TBD Link to comment
cnosil Posted May 1, 2021 Share Posted May 1, 2021 45 minutes ago, revkev said: I have a G410 LST and a G410 Max - One is a 10.5 and the other a 12 - I can get both set to 11.25 which is just about right for me but more of my misses are left if I'm lofting up and right if I'm lofting down. It's pretty interesting. Because lofting down is partially accomplished by opening the face and lofting up closes the face...provided you place the club on the ground as part of your setup. revkev 1 Quote Driver: G400 Max 9* w/ KBS Tour Driven Fairway: TS3 15* w/Project X Hzardous Smoke Hybrids: 915H 21* w/KBS Tour Graphite Hybrid Prototype 915H 24* w/KBS Tour Graphite Hybrid Prototype Irons: TR20V 6-11 w/Vizard TR20-85 Graphite Wedge: 54/12D, 60/8M w/:Accra iWedge 90 Graphite Putter: Sacks Parente MC 3 Stripe Backup Putters: Milled Collection RSX 2, mFGP2, Futura 5W, TM-180 Member: MGS Hitsquad since 2017 Link to comment
Crane263 Posted May 2, 2021 Share Posted May 2, 2021 On 5/1/2021 at 9:55 AM, revkev said: I have a G410 LST and a G410 Max - One is a 10.5 and the other a 12 - I can get both set to 11.25 which is just about right for me but more of my misses are left if I'm lofting up and right if I'm lofting down. It's pretty interesting. Yeah I tested the tsi3 and the weight all the way on the toe trying to make it more left to right but it felt really weird in the swing I’ve just come to the conclusion I have to buy higher loft and loft it down then aim up the right unless I need a 40 yard slice, cause that’s what my cut swing like to do!! revkev 1 Quote Cobra f9 titleist ts3 3 wood and 4 hybrid titlesist u500 2 iron srixon z forged 5-pw cleveland zip core 50 and 55 taylormade high toe 60 taylormade spider x Link to comment
revkev Posted May 2, 2021 Share Posted May 2, 2021 1 hour ago, Crane263 said: Yeah I tested the tsi3 and the weight all the way on the toe trying to make it more left to right but it felt really weird in the swing I’ve just come to the conclusion I have to buy higher loft and loft it down then aim up the right unless I need a 40 yard slice, cause that’s what my cut swing like to do!! My cut swing likes to hook! Crane263 1 Quote Taylor Made Stealth 2 10.5 Diamana S plus 60 Aldila R flex - 42.25 inches SMT 4 wood bassara R flex, four wood head, 3 wood shaft Ping G410 7, 9 wood Alta 65 R flex Srixon ZX5 MK II 5-GW - UST recoil Dart 65 R flex India 52,56 (60 pending) UST recoil 75's R flex Evon roll ER 5 32 inches It's our offseason so auditioning candidates - looking for that right mix of low spin long, more spin around the greens - TBD Link to comment
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