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Do you have any charts or data on this?  The difference in distance of two golf shots that are exactly the same in all aspects with the only difference being a 13* head and a 16* head?

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There are no charts or data on this because there are no absolutes.

If you are assuming clubhead speed, strike location, dynamic loft, angle of attack, path and face angle are all of the same then the only conclusions you can make are:

13* head will have more ball speed, launch lower, and spin less while the 16* degree head will have less ball speed, launch higher and spin more 

 

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I will say, this past week I dialed my driver up from 9 degrees to 10 and I am bombing drives.  That one degree has made a big difference for me.  

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1 hour ago, ballplayer002003 said:

I will say, this past week I dialed my driver up from 9 degrees to 10 and I am bombing drives.  That one degree has made a big difference for me.  

Whereas in contrast bumping mine from 10 to 11 is what did the trick for me since I was launching too low.

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Cleveland CBX launcher irons. 

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Really hard to guess because everyone is different.  for simplicity of comparison; think about irons that have 3/4 degrees between them but the higher lofted has roughly a half inch shorter shaft.  Depending on swing speed most people see a 10 to 20 yard difference between clubs.  When you get to those lower lofted clubs like 13* they are harder to hit and people so the gaps become harder to predict.   Player 1 may hit the 13* 20 yards shorter than the 16* and player 2 may hit it 30 yards longer.
 

This is why it is important to try clubs an get some type of fitting to compare.  

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In practical terms, I think the previous replies are right.  Too many variables, but you could design a test for this if you had the resources.  You could build a club with the exact same specs (shaft, length, lie, club head weight, etc) with the only exception being loft and test the clubs using a Iron Byron type of robot.  I've never seen an article or chart of such info, but it may be out there.

14 of the following:

Ping G400 Max

Cobra King F9 Speedback 3 wood

Callaway Big Bertha Heavenwood

Cobra F9 Speedback 7/8 wood set at 23.5 degrees

Taylormade M4 5 hybrid

Callaway Mavrik Max 6-GW

PXG 0211 5-GW

PXG 0211 sand wedge bent to 53 degrees

Maltby M Series+ 54 degree

Ping Glide 3.0 Eye2 58 degree

Ping Sigma 2 Anser

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Somewhere out there and on here is a trackman chart that gives the ideal launch/spin rates for a given swing speed. 

 

I don't know however if a chart exists that will answer your question.  You can't speculate without a couple of other data points - you need swing speed and angle ck.  If you had those items and then had two clubs that were the same length, you could make a determination.  I'm confident that at a slower swing speed the more lofted club would carry farther and that the cross over speed would change based on AoA.  

 

At those lofts you're basically creating my dilemna - you'd thing the 13 would go farther but because of my moderate Swing Speed and shallow AoA I will hit the 16 longer every time off the turf.  

 

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EVNRoll ER 5

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Tour Exotics 3 wood is in the bag because we are allowed 14 clubs.  It's a great club for pulling balls out of the water or from bushes - you never want to put your hand into anything in Florida unless you are absolutely certain that it's safe.  There are rare wind conditions when I might hit it off the tee on a few holes that I play.  

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4 hours ago, MNUte said:

Whereas in contrast bumping mine from 10 to 11 is what did the trick for me since I was launching too low.

I’m exact opposite I have my 9* turned down to 8* 

Cobra f9

titleist ts3 3 wood and 4 hybrid

titlesist u500 2 iron

srixon z forged 5-pw

cleveland zip core 50 and 55

taylormade high toe 60

taylormade spider x 

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@revkev  is this the chart you were thinking of??  Ping has one also but I couldn't get it to save in an acceptable file format to upload.

 

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Yes, that’s it - I hadn’t looked at it in a while.  I know that I normally measure 3 up when I’m on trackman - interestingly I’m carrying driver in the low 230’s according to Rapsodo when I get my SS to 100 and according to this up 5 would carry 239 so the Rapsodo is probably spot on there and I’m more likely 3 up still.

 

Cool 🙂

 

 

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Wilson D7 forged 6-GW -  Mamiya recoil 460 R flex

Edison Wedges 54 and 59 KBS Tour Graphite 80's

EVNRoll ER 5

Titleist Pro VIx optic yellow with revkev stamped on them

Tour Exotics 3 wood is in the bag because we are allowed 14 clubs.  It's a great club for pulling balls out of the water or from bushes - you never want to put your hand into anything in Florida unless you are absolutely certain that it's safe.  There are rare wind conditions when I might hit it off the tee on a few holes that I play.  

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20 hours ago, Crane263 said:

I’m exact opposite I have my 9* turned down to 8* 

This is exactly why they make adjustable heads and it’s important to get fit. 🙂

 

Also adjusting a club dies change the characteristics a bit - it opens or shuts the club face so a 14.5 base turned up to 16 will be closed while turned down to 13 will be open.  Still it could give an idea for sure.

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Taylor Made Sim2  10.5 (Opened 1 click) Ventus Blue 5  R flex

Ping G410 5-9 wood  Alta 65 R flex

Wilson D7 forged 6-GW -  Mamiya recoil 460 R flex

Edison Wedges 54 and 59 KBS Tour Graphite 80's

EVNRoll ER 5

Titleist Pro VIx optic yellow with revkev stamped on them

Tour Exotics 3 wood is in the bag because we are allowed 14 clubs.  It's a great club for pulling balls out of the water or from bushes - you never want to put your hand into anything in Florida unless you are absolutely certain that it's safe.  There are rare wind conditions when I might hit it off the tee on a few holes that I play.  

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7 hours ago, revkev said:

This is exactly why they make adjustable heads and it’s important to get fit. 🙂

 

Also adjusting a club dies change the characteristics a bit - it opens or shuts the club face so a 14.5 base turned up to 16 will be closed while turned down to 13 will be open.  Still it could give an idea for sure.

For sure my cobra speed zone is at 8 but I played the 2016 m1 at 10.5 and the m3 at 9.5. I like open club faces I wear out the left side lol

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titleist ts3 3 wood and 4 hybrid

titlesist u500 2 iron

srixon z forged 5-pw

cleveland zip core 50 and 55

taylormade high toe 60

taylormade spider x 

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14 hours ago, Crane263 said:

For sure my cobra speed zone is at 8 but I played the 2016 m1 at 10.5 and the m3 at 9.5. I like open club faces I wear out the left side lol

I have a G410 LST and a G410 Max - One is a 10.5 and the other a 12 - I can get both set to 11.25 which is just about right for me but more of my misses are left if I'm lofting up and right if I'm lofting down.  It's pretty interesting.  

Taylor Made Sim2  10.5 (Opened 1 click) Ventus Blue 5  R flex

Ping G410 5-9 wood  Alta 65 R flex

Wilson D7 forged 6-GW -  Mamiya recoil 460 R flex

Edison Wedges 54 and 59 KBS Tour Graphite 80's

EVNRoll ER 5

Titleist Pro VIx optic yellow with revkev stamped on them

Tour Exotics 3 wood is in the bag because we are allowed 14 clubs.  It's a great club for pulling balls out of the water or from bushes - you never want to put your hand into anything in Florida unless you are absolutely certain that it's safe.  There are rare wind conditions when I might hit it off the tee on a few holes that I play.  

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45 minutes ago, revkev said:

I have a G410 LST and a G410 Max - One is a 10.5 and the other a 12 - I can get both set to 11.25 which is just about right for me but more of my misses are left if I'm lofting up and right if I'm lofting down.  It's pretty interesting.  

Because lofting down is partially accomplished by opening the face and lofting up closes the face...provided you place the club on the ground as part of your setup. 

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On 5/1/2021 at 9:55 AM, revkev said:

I have a G410 LST and a G410 Max - One is a 10.5 and the other a 12 - I can get both set to 11.25 which is just about right for me but more of my misses are left if I'm lofting up and right if I'm lofting down.  It's pretty interesting.  

Yeah I tested the tsi3 and the weight all the way on the toe trying to make it more left to right but it felt really weird in the swing I’ve just come to the conclusion I have to buy higher loft and loft it down then aim up the right unless I need a 40 yard slice, cause that’s what my cut swing like to do!!

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Cobra f9

titleist ts3 3 wood and 4 hybrid

titlesist u500 2 iron

srixon z forged 5-pw

cleveland zip core 50 and 55

taylormade high toe 60

taylormade spider x 

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1 hour ago, Crane263 said:

Yeah I tested the tsi3 and the weight all the way on the toe trying to make it more left to right but it felt really weird in the swing I’ve just come to the conclusion I have to buy higher loft and loft it down then aim up the right unless I need a 40 yard slice, cause that’s what my cut swing like to do!!

My cut swing likes to hook! 🙂

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Taylor Made Sim2  10.5 (Opened 1 click) Ventus Blue 5  R flex

Ping G410 5-9 wood  Alta 65 R flex

Wilson D7 forged 6-GW -  Mamiya recoil 460 R flex

Edison Wedges 54 and 59 KBS Tour Graphite 80's

EVNRoll ER 5

Titleist Pro VIx optic yellow with revkev stamped on them

Tour Exotics 3 wood is in the bag because we are allowed 14 clubs.  It's a great club for pulling balls out of the water or from bushes - you never want to put your hand into anything in Florida unless you are absolutely certain that it's safe.  There are rare wind conditions when I might hit it off the tee on a few holes that I play.  

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