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This has already started off as a very good thread. I really like the "catcher's mitt" analogy, I'm working on putting something similar into my pre-shot routine to help with my sequencing a bit. I also struggle with coming back really inside at times and always am working to avoid that.

Looking forward to seeing your progress!

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54 minutes ago, edingc said:

This has already started off as a very good thread. I really like the "catcher's mitt" analogy, I'm working on putting something similar into my pre-shot routine to help with my sequencing a bit. I also struggle with coming back really inside at times and always am working to avoid that.

Looking forward to seeing your progress!

Thanks bud!  I really found the Athletic Motion Golf video to be very insightful and useful.  Understanding just how minimal the best golfers’ on the planet get their lead arm moving across their chest gave me a clear goal to shoot for.  I feel like I have a target in mind ve flying blind.

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21 hours ago, ChasingScratch said:

The Swing Issues

I've had it.  The last two rounds I have played were the most horrific ball-striking rounds in recent memory.

For someone 'chasing scratch', I'm not hitting the ball near well enough to even sniff it.  Toe hooks, straight hooks, push fades, fat, thin, topped shots, it feels like I'm a brand new golfer all over again who never swung a club.

So here are the first few things I'm working on:

1) Takeaway

-For most of my recent golfing life, I've been very flat in the backswing, but planed the club well into the slot on the way down.  It was simple, keep it below the plane of glass on the way back and through.  No biggie (see video below):

-Most golf instructors would probably like for me to get my hands a bit higher in the backswing and have more of a 'hands in the catcher's mitt position on the way back.  I get my right arm very bent (more than 90*) and hands close to my right shoulder at the top of the backswing.

Athletic Motion Golf says they've had lots of tour pros on their 3D motion capture and that they have never measured one where the left arm was more than 20* inside the stance line at the top of the swing.  I know I get way 'deeper' than that with how much inside the stance line my lead arm is.  See video below for their thoughts:

This is my first point of emphasis.  I want the hands and club in the catcher's mitt (think of Justin Thomas' pre-shot routine) on the way back so I have room in the downswing to have a more neutral path through impact.

2) Width in the backswing

-When I was a Junior in college, the Tiger Woods commercial (the one where he was in all black and it was a super slow-mo of his swing) was all the rage (see below).  I remember admiring the width he created in his backswing and emulated it.  For the next few years, all my buddies envied the 'width' I maintained.  Over time, I started reading Ben Hogan and studying his swing which lead me down the one-plane and compact swing path.  I've played well with it, but I'm off the rails now.  Too much of a good thing can lead to disaster. 

 

The Plan

For now, the plan will be to work in the garage on these two things.  I'm going to commit to at least 100 reps per day from the start of the backswing to the 'hands in the catchers' mitt position.  From there, I'll take it back to the top feeling width and making sure the lead arm stays within that <20* reference point from the AMG video.  I'll have lines on my matt where I will measure 20* inside the stance line and try to stay in front of that (as my reference point).  I will try to not care about contact for now and just focus on those things.

I'll probably try and film the practice sessions so people interested can have something to follow along with.

Let's get better!

They actually say they’ve never measured 20*, and twice in the videos they show 11*-12*. Be mindful that 20* is almost twice that. I know you’re trying to stay inside 20*, but just pointing out what they show just in-case.

Good luck!!!! I’ve developed a bad habit of taking my club back way inside after years of being “on-plane”, and it’s not fun trying to get back to where it should be. Sounds like you have a great plan and are working that plan. Good stuff!!!! 

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36 minutes ago, ChasingScratch said:

Thanks bud!  I really found the Athletic Motion Golf video to be very insightful and useful.  Understanding just how minimal the best golfers’ on the planet get their lead arm moving across their chest gave me a clear goal to shoot for.  I feel like I have a target in mind ve flying blind.

I think this is why so many players come so inside.  I saw a different video on the same topic and instantly changed my 6+ in to out swing to basically neutral with no loss on the swing.  I am working it back toward the 2/3* point.  This fact was something I never knew and is so insightful that I am surprised that it isn’t a golf fundamental.  

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2 hours ago, PMookie said:

They actually say they’ve never measured 20*, and twice in the videos they show 11*-12*. Be mindful that 20* is almost twice that. I know you’re trying to stay inside 20*, but just pointing out what they show just in-case.

Good luck!!!! I’ve developed a bad habit of taking my club back way inside after years of being “on-plane”, and it’s not fun trying to get back to where it should be. Sounds like you have a great plan and are working that plan. Good stuff!!!! 

Yes, exactly on the 20* (that’s what I wrote in the original post, that they never measured someone over 20*).  It’s just a goal to reach for because I’m so far past 20*, I know they said 11-12*, but baby steps to get there.

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45 minutes ago, cnosil said:

I think this is why so many players come so inside.  I saw a different video on the same topic and instantly changed my 6+ in to out swing to basically neutral with no loss on the swing.  I am working it back toward the 2/3* point.  This fact was something I never knew and is so insightful that I am surprised that it isn’t a golf fundamental.  

Yes indeed, it is so drastically different than what many think it should be that knowing what the best do is a big eye opener.  I saw another video where they said 100% of their students (AMG) tell them that the arms move across the chest in the backswing.  Crazy.

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Saw this drill Natalie Gulbis says she is working on.  Notice how it looks like  the arms stay in front of the chest.  Lead arm swings up, not across the chest, similar to the ‘catch drill’ (from AMG) I show in my day 1 video:

https://www.instagram.com/p/COawek_Dcft/?igshid=10625bblzp2cy

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14 hours ago, ChasingScratch said:

Here is Day 1.  Just a visual for those curious to see what I'm working on and how I'm progressing:

 

Started watching the video and it reminded me of this post: https://www.instagram.com/p/COTuDVpt6Ls/?igshid=n4z5qsj7tvz3

I’ve attached the images if you can’t view the link. 
Very interesting that you are taking about lead arm angle at the top of the backswing and this post shows some top tour pros with very close to the same lead arm angle. Wrist hinge and angle tend to vary but the lead arms seem very consistent. 

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6 minutes ago, SkilledByDesign said:

Started watching the video and it reminded me of this post: https://www.instagram.com/p/COTuDVpt6Ls/?igshid=n4z5qsj7tvz3

I’ve attached the images if you can’t view the link. 
Very interesting that you are taking about lead arm angle at the top of the backswing and this post shows some top tour pros with very close to the same lead arm angle. Wrist hinge and angle tend to vary but the lead arms seem very consistent. 

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Yes!!!  Apparently there is a big illusion because cameras see in 2D rather than 3D.  In the backswing, to us watching on TV it looks like they all have their lead arms pinned across their chests or inside the line.  But when looking in 3D or from above, that lead arm is only 11-12 degrees inside that stance line.  Again, the Athletic Motion Golf videos really changed how I view this.  There is another guy named Jim Waldron who was discussing this illusion back in the 1990s (see link here).

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Good progress was made today.  I continued the drills I did yesterday but exaggerated the 'up' portion of the backswing a bit more.  I made another short video of what I did today and how things unfolded.  Take a look if interested. I ended up getting really close to a true 'one plane' swing, where the backswing plane and downswing plane match up with the shaft angle at address.  Usually, I am inside and under the plane on the backswing, but back on the plane in the downswing.  

Here is the video:

I started out with too much under and inside, and a little to much above the plane on the downswing, but by the end, I was spot on.  Here is a sequence of the swing:

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Day 3 in the books!  I felt like I made more progress today. The upright 'on plane' backswing with the arms in front of my chest feels engrained pretty well.  Now I'm working on setup and feeling like I am staying tall in the swing.  Looking at the swings on camera, it feels like I'm coming across the line on the downswing, but maybe that is just because I'm so used to coming way from the inside.  The plane from the ball to my shoulders (Hogan's famous plane of glass) does not appear to be shattered on the downswing, so maybe all is well.  I still get it back to the shaft plane at impact. 

Here is the video from today:

 

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Day 4 was more of the same.  Focusing on swinging more 'up' in the backswing and staying tall throughout the swing (especially the downswing).  

I could still go a bit more 'up' in the backswing with the arms, but it looks like it it is tracking the target line on the way back much better than before with my prior swing.  Here's the video:

 

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Day 5 in the books.

I feel like I am starting to understand why some instructors teach the trail hand forearm matching the spine angle on the backswing.  It keeps the hands in front of the chest for me and allows room in the downswing.

I was also able to play nine holes today.  This was the first time I'd hit balls outside since starting this overhaul.  Lots of what I predicted happened.  Higher trajectory than I am accustomed to with my irons with no distance lost.  I was also able to hit my 3 and 5 woods off the deck flush (had been an issue for me as of late).  I was able to play another nine, but only hit tee to green (did not putt).  One highlight was hitting a 540yd par 5 (into the wind) in two with driver then 5 wood.  Hit it to 18ft.

Wedges were nice and high and actually went farther than I normally play them.  Chipping was improved as well.  Driver was a tight cut for the most part.  Still need to play around with it though.  I did have a big pull miss at times.  I took some video from the nine holes to see what my "playing" swing looked like and where it differed from the garage where I can only hit 9iron.

My lead leg was doing some funky things during a few tee shots (one with an iron and one with driver) that caused the massive pulls.  Really funky and something that has never happened to me before.  But that is par for the course when you make massive swing changes.  I'll put that video together as soon as I can.

Overall, this has been a successful project thus far.  I had 7 pars, 1 birdie, and 1 triple bogey on that nine holes.  I also had a few other makeable birdie looks as well.  The course is under renovation so they are killing the greens.  Doesn't help the birdie looks...  The triple came from two really stupid decisions with strategy.  It happens.

Here is the video from today's garage work:

 

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Took some video of the first outing (nine holes) with the swing changes.  Lots of positives and the ball flight was pretty much exactly what I thought it would be.  Higher with irons and wedges and a tight cut.

I had a few loose swings.  Big miss is the double-cross pull hard left.  I just have to hold the release longer and it fades pretty much every time.

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16 hours ago, ChasingScratch said:

Took some video of the first outing (nine holes) with the swing changes.  Lots of positives and the ball flight was pretty much exactly what I thought it would be.  Higher with irons and wedges and a tight cut.

I had a few loose swings.  Big miss is the double-cross pull hard left.  I just have to hold the release longer and it fades pretty much every time.

Here is the video:

 

where did you play that they are making a members only course?

 

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33 minutes ago, MrBandit said:

where did you play that they are making a members only course?

 

I’ll text you as to protect the identity of the goat track lol.

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Swing looks good .. very stress less round.

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3 -Wood: TourEdge Exotic C721 13.5 with Hrdz RDX Blue Stiff
4-Hybrid: Cobra King F9 Hybrid
Irons: Mizuno MP-18 MMC - 5-PW , w/SteelFiber i125
WedgesCleveland RTX 4 RAW - 52 ,56, 60
Putter: Odyssey Stroke Lab Seven S, 34in
BallsTaylorMade Tour Response, TaylorMade TPx  & Snell MTB-X-
GPS:  :skycaddie: LX5 Watch

TESTED: NIPPO N.S. Regio Formula MB+ 65 Stiff.
TESTED: SkyCaddie LX5 GPS Watch

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2 hours ago, MrBandit said:

Swing looks good .. very stress less round.

Thanks!  Like  I said, I had a few big pull misses, but that was expected.  Still need to iron things out more, but it was just good to see what the ball was doing. 

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Pre training max driver speed: 124mph

Current: 130mph

WITB:

Driver: :ping-small:G400 LST 8.5* with HZRDUS SMOKE 6.5 70g 

Woods: :taylormade-small: 2007 Burner TP 3 wood and 5 wood

Irons:  :srixon-small: Z765 4-PW (1 degree flat) with KBS $-130 shafts

Wedges:  :vokey-small: SM7 50/12/F, 54/10/S and 58/12/D

Putter: 681811256_Odysseylogo.png.499799aea6663befa411c8db1d859702.png Stroke Lab Ten S 33"

Ball:  :taylormade-small: 2019 TP5X

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6 minutes ago, ChasingScratch said:

Thanks!  Like  I said, I had a few big pull misses, but that was expected.  Still need to iron things out more, but it was just good to see what the ball was doing. 

The key is to play when it matters and see if you stay with this new swing (if muscle memory is set) or revert back to the old one.  Under pressure we tent to fall back what is natural to us, so changes to swing , chipping, putting may take a little longer to stay. 
Hopefully you can play more and put some meaningful  rounds together, seen this improvement root into your new normal.

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Driver:  TourEdge Exotic Pro 9.5 with  NIPPO N.S. Regio Formula MB+ 65 Stiff
3 -Wood: TourEdge Exotic C721 13.5 with Hrdz RDX Blue Stiff
4-Hybrid: Cobra King F9 Hybrid
Irons: Mizuno MP-18 MMC - 5-PW , w/SteelFiber i125
WedgesCleveland RTX 4 RAW - 52 ,56, 60
Putter: Odyssey Stroke Lab Seven S, 34in
BallsTaylorMade Tour Response, TaylorMade TPx  & Snell MTB-X-
GPS:  :skycaddie: LX5 Watch

TESTED: NIPPO N.S. Regio Formula MB+ 65 Stiff.
TESTED: SkyCaddie LX5 GPS Watch

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I resumed my weight lifting workouts this week.  I had taken last week off to focus on the swing change during that time.

So while I am spending less time on the swing this week, it is more about getting more and more comfortable with the changes.

I am still making minor tweaks in my feels/cues to see what gives me the most solid contact consistently.  I think I’m on to something (I’ll post more later).

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Instagram:  @tony_rosselli_

Twitter: @GolfSpy_CS

:SuperSpeed:Training

Pre training max driver speed: 124mph

Current: 130mph

WITB:

Driver: :ping-small:G400 LST 8.5* with HZRDUS SMOKE 6.5 70g 

Woods: :taylormade-small: 2007 Burner TP 3 wood and 5 wood

Irons:  :srixon-small: Z765 4-PW (1 degree flat) with KBS $-130 shafts

Wedges:  :vokey-small: SM7 50/12/F, 54/10/S and 58/12/D

Putter: 681811256_Odysseylogo.png.499799aea6663befa411c8db1d859702.png Stroke Lab Ten S 33"

Ball:  :taylormade-small: 2019 TP5X

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