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Hi all, 

I'm looking for some advice here. 

I have been playing with my Callaway Epic Flash 5 Wood and am really happy with it. It has an Project X Even Flow Green 5.5 or 5.0 Regular Flex shaft and the club has 18 degrees of loft and is set to standard.
I'm still a beginner so I only hit it around 180-185 yards but I hit it fairly save and am happy with the distance for now while I work on my swing and overall speed.

As I like the club I bought  the same just as a 3 wood, thinking it would go bit further. 
I bought it used so it came with a different shaft. This one has a Tensei AV BLUE 75 also with Regular Flex. This club has 15 degrees of loft and is also set to standard. 

After playing a few rounds I'm struggeling a bit with the new 3 wood. 
My misses are much bigger and it tends to fly only as far as my 5 wood even if I hit it rather well.
So now I have a tendency to just stick with my 5 wood and leave the 3 wood in the bag. 

Any tips or ideas from the pros here why that is and what to do moving forward?
Could it be just the different shaft or do the 3 degrees just don't make that much of a difference?
If it is the different shaft (I understand that the Tensei is heavier the Project X) would it make sense to change the shaft?
I also could set it to 14 degrees if that would help. 

Happy to get any advice. 

Thanks and all the best

 

 

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You would need to get numbers on a launch monitor to really see what’s going on.

In general the 3w is harder to hit than the 5w and with your distance with the 5w you have a relatively slow swing speed which will make it harder to get the proper launch and ball flight with the 3w to get it to go farther than your 5w. 
 

The bigger misses from the 3w are due to the lack of speed, spin, height that come from slower swing speeds and swing flaws.

Could it be the shaft? Possible but again that is something that would need launch monitor and probably a good fitting. There’s nothing that says you need a 3w and since the 5w is working you can stick with that. 

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@RickyBobby_PRcovered pretty much everything.  15 degree 3 woods are simply hard to hit an many people don’t use them.  There are many topics on the forum about 3 woods but the most recent/active one is:  

 

 

 

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I'm no expert but I was in the same situation.

Have a Cleveland 3w and a cobra 5w, I never played a wood before in my life before this year. I got better at golf, started playing those. The contact with the 3W are inconsistent, launch angle is often too low to be able to go over the 5w for me, shaft is longer so I am even more inconsistent with it. For the 5W,  I'm still a little bit inconsistent with it but when I am, I am 150 yards in front of me straight (top the ball mostly) and when I catch it, I get wonderful numbers. 

Most fitter would recommend a 5w over a 3w because its easy to hit. So Now I play with a 5w at 17degre vs my 3w at 15degre. When I go at the driving range if I catch both of them on the nose, 3w goes like 15-20 yards more but in 10 shot, my 3w would be 20 yards shorter in average than my 5w. my 5w is 200-210 yards, a good hit on it is 230- 250 in the wind.

Edit: sorry wrong button too fast.

Lower swing speed have trouble launching lower number club off the ground

3w,4w, 2iron, 3iron,4iron even sometimes the 5 iron, hybrid 2 and sometimes hybrid 3.

Those club have lower loft and with lower swing speed you cannot generate enough height to get a better distance than another more lofted club.

So this is why 5w is generally a good safe fit for everyone

this is why women's set tend to have 2-3 hybrid in there

this is why one length set from cobra stop often at 5 or 6 because people who play those don't have the necessary swing speed to get more distance from a lower lofted club.

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Everyone above hit it on the head.  A 3w is just harder to hit because of the lower loft and longer shaft length.  I've got a 3w that I've got adjusted up to ~5w loft to make it easier to hit and get a closed face to help keep me from slicing it.  It's still hit or miss for me and I'm thinking about dropping it and just getting a real 5w.

 

The same concept applies to the long irons as well.  A lot of people will find that their 3 iron/hybrid goes the same length as their 4 and sometimes even the 5.  They just aren't easy clubs to hit and therefore don't travel as far as they should and end up being redundant with other clubs in your bag.

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1 minute ago, ChitownM2 said:

Everyone above hit it on the head.  A 3w is just harder to hit because of the lower loft and longer shaft length.  I've got a 3w that I've got adjusted up to ~5w loft to make it easier to hit and get a closed face to help keep me from slicing it.  It's still hit or miss for me and I'm thinking about dropping it and just getting a real 5w.

 

The same concept applies to the long irons as well.  A lot of people will find that their 3 iron/hybrid goes the same length as their 4 and sometimes even the 5.  They just aren't easy clubs to hit and therefore don't travel as far as they should and end up being redundant with other clubs in your bag.

Story on my life lol!

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Hi all, thanks a lot that does sound very logical to me.

My swing speed is slow at the moment, probably even slower on course as I try to be more accurate, so what @RickyBobby_PR and @pouetvl saying makes very much sense to me.
I probably need a session with a launch monitor. I feel like a lot of gapping and distances are off in my bag which is probably normal as you build up your golf bag while you are improving.

So what would be your opinion in regards to a driver? I usually try to be comfortable with next lower number. I bought the 5 wood after being comfortable with the 5 iron and Hybrid 4, then bought the 3 wood and planned to wait with the driver until I'm again comfortable with that. 
Now hearing this I'm tempted to maybe already jump to the big sticks right away. 

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I had the same exact issue had a 3+ wood and 4 wood, about 3* of difference but they were redundant.  Stick will the one you can hit more consistently.  Which was the 4 wood due to the added loft which improved the forgiveness and made it easier to hit on a tight lie.

But ChitownM2 is totally right, a lot of people are in your same boat.

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7 minutes ago, Lgebbers said:

Hi all, thanks a lot that does sound very logical to me.

My swing speed is slow at the moment, probably even slower on course as I try to be more accurate, so what @RickyBobby_PR and @pouetvl saying makes very much sense to me.
I probably need a session with a launch monitor. I feel like a lot of gapping and distances are off in my bag which is probably normal as you build up your golf bag while you are improving.

So what would be your opinion in regards to a driver? I usually try to be comfortable with next lower number. I bought the 5 wood after being comfortable with the 5 iron and Hybrid 4, then bought the 3 wood and planned to wait with the driver until I'm again comfortable with that. 
Now hearing this I'm tempted to maybe already jump to the big sticks right away. 

I’ve been golfing for quite a while now and still do not game a driver because I cannot control it. I am one of the oddballs who loves hitting my 3w and do so well probably because of my swing speed and other things.

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11 minutes ago, Lgebbers said:

Hi all, thanks a lot that does sound very logical to me.

My swing speed is slow at the moment, probably even slower on course as I try to be more accurate, so what @RickyBobby_PR and @pouetvl saying makes very much sense to me.
I probably need a session with a launch monitor. I feel like a lot of gapping and distances are off in my bag which is probably normal as you build up your golf bag while you are improving.

So what would be your opinion in regards to a driver? I usually try to be comfortable with next lower number. I bought the 5 wood after being comfortable with the 5 iron and Hybrid 4, then bought the 3 wood and planned to wait with the driver until I'm again comfortable with that. 
Now hearing this I'm tempted to maybe already jump to the big sticks right away. 

Get fit for a driver. All the drivers on the market are good and some work better for some golfers and not so good for others. There are a large number of shafts that each brand offers for no upcharge and they come with varying weights and flexes. Buying blind or based on a recommendation is a crap shoot.

As far whether to game one that depends on how comfortable one feels biting driver. But for the long run it’s better to spend money and time on lessons to improve hour swing and while doing that test drivers and do a fitting.

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I'm going to hop in here with only one thing to add - the technology in drivers is far better than 3 wood and you are always (at your level) hitting them off a tee.  You should definitely have a good driver fitting even at your stage of development, take a few lessons and practice.  The nice thing about modern drivers is that they are extremely adjustable so even though you are fit today it will be able to "grow" with you for a while, loft down, movable weight, easy to drop a new shaft in.

Also, ability to hit a 3 wood isn't only about relative playing ability, there are a variety of factors.  A modern 5 wood is a 4 wood anyone so you aren't sacrificing a lot by having that as the longest wood in your bag.

 

Okay that was more than one thing. 🙂

 

Good luck!  

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The 3 wood is honestly the hardest club to hit in a bag. low loft and second longest shaft. Also if you are trying to hit if from the fairway it generally requires decent speed to be successful. I prefer that beginner golfers skip the 3 wood. 5 wood is fine. It has enough loft to be more successful. I see it frequently that most hit a 4 wood or 5 wood better. The shorter shaft and added loft create higher chance for success. 

Plus you have to always think that a ball in the air will almost always go further than one on the ground. Gravity being equal. The club that gets the ball higher in the air will go further. Of course there are limits to that and other factors at play but I see it regularly that players hit a 3, 5, 7 woods and hybrids all the same distance.  

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7 hours ago, tommc23 said:

I’ve been golfing for quite a while now and still do not game a driver because I cannot control it. I am one of the oddballs who loves hitting my 3w and do so well probably because of my swing speed and other things.

Yep you are young and strong and in your profession I know you are in great physical shape--- I gave up on my old Steelhead 13* 3 wood some 4 years ago now. I am now carrying what I call a 4 wood an old Adams at 16*

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Guys, it is a real relief to hear that. I was doubting my ability a bit or thought my settings are all wrong.
But hearing how many of you are struggling with the 3 wood is encouraging.

Also in regards to the driver, it is a very good point that you can always adjust the setting and "grow" with the driver.
I always thought to go secondhand and buy an old driver just to learn the swing and get used to it.
However, listening to you guys a driver fitting might make sense even at my level.

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Sadly fitting is generally the way to go and the most expensive, if you are quite stable on your swing, the equipment will last for long. You need to refrain yourself from upgrading and make impulsive purchase when you don't play well. 1 or 2 club a year is a good goal on the long term. Drivers every 5 years or so, irons 10 years, putter 10 years, wood/hybrid 10 years, wedges more often. make sure you sell your old stuff too to decrease the cost. 

Came back to golf after 10 years, full set this years i'm at 3000$ and more. Like the guy who wanted to sell me a club at the store said...I have a 80 yards fade... Best investment was a SFT driver that make me drive straight... drive was the worst part of my game, now its the best. I already saved half the club's value in non lost ball this year alone... Nothing better to start with a good straight long drive in the fairway. I got fitted with a ping g425 with regular alta shaft...

Was too expensive for me, went for ping g410 SFT from last year, same shaft, same result, 200$ less in cost, still expensive but managed to save a little here and there.

Also if you want to learn, everything older than 5 years tend to have tons of spin compared to the newest one. Shorter shaft also help me. I still bring my 2005 taylormade R5 to the range when I'm mad at my current driver, after a few hit, I remember why I use a ping sft...

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5 hours ago, Lgebbers said:

Guys, it is a real relief to hear that. I was doubting my ability a bit or thought my settings are all wrong.
But hearing how many of you are struggling with the 3 wood is encouraging.

Also in regards to the driver, it is a very good point that you can always adjust the setting and "grow" with the driver.
I always thought to go secondhand and buy an old driver just to learn the swing and get used to it.
However, listening to you guys a driver fitting might make sense even at my level.

It’s bette to have club that work with your swing than developing bad habits from making a swing to get a club to work. A fitting isn’t going to make you instantly better but it will help to make the results from a bad swing not as bad.

 

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I had this happen with the first generation Taylormade SiM where I was hitting a 5W with a regular shaft farther, on carry distance, than the 3W in a stiff. It really made me re-think my shaft choice (both were Ventus Blue) since I am probably right on the line between stiff and regular (even though stiffness varies between manufacturers, etc) with a swing speed with driver of 103-106 mph. I have a relatively controlled transition so I don't necessarily need a bunch of stiffness. Anyway, that was off topic, but to get to your question I was hitting both fairly well and in the center of the clubface and the 5W was just nuclear for whatever reason. In some cases it was carrying close to what I hit my driver which was insane. I resisted the urge to buy it because it was like $325 for a fairway wood and I hit my current 3W fine but I do still think about that day a lot. The launch angle was higher so on a windy day may not be as good but the 5W was just optimal for me for whatever reason. 

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On 5/17/2021 at 9:23 AM, Lgebbers said:

Hi all, 

I'm looking for some advice here. 

I have been playing with my Callaway Epic Flash 5 Wood and am really happy with it. It has an Project X Even Flow Green 5.5 or 5.0 Regular Flex shaft and the club has 18 degrees of loft and is set to standard.
I'm still a beginner so I only hit it around 180-185 yards but I hit it fairly save and am happy with the distance for now while I work on my swing and overall speed.

As I like the club I bought  the same just as a 3 wood, thinking it would go bit further. 
I bought it used so it came with a different shaft. This one has a Tensei AV BLUE 75 also with Regular Flex. This club has 15 degrees of loft and is also set to standard. 

After playing a few rounds I'm struggeling a bit with the new 3 wood. 
My misses are much bigger and it tends to fly only as far as my 5 wood even if I hit it rather well.
So now I have a tendency to just stick with my 5 wood and leave the 3 wood in the bag. 

Any tips or ideas from the pros here why that is and what to do moving forward?
Could it be just the different shaft or do the 3 degrees just don't make that much of a difference?
If it is the different shaft (I understand that the Tensei is heavier the Project X) would it make sense to change the shaft?
I also could set it to 14 degrees if that would help. 

Happy to get any advice. 

Thanks and all the best

 

 

My 3 wood is in a closet at home and no longer in my bag.  You likely need a faster swing speed to get a three wood up in the air and don't have one.  I hit my 5 wood much better than my 3 wood.

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On 5/17/2021 at 9:55 AM, Lgebbers said:

Hi all, thanks a lot that does sound very logical to me.

My swing speed is slow at the moment, probably even slower on course as I try to be more accurate, so what @RickyBobby_PR and @pouetvl saying makes very much sense to me.
I probably need a session with a launch monitor. I feel like a lot of gapping and distances are off in my bag which is probably normal as you build up your golf bag while you are improving.

So what would be your opinion in regards to a driver? I usually try to be comfortable with next lower number. I bought the 5 wood after being comfortable with the 5 iron and Hybrid 4, then bought the 3 wood and planned to wait with the driver until I'm again comfortable with that. 
Now hearing this I'm tempted to maybe already jump to the big sticks right away. 

You probably need lessons more than a session with a launch monitor.

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I wouldn't play my 3 wood for the longest time as I didn't find I could launch it consistently and put too much spin. I recently switched from the g410 3-wood to the g410 sft 3-wood and am hitting it phenomenally. I think going from 14.5* of launch in the std. 3-wood to basically a 4-wood at 16* of launch has helped a ton. 

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