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  1. 1. What training aid would you benefit more more?

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Birthday is around the corner and i think i could pull for one of these two things. The putting mat would be less wallet hit but the MLM might help my game more. Adam Young and others broke down that about 60% of your strokes come from Driving and Approach game, and that has me thinking more about the monitor. In hindsight, plyaing more could help that part of my game out as well. A putting mat (putt out has a slim version that is tempting me) could then be an everyday 5-10 minutes a day and really get my stroke down. For those of you improving your game, what route would you go? 

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I have both and for me it would be Launch Monitor all day every day. 

 

I have a putt out green collecting dust, I'll make you a good deal on it. Probably used it for 1 hour total. 

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I'm a big fan of the Swing Caddie monitors which come in a range of prices and work pretty well indoors. The 40-100 yard approach mode is great for working on partial wedges. The only thing I use my puttout mat for is to putt down a metal yardstick which could be duplicated with a $10-$20 piece of fabric or towel on hard floors. The MLM does look cool, only downside is the battery drain on phones and overheating in the sun. 

If I was ever to buy another putting mat it would be the 25' long Well Putt mat so I could do ladder drills from 10-25' in doors. The ruler is a much cheaper and more accurate way to work on start line than Putt Out. Putt Out's develop a nice groove, as long as you don't smash the putt, it becomes very easy to roll it along the channel into their pressure putt trainer (which makes a great ball return at the end of a yard stick...). 

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4 minutes ago, BMart519 said:

I'm a big fan of the Swing Caddie monitors which come in a range of prices and work pretty well indoors. The 40-100 yard approach mode is great for working on partial wedges. The only thing I use my puttout mat for is to putt down a metal yardstick which could be duplicated with a $10-$20 piece of fabric or towel on hard floors. The MLM does look cool, only downside is the battery drain on phones and overheating in the sun. 

If I was ever to buy another putting mat it would be the 25' long Well Putt mat so I could do ladder drills from 10-25' in doors. The ruler is a much cheaper and more accurate way to work on start line than Putt Out. Putt Out's develop a nice groove, as long as you don't smash the putt, it becomes very easy to roll it along the channel into their pressure putt trainer (which makes a great ball return at the end of a yard stick...). 

Which swing caddie do you have, I’m considering the sc200 plus, or the PRGR.

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1 minute ago, PawlyWalnuts said:

Which swing caddie do you have, I’m considering the sc200 plus, or the PRGR.

I went old school and got the original SC200 off eBay. 

Pro Tip - if you swing in front of it without hitting a ball, "Ball Speed" is you club speed. You don't need the SC200+ 

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1 hour ago, rbsiedsc said:

Birthday is around the corner and i think i could pull for one of these two things. The putting mat would be less wallet hit but the MLM might help my game more. Adam Young and others broke down that about 60% of your strokes come from Driving and Approach game, and that has me thinking more about the monitor. In hindsight, plyaing more could help that part of my game out as well. A putting mat (putt out has a slim version that is tempting me) could then be an everyday 5-10 minutes a day and really get my stroke down. For those of you improving your game, what route would you go? 

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I would say after one session with the Rapsodo and previously owning a Garmin G80, that the MLM works to help you if you use it to track your tendencies with each club.  Then fixing those tendencies would probably require professional help.  Like for me when I film myself I see a slight over the top move and early release, the ball tells me a different story (I'm in a groove of hitting tight draws or straigt), then my coach tells me to not trust video becuase the slightess angle off will really lie to you.  That being said, without the coaching part, watching myself on the Rapsodo would sed me into youtube binge of "fixes" that I don't need and will actually hurt my swing.  But the data I get can help me with dialling in my swing changes to get launch down or to work on maximizing my efficiency with the ball speed. Okay, ramble done.

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Here is my honest response.  I don't think short putting mats (under 20') are really worth it.  You can use at home things to make gates or a yardstick to work on your putting at home.   Speed control is something that you need to work on and the only ways are a long mat or an ExPutt.  I do love my ExPutt and it has helped my distance putting.   Launch monitors are great and I would love to have one myself.    But I voted for lessons;  having read a lot of your post my interpretation is you are looking for equipment to improve your game and you keep questioning the equipment you have bought.   I don't get the impression that you are buying equipment for the enjoyment of the equipment.   For that reason,  I would get lessons to help improve your game.  

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41 minutes ago, cnosil said:

Here is my honest response.  I don't think short putting mats (under 20') are really worth it.  You can use at home things to make gates or a yardstick to work on your putting at home.   Speed control is something that you need to work on and the only ways are a long mat or an ExPutt.  I do love my ExPutt and it has helped my distance putting.   Launch monitors are great and I would love to have one myself.    But I voted for lessons;  having read a lot of your post my interpretation is you are looking for equipment to improve your game and you keep questioning the equipment you have bought.   I don't get the impression that you are buying equipment for the enjoyment of the equipment.   For that reason,  I would get lessons to help improve your game.  

Thanks for the candidness. Ya some of it is improving although my Saturday fitting/lesson was eye opening to me and changed my mental state to get better with what I have. The problem I have is I hear so many ideas from different pros (three different people gave me different setups on how to swing a club for example) that to me things were just confusing. I know deep down working with someone and doing lessons on the course is like the next step I need to take. 

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1 minute ago, rbsiedsc said:

Thanks for the candidness. Ya some of it is improving although my Saturday fitting/lesson was eye opening to me and changed my mental state to get better with what I have. The problem I have is I hear so many ideas from different pros (three different people gave me different setups on how to swing a club for example) that to me things were just confusing. I know deep down working with someone and doing lessons on the course is like the next step I need to take. 

Just like club fitting,  instructors have their approaches and methods to help people improve.   Choose a single instructor and make sure you are both on the same page with what you want to accomplish.   Lots of ways to swing a club.  

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I am a data guy, and just got the MEVO launch monitor. I love this thing. Hitting at the range it seems very accurate as well (perhaps not spin, as you can see in a few reviews, but it still gives you something to use as a baseline if you are tinkering around with weights and such trying to lower or raise spin). I use it at the range to get additional feedback (smash factor, carry distance, club head speed, ball speed), and out back at home hitting into a net where the only real feedback otherwise is the feel of the shot. 

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If your indicated handicap is correct - then Lessons 100%.  Pick a pro to stick with.  Ask them questions before you begin.  Go for a season long plan of improvement.   Several years ago, when I made my biggest improvements, I told my club pro I'd do what it takes.  He tested me by limiting me to the range until I could accomplish some specific drills/goals; and then he only let me tee off with a 6 iron or less until I could accomplish certain tasks.  I felt like I was wasting time - but it turned out to be worth it.  Use your pro's launch monitor if/when he/she wants to look at how much spin, launch angle, whatever needs fixing. Don't try to tweak those yourself - just yet.  Someday.  But get a good game plan first - workable swing, course management, basic skills.   And if you don't want to go that route, and really have money in your, or someone's pocket you want to burn do a hard look at your stats - what's your strokes gained (or lost) on the greens versus the tee.  I'm betting you think about the ball you slice out of bounds, but it's the missed 3, 4 or 5 footers that keep you from making bogey or par.  In reality, its probably chipping it close...

Maybe... take that money and get Bob Rotella's "Golf is Not a Game of Perfect" - or any of his follow ups.  I've collected them all on audio over the years and routinely listen to them again.  

Best of luck.  We all start where you are.

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Great topic because I want both as well!! I'm trying to talk myself into having an outdoor putting green installed in my yard when I get some landscaping project done.  At the same time I've almost pulled the trigger on Mevo + a couple of times but just can't make myself pull the trigger for two reasons: 1) I don't have a place to set up a simulator at home and 2) to really get better and use it for practice I need that club path and face-to-path data only available on the big money monitors.

 

So with all that said, I'll go the dull answer and say lessons.  Although a putting green outside when you're running the grill seems mighty tempting from an entertainment stand point and use with my kiddos...

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Putting mats are good for working on your stroke.  Put a line on your ball and try to hit it straight.  They don't help you with speed or the ability to read a green.  I have yet to find a putting mat that plays at the same speed as a real green.  I have a birdie ball put up mat and that is better at simulating a real green because it has that wedge that slows the putt.  Plus, how often do you get a flat putt?

I have 3 launch monitors: a PRGR, a SC200 and a Skytrak.  The Skytrak was heinously expensive, relatively speaking, but it's awesome.  The other two are ok, especially if you are hitting on a range.  But if you are hitting into a net, you won't get feedback on how far offline you are hitting.  I have a net and mat set up in my garage.  With the Skytrak, I can pop out to the garage for an hour and work on my swing.  It would take me that long just to drive back and forth to the nearest driving range. 

Lessons are great, but a couple hundred dollars isn't going to get a lot of instruction.  For the cost of the Skytrak, you could get some meaningful instruction but you still need to put in the time outside the lesson to make anything learned stick. 

Spending the money on more golf would be fun and would make a great birthday present, especially if you play at a bucket-list course.  My 60th b-day is in a couple of weeks and that's what I'm going to do.  🙂 

Anyway, my vote went to the launch monitor. 

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Let's face it.

How many times are you going to use a PLM. Once you have all of the statistics for each club do you think you're ever going to use it again?

 

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11 minutes ago, Les L said:

Let's face it.

How many times are you going to use a PLM. Once you have all of the statistics for each club do you think you're ever going to use it again?

 

likely every time i go to the range to be honest. Especially the MLM since I can look at swing and see where things are faulty

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Great dilemma to have

ihave a mat   Birdie ball 18 feet to stroke putts of 3–15 feet  stimp 10-11  also bought a ex putt last November  I love this thing  it tells me face angle and ball speed  you can change  stimp from slow to fast.  The ball returns to you easily and you can review snd track how your distance snd face angle progress   I’ll see how this translates this season   So far our greens run 8  but on opening day ran 10-11   Speed control  feedback is good on this  it’s not boring line the mat  we bought the PRGR   Goid for swing speed snd ball speed  it helped me gap my new irons  there the same lofts as of iron so it helped  I don’t think a launch monitor on the range would help me  I like to see the ball fly and I know a bad shot from experience  the LM would tie me up in knots   
 BTW  I’ll jump on the ExPlanar at the pro’s shop to reinforce my swing plane  it works well for me 

 

 

 

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You need to look at your game and see where you are deficient.  You want to work on areas that you are dropping strokes.  Are you three putting alot?  Are you missing a lot of 3-4 foot putts?  Then address the specific issue with a specific training aid not get a training aid and try and shape that to your game.  Launch monitors can tell you lots of stuff, but do you know what to do with that data?

I recommend after each round you play for the next three or four rounds, seeing where you are throwing away most of your strokes.  3 putts? Duffs? penalties (from driver or irons)? chipping not nearly close enough to have a reasonable one putt?  I am big fan of cutting down these listed areas as they are just strokes that are very hard to get back.  You can never get back a missed putt.  However, you can hit a drive way offline and still hit it on the green with your next shot, like the bad drive never happened.  This is all predicated on the idea you want to lower your score, not just have fun hitting solid strikes of the golf ball.  

Big fan of bob rotella as well.  Course management mistakes are just wasted shots as well that are the most preventable, as it is just thinking.

Summary: find your very specific problems and get training aids that address that.

 

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Just now, korsmot said:

You need to look at your game and see where you are deficient.  You want to work on areas that you are dropping strokes.  Are you three putting alot?  Are you missing a lot of 3-4 foot putts?  Then address the specific issue with a specific training aid not get a training aid and try and shape that to your game.  Launch monitors can tell you lots of stuff, but do you know what to do with that data?

I recommend after each round you play for the next three or four rounds, seeing where you are throwing away most of your strokes.  3 putts? Duffs? penalties (from driver or irons)? chipping not nearly close enough to have a reasonable one putt?  I am big fan of cutting down these listed areas as they are just strokes that are very hard to get back.  You can never get back a missed putt.  However, you can hit a drive way offline and still hit it on the green with your next shot, like the bad drive never happened.  This is all predicated on the idea you want to lower your score, not just have fun hitting solid strikes of the golf ball.  

Big fan of bob rotella as well.  Course management mistakes are just wasted shots as well that are the most preventable, as it is just thinking.

Summary: find your very specific problems and get training aids that address that.

 

Cheers  

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2H: :callaway-small: Super Hybrid with Tensei Orange Pro Hyb 80 Stiff 

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Putter: TAII #2  Review here: TAIII Impact #2 Putter (Testing SIK DW 2.0 35" double bend)

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