pulledabill Posted May 18, 2021 Share Posted May 18, 2021 Is the ball still considered OB if it hits the cart path and bounces out of bounds. I've always thought it was but a buddy is saying different, M. Parsons 1 Quote DRIVER: Cobra F9 10.5 Tensei AV Blue 65g 3W- Callway XR PRO 16 stiff 5W- Alpha- Mitsubishi Diamana Redboard w/band Irons- Mizuno JPX 919 Tours with S KBS Tour shafts Hyrbid- TM 4h mid-rescue Vokey- Vokey SM5 51 degrees, SM7 Wedges 54 and 58 1/2 half 3 degrees upright Putter- Taylor Made Rossa Monza Mini Spider Ball-ProV1 and AVX Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
M. Parsons Posted May 18, 2021 Share Posted May 18, 2021 I'm pretty sure you are right on this one. Those breaks, both good and bad, are part of the game. ncwoz and pulledabill 2 Quote In my BR-D4 6-way King F9 set to 9*, Tour length Hzrdus Smoke Black 6.0 S-flex, with GolfPride MCC +4 mid-size 3W - 13*, UST Mamiya 65 Gold S-flex, with GolfPride Tour Wrap 2G SIM UDI 2-iron - 18*, Mitsubishi Diamana Thump 100 X-flex, with GolfPride MCC Align ZX5 4-5 & ZX7 6-PW, Modus3 120 Tour S-flex, +1/2", with GolfPride Tour Wrap 2G - SM8 Tour Chrome, 50.08F - 54.10S - 58.12D, DG Wedge Flex, with GolfPride Tour Wrap 2G Custom Fit 35" ER6 Red at 68 degree lie angle and 4 degrees of loft MTB-X NX7 Pro Slope Tracked by #WPS Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ncwoz Posted May 18, 2021 Share Posted May 18, 2021 As annoying as that is, I believe you are correct and it's OB - or more generally whatever situation the ball ends up after hitting the cart path you'd deal with exactly the same as if it ended in the same position but didn't hit the cart path to get there pulledabill and M. Parsons 2 Quote Right Handed Driver: 9° Speedzone (HZRDUS Smoke Green 70g X-Stiff shaft) 2 Hybrid: 18° Exotics EXS Pro (Evenflow Black 6.5) (2020 MGS Official Review here) 3/Driving Iron: 18° UiHi Iron (MMT Utility TX 105g shaft) Irons: 4-GW T100 irons (Nippon Modus 120 X-Stiff shafts) (2021 MGS Official Review here) Wedges: 54° & 58° TSW Forged (Dynamic Gold S300) Putter: ER2B (2019 MGS Official Review here) Ball: MAXFLI Tour X Bag: Hoofer Lite WITB thread here Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pulledabill Posted May 18, 2021 Author Share Posted May 18, 2021 2 minutes ago, M. Parsons said: I'm pretty sure you are right on this one. Those breaks, both good and bad, are part of the game. That was my thoughts as well. I figured if I can gain yardage off of cart path, I can also be penalized. I've been playing all my life and he is new so I really had my doubts. If this was the case, I want about a 100 strokes back. M. Parsons 1 Quote DRIVER: Cobra F9 10.5 Tensei AV Blue 65g 3W- Callway XR PRO 16 stiff 5W- Alpha- Mitsubishi Diamana Redboard w/band Irons- Mizuno JPX 919 Tours with S KBS Tour shafts Hyrbid- TM 4h mid-rescue Vokey- Vokey SM5 51 degrees, SM7 Wedges 54 and 58 1/2 half 3 degrees upright Putter- Taylor Made Rossa Monza Mini Spider Ball-ProV1 and AVX Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cnosil Posted May 18, 2021 Share Posted May 18, 2021 They assessment of whether a ball is in or out of bounds, a penalty area, etc is determined by where the ball stopped and us currently sitting, not by the path it followed to get there. There might be a few exceptions, but the cart path is not considered to be an outside influence. TR1PTIK, Blueberry_Squishie, THEZIPR23 and 1 other 4 Quote Driver: G400 Max 9* w/ KBS Tour Driven Fairway: TS3 15* w/Project X Hzardous Smoke Hybrids: 915H 21* w/KBS Tour Graphite Hybrid Prototype 915H 24* w/KBS Tour Graphite Hybrid Prototype Irons: TR20V 6-11 w/Vizard TR20-85 Graphite Wedge: 54/12D, 60/8M w/:Accra iWedge 90 Graphite Putter: Sacks Parente MC 3 Stripe Backup Putters: Milled Collection RSX 2, mFGP2, Futura 5W, TM-180 Member: MGS Hitsquad since 2017 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
revkev Posted May 25, 2021 Share Posted May 25, 2021 I almost asked if you were kidding but I understand that it's possible for someone to not know the rules - the only way you're catching a break is if an outside agency, a bird, a dog, a person, comes along and picks your ball up - occasionally there is a local rule about a ball striking power lines but cart paths? You get what you get with those. BTW we had the bird thing come into play this weekend. The course that we were playing often has birds come and steal balls in the first fairway - it happened to two of us. That's the first ball that I've lost in over a month, too. M. Parsons, tony@CIC, PMookie and 1 other 3 1 Quote Taylor Made Stealth 2 10.5 Diamana S plus 60 Aldila R flex - 42.25 inches SMT 4 wood bassara R flex, four wood head, 3 wood shaft Ping G410 7, 9 wood Alta 65 R flex Srixon ZX5 MK II 5-GW - UST recoil Dart 65 R flex India 52,56 (60 pending) UST recoil 75's R flex Evon roll ER 5 32 inches It's our offseason so auditioning candidates - looking for that right mix of low spin long, more spin around the greens - TBD Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
M. Parsons Posted May 25, 2021 Share Posted May 25, 2021 4 minutes ago, revkev said: I almost asked if you were kidding but I understand that it's possible for someone to not know the rules - the only way you're catching a break is if an outside agency, a bird, a dog, a person, comes along and picks your ball up - occasionally there is a local rule about a ball striking power lines but cart paths? You get what you get with those. BTW we had the bird thing come into play this weekend. The course that we were playing often has birds come and steal balls in the first fairway - it happened to two of us. That's the first ball that I've lost in over a month, too. I was playing in a tournament this past weekend and one of the guys in my group sliced his drive close to a green for a different set of 9-holes than was part of our 18-holes, and someone picked it up. We talked to the guys and they threw the ball back to the guy how had hit the shot, and I told him to drop it in the area where they said they found it...was that the right call, or could he drop it anywhere he wanted??? with exception, of course. Quote In my BR-D4 6-way King F9 set to 9*, Tour length Hzrdus Smoke Black 6.0 S-flex, with GolfPride MCC +4 mid-size 3W - 13*, UST Mamiya 65 Gold S-flex, with GolfPride Tour Wrap 2G SIM UDI 2-iron - 18*, Mitsubishi Diamana Thump 100 X-flex, with GolfPride MCC Align ZX5 4-5 & ZX7 6-PW, Modus3 120 Tour S-flex, +1/2", with GolfPride Tour Wrap 2G - SM8 Tour Chrome, 50.08F - 54.10S - 58.12D, DG Wedge Flex, with GolfPride Tour Wrap 2G Custom Fit 35" ER6 Red at 68 degree lie angle and 4 degrees of loft MTB-X NX7 Pro Slope Tracked by #WPS Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RickyBobby_PR Posted May 25, 2021 Share Posted May 25, 2021 4 minutes ago, M. Parsons said: I was playing in a tournament this past weekend and one of the guys in my group sliced his drive close to a green for a different set of 9-holes than was part of our 18-holes, and someone picked it up. We talked to the guys and they threw the ball back to the guy how had hit the shot, and I told him to drop it in the area where they said they found it...was that the right call, or could he drop it anywhere he wanted??? with exception, of course. Those 9 holes are outside the boundary of the 18 your were playing and is considered OB. I used to play a set of courses that at one point had 54 holes. Some of the holes from each course were adjacent to each other and this type of scenario would come up. Even though the holes are part of the same property they are different courses and thus any ball that crossed over is now on outside the courses boundry M. Parsons 1 Quote Driver: PXG 0811 X+ Proto w/UST Helium 5F4 Wood: TaylorMade M5 5W w/Accra TZ5 +1/2”, TaylorMade Sim 3W w/Aldila rogue white Hybrid: PXG Gen2 22* w/AD hybrid Irons: PXG Gen3 0311T w/Nippon modus 120 Wedges: TaylorMade MG2 50*, Tiger grind 56/60 Putter: Scotty Caemeron Super Rat1 Ball: Titleist Prov1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
M. Parsons Posted May 25, 2021 Share Posted May 25, 2021 1 minute ago, RickyBobby_PR said: Those 9 holes are outside the boundary of the 18 your were playing and is considered OB. I used to play a set of courses that at one point had 54 holes. Some of the holes from each course were adjacent to each other and this type of scenario would come up. Even though the holes are part of the same property they are different courses and thus any ball that crossed over is now on outside the courses boundry Yes, I've seen and heard that before, at other courses (I actually have the not so pleasurable experience with that type of scenario, scoring a 9 on a hole because I kept fading my ball back over to the other 9-holes), but for whatever reason, there were no white stakes in this latest scenario (different course). I'll have to check the local/course rules on the score card. Thanks for the info. Quote In my BR-D4 6-way King F9 set to 9*, Tour length Hzrdus Smoke Black 6.0 S-flex, with GolfPride MCC +4 mid-size 3W - 13*, UST Mamiya 65 Gold S-flex, with GolfPride Tour Wrap 2G SIM UDI 2-iron - 18*, Mitsubishi Diamana Thump 100 X-flex, with GolfPride MCC Align ZX5 4-5 & ZX7 6-PW, Modus3 120 Tour S-flex, +1/2", with GolfPride Tour Wrap 2G - SM8 Tour Chrome, 50.08F - 54.10S - 58.12D, DG Wedge Flex, with GolfPride Tour Wrap 2G Custom Fit 35" ER6 Red at 68 degree lie angle and 4 degrees of loft MTB-X NX7 Pro Slope Tracked by #WPS Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cnosil Posted May 25, 2021 Share Posted May 25, 2021 6 minutes ago, RickyBobby_PR said: Those 9 holes are outside the boundary of the 18 your were playing and is considered OB. I used to play a set of courses that at one point had 54 holes. Some of the holes from each course were adjacent to each other and this type of scenario would come up. Even though the holes are part of the same property they are different courses and thus any ball that crossed over is now on outside the courses boundry It will depend on the local rules if there are no OB stakes. Typically the scorecard would indicate if there are no stakes. THEZIPR23 and M. Parsons 2 Quote Driver: G400 Max 9* w/ KBS Tour Driven Fairway: TS3 15* w/Project X Hzardous Smoke Hybrids: 915H 21* w/KBS Tour Graphite Hybrid Prototype 915H 24* w/KBS Tour Graphite Hybrid Prototype Irons: TR20V 6-11 w/Vizard TR20-85 Graphite Wedge: 54/12D, 60/8M w/:Accra iWedge 90 Graphite Putter: Sacks Parente MC 3 Stripe Backup Putters: Milled Collection RSX 2, mFGP2, Futura 5W, TM-180 Member: MGS Hitsquad since 2017 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cnosil Posted May 25, 2021 Share Posted May 25, 2021 16 minutes ago, M. Parsons said: I was playing in a tournament this past weekend and one of the guys in my group sliced his drive close to a green for a different set of 9-holes than was part of our 18-holes, and someone picked it up. We talked to the guys and they threw the ball back to the guy how had hit the shot, and I told him to drop it in the area where they said they found it...was that the right call, or could he drop it anywhere he wanted??? with exception, of course. See rule 9.6. Ball goes back to original spot or an estimate of that spot M. Parsons, revkev and DaveP043 3 Quote Driver: G400 Max 9* w/ KBS Tour Driven Fairway: TS3 15* w/Project X Hzardous Smoke Hybrids: 915H 21* w/KBS Tour Graphite Hybrid Prototype 915H 24* w/KBS Tour Graphite Hybrid Prototype Irons: TR20V 6-11 w/Vizard TR20-85 Graphite Wedge: 54/12D, 60/8M w/:Accra iWedge 90 Graphite Putter: Sacks Parente MC 3 Stripe Backup Putters: Milled Collection RSX 2, mFGP2, Futura 5W, TM-180 Member: MGS Hitsquad since 2017 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
revkev Posted May 26, 2021 Share Posted May 26, 2021 16 hours ago, cnosil said: See rule 9.6. Ball goes back to original spot or an estimate of that spot 17 hours ago, M. Parsons said: I was playing in a tournament this past weekend and one of the guys in my group sliced his drive close to a green for a different set of 9-holes than was part of our 18-holes, and someone picked it up. We talked to the guys and they threw the ball back to the guy how had hit the shot, and I told him to drop it in the area where they said they found it...was that the right call, or could he drop it anywhere he wanted??? with exception, of course. We get this one on rare occasion when I play in league - number 7 is a sharp dogleg left with water guarding the dogleg. Across the water is a 9 hole short course that’s a part of the property. It’s not marked on the card but according to the Pro is OB. If not OB the ball should be dropped as close to its original position as possible. cnosil and M. Parsons 2 Quote Taylor Made Stealth 2 10.5 Diamana S plus 60 Aldila R flex - 42.25 inches SMT 4 wood bassara R flex, four wood head, 3 wood shaft Ping G410 7, 9 wood Alta 65 R flex Srixon ZX5 MK II 5-GW - UST recoil Dart 65 R flex India 52,56 (60 pending) UST recoil 75's R flex Evon roll ER 5 32 inches It's our offseason so auditioning candidates - looking for that right mix of low spin long, more spin around the greens - TBD Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cnosil Posted May 26, 2021 Share Posted May 26, 2021 4 hours ago, revkev said: We get this one on rare occasion when I play in league - number 7 is a sharp dogleg left with water guarding the dogleg. Across the water is a 9 hole short course that’s a part of the property. It’s not marked on the card but according to the Pro is OB. If not OB the ball should be dropped as close to its original position as possible. That is the problem; OB and penalty hazards are supposed to be marked or identified. Unless you pro is telling everyone that plays that that area is OB then people don’t know. Put up stakes or have a statement on the card. M. Parsons 1 Quote Driver: G400 Max 9* w/ KBS Tour Driven Fairway: TS3 15* w/Project X Hzardous Smoke Hybrids: 915H 21* w/KBS Tour Graphite Hybrid Prototype 915H 24* w/KBS Tour Graphite Hybrid Prototype Irons: TR20V 6-11 w/Vizard TR20-85 Graphite Wedge: 54/12D, 60/8M w/:Accra iWedge 90 Graphite Putter: Sacks Parente MC 3 Stripe Backup Putters: Milled Collection RSX 2, mFGP2, Futura 5W, TM-180 Member: MGS Hitsquad since 2017 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
revkev Posted May 26, 2021 Share Posted May 26, 2021 10 minutes ago, cnosil said: That is the problem; OB and penalty hazards are supposed to be marked or identified. Unless you pro is telling everyone that plays that that area is OB then people don’t know. Put up stakes or have a statement on the card. I would agree - this is the local muni though. I think it takes an act of city council to make a change there. seriously his comment the first time that it came up was, “it’s off the golf course, obviously it’s out of bounds. “ Thrn he wondered how someone could ever hit it there. I actually play regularly with two guys who are fully capable of doing it. cnosil and M. Parsons 2 Quote Taylor Made Stealth 2 10.5 Diamana S plus 60 Aldila R flex - 42.25 inches SMT 4 wood bassara R flex, four wood head, 3 wood shaft Ping G410 7, 9 wood Alta 65 R flex Srixon ZX5 MK II 5-GW - UST recoil Dart 65 R flex India 52,56 (60 pending) UST recoil 75's R flex Evon roll ER 5 32 inches It's our offseason so auditioning candidates - looking for that right mix of low spin long, more spin around the greens - TBD Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DaveP043 Posted May 26, 2021 Share Posted May 26, 2021 21 hours ago, cnosil said: See rule 9.6. Ball goes back to original spot or an estimate of that spot And the ball is placed on the spot, or the estimated spot, it is not dropped. remember Phil this past weekend after the fan picked up his ball. M. Parsons, cnosil and revkev 3 Quote Irons Titleist T200, AMT Red stiff Rogue SubZero, GD YS-Six X T22 54 and 58 wedges 7-wood 5-wood B60 G5i putter Right handed Reston, Virginia Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
revkev Posted May 27, 2021 Share Posted May 27, 2021 23 hours ago, DaveP043 said: And the ball is placed on the spot, or the estimated spot, it is not dropped. remember Phil this past weekend after the fan picked up his ball. I did not know that - I thought it was dropped - thanks. That also begs the question, if I dropped rather than placed would that be a penalty? I suspect not but will confess that I dropped when the bird stole my ball the other day. M. Parsons 1 Quote Taylor Made Stealth 2 10.5 Diamana S plus 60 Aldila R flex - 42.25 inches SMT 4 wood bassara R flex, four wood head, 3 wood shaft Ping G410 7, 9 wood Alta 65 R flex Srixon ZX5 MK II 5-GW - UST recoil Dart 65 R flex India 52,56 (60 pending) UST recoil 75's R flex Evon roll ER 5 32 inches It's our offseason so auditioning candidates - looking for that right mix of low spin long, more spin around the greens - TBD Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DaveP043 Posted May 27, 2021 Share Posted May 27, 2021 2 hours ago, revkev said: I did not know that - I thought it was dropped - thanks. That also begs the question, if I dropped rather than placed would that be a penalty? I suspect not but will confess that I dropped when the bird stole my ball the other day. I've almost certainly done it wrong myself at some point in time. But yeah, Rule 9.6 says you must "replace" the ball in accordance with 14.2, which specifically says "The ball must be replaced by setting it down on the required spot and letting it go so that it stays on that spot." If that procedure isn't followed, its considered playing from the Wrong Place, and carries the General Penalty. And the only reason I remember some of this stuff is because I've been taking the USGA Rules Workshop this spring, with a potential goal of officiating golf events once I retire. Most rules are pretty simple, but many have some details that aren't quite so simple. This is one, if you're taking relief you drop (except on the putting green), if you're replacing the ball on a spot you place. cnosil and revkev 2 Quote Irons Titleist T200, AMT Red stiff Rogue SubZero, GD YS-Six X T22 54 and 58 wedges 7-wood 5-wood B60 G5i putter Right handed Reston, Virginia Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
goaliedad30 Posted May 27, 2021 Share Posted May 27, 2021 On the original post, as has been noted, it's where the ball comes to rest that determines its status, not how it got there. For the OP, if you want an analogy to explain it to your buddy ... Suppose the ball hit a house located out of bounds, and caromed back to the middle of the fairway. You'd presume that's in play, and be happy, right? Now reverse it ... revkev 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
revkev Posted May 28, 2021 Share Posted May 28, 2021 20 hours ago, goaliedad30 said: On the original post, as has been noted, it's where the ball comes to rest that determines its status, not how it got there. For the OP, if you want an analogy to explain it to your buddy ... Suppose the ball hit a house located out of bounds, and caromed back to the middle of the fairway. You'd presume that's in play, and be happy, right? Now reverse it ... And I have had that happen - Florida has plenty of courses where uses are in play. Quote Taylor Made Stealth 2 10.5 Diamana S plus 60 Aldila R flex - 42.25 inches SMT 4 wood bassara R flex, four wood head, 3 wood shaft Ping G410 7, 9 wood Alta 65 R flex Srixon ZX5 MK II 5-GW - UST recoil Dart 65 R flex India 52,56 (60 pending) UST recoil 75's R flex Evon roll ER 5 32 inches It's our offseason so auditioning candidates - looking for that right mix of low spin long, more spin around the greens - TBD Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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