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I am in the market to add two hybrids to the top of my bag, and there is minimal amount of information and reviews compared to all the other clubs. Also, when testing, I don't get the true totals when hitting off a mat in the sims. 

I have an Epic Flash hybrid, but it is too hot and too inconsistent for me in regards to distances. What is the best out there for forgiveness out of the rough and from the fairway? I am looking for a 180 club (4hybrid) and a 200 club (3hybrid). 

Just curious what Hybrids does everyone use? 

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:ping-small: Driver: G425 Max 10.5*
:ping-small: Wood: G425 Max
:ping-small: Wood: G425 Max
:titelist-small: Hybrid: TS2 23*
:titelist-small: Irons:  6 to GW, T300 
:titelist-small: Wedges:  Vokey SM8 50F, 54S, 58K
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Despite playing a regular shaft for driver and irons I play a stiff shaft for my r15 4-hybrid. I’ve dabbled w the Mavrik, an M5, and a SIM Max recently but life always takes me back to that r15.... even after a good fitting those others just don’t give me the confidence over the profile. 
 

an interesting piece for me w hybrids is its important I can hit it out of the rough and some of the modern more forgiving profiles just feel too large for me to get it through. 
 

I’m with You good sir they’re a great weapon! 

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Driver: :callaway-small: Mavrik Max 10.5
4-wood: :callaway-small: Epic Speed 16.5 
4-hybrid: :taylormade-small: R15 21
Irons 5-P: :callaway-small: Mavrik Max
Wedges: :cleveland-small: RTX ZipCore 46, 50, 54, 60
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I use the Srixon H85 2 and 3 models - I like them but they're an old model now. I don't play fairway woods as all of them launched too high with my swing. The 2 goes just as far as I would want a fairway wood to go.

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:cobra-small:            Cobra F9 9.5° (Hzrdus Yellow X)

:srixon-small:                     H85 16° and 19° (Hzrdus Black 85 6.0)

:mizuno-small:                    MP20 MMC 4-PW (KBS $ Taper 120S)

:mizuno-small:                    T20 51°, 8° (KBS $ Taper 120S)

:mizuno-small:                    T20 55°, 9° (KBS $ Taper 120S)

:mizuno-small:                    T20 59°, 9° (KBS $ Taper 120S)

:scotty-small:                          Phantom X 5.5 34"

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Recently purchased the Mavrik Max and love it. Find it so easy to hit. I purchased a Hybrid about 10 years ago which I never used because I couldn't get on with it. But this Mavrik Max is going well.

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:callaway-small:, Driver, Mavrik Max 10.5*, Aldila rouge white 60, XS flex

:mizuno-small:, 3 Wood, MX-700, S flex

:callaway-small:, 4 Hybrid, Mavrik Max, S flex

 :Sub70: , 5-PW 699 Pro, KBS Tour S flex

:titelist-small:, Wedges, Vokey, 52*, 56*, 60*

:odyssey-small:, Putter, Stroke Lab Black #7

:bridgestone-small:, Ball, Tour B X

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Some hybrids are designed for distance and some have a design to be closer to an iron replacement. TM and Callaway seem to be more on the distance side and have some pretty hot faces. Ping and until recently titleist have been more towards the iron replacement design.

Like any other club in the bag finding the right hybrid can either come via fitting or lots of testing to find a size and shape that works for the golfer then finding the right loft and shaft combo to fit the distance they are looking for and the consistency.

I have a tendency to hook hybrids so I have to find one that has a more neutral face and/or adjustable to get what I need.

 

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Driver: PXG 0811 X+ Proto w/UST Helium 5F4

Wood: TaylorMade M5 5W w/Accra TZ5 +1/2”, TaylorMade Sim 3W w/Aldila rogue white

Hybrid: PXG Gen2 22* w/AD hybrid

Irons: PXG Gen3 0311T w/Nippon modus 120

Wedges: TaylorMade MG2 50*, Tiger grind 56/60

Putter: Scotty Caemeron Super Rat1

Ball: Titleist Prov1

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I have a Mizuno CLK 3h, and I had two Callaway hybrids before that. I grew up hitting long irons, and I have never been as consistent with any hybrid. When I hit it well, it’s lovely (high-long-steep descent), but I’m just not consistent with it - I’m better off hitting a 3 iron. But I refuse to give up on hybrids and force myself to use it when yardage dictates - between my 3W and 4i. Most of the guys I play with have several hybrids and love them, so my problem is probably in my head…

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@Nateyeight, @RickyBobby_PRhas some good info. What I would add is they don’t have to be the same model or even brand.  I personally have a TaylorMade Sim max 19* hybrid and a Ping crossover 23* because I hit different shots with both. I want a little more forgiveness out of the 19* and ability to hit high and low out of the 23*.  Some brands have a couple different models with different purposes. It might be best you focus on filling one of those spots now and then work on the next hybrid. 

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Ping G425 LST 10.5* - Rogue White 130

Ping G425 LST 14.5 - Rogue White 130

TaylorMade SIM 19* Tensei Pro White

Srixon ZX5 4&5 iron Modus 120

Srixon ZX7 6-AW Modus 120

Vokey SM8 54* 60* Modus 125 wedge

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I can't offer a lot here, but I can give kudos to the Titleist hybrids.  I've got 818H2 in a 2 and 3 hybrid and have enjoyed hitting them.  Misses are much smaller for me compared to a fairway wood and distance has been consistent.  I've been through about 3 fittings since getting them and nothing comes close to beating them out.  I paired mine with a nice mid launch mid spin shaft - Tensei Blue and haven't looked back.

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Driver:  image.png.3c6db1120d888f669e07d4a8f890b3f1.pngMavrik Sub Zero 9* (Set to 10) Ventus Blue 6X

2 Hybrid: :titelist-small: TSI3 Hybrid Tensei Blue 80 X

4 Iron - Srixon ZX 23* Recoil F5                                                     Testing: :titelist-small: T200 4 Iron Graphite Design Tour AD IZ X Hybrid Shaft

Irons 5-PW: :mizuno-small: MP 18 SC Dynamic Gold AMT X                   Testing: :titelist-small: T100-S 5 - GW KBS Tour 130 X

Gap/Sand Wedge:  :titelist-small: Vokey SM6 49*  SM8 54* 

Lob Wedge:  image.png.3c6db1120d888f669e07d4a8f890b3f1.pngJaws 5 Wedge 58* DG Tour Issue Stiff

Putter:   :scotty-small: Phantom 5.5 34"      Pro Platinum Newport 2 35"      Taylormade Tour Black Spider 34"

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I love hybrids and for me Titleist are the best if the bunch.  If you can see my signature I carry three that are basically fairway wood and iron replacements.  The newer models have better weighting to help with not hitting a draw, but I don’t mind that ball flight.  

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Driver:  :ping-small: G400 Max 9* w/ KBS Tour Driven
Fairway: :titelist-small: TS3 15* set  to 16.5* w/Project X Hzardous Smoke
Hybrids:  :titelist-small: 816H1 19* set at 18* w/KBS Tour Graphite Hybrid Prototype
                :titelist-small: 915H  21*  w/KBS Tour Graphite Hybrid Prototype
               :titelist-small: 915H 24*  w/KBS Tour Graphite Hybrid Prototype
Irons:      :honma:TR20V 6-11 w/Vizard TR20-85 Graphite
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Putter:  :seemore-small: mFGP2

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I think hybrids don't get a lot of love because they sit in funky space in the bag, if they're in the bag at all.  As a VERY general rule, a hybrid that helps a high handicapper who struggles to hit long irons would be a hook machine for a lower handicap player.  Consequently, lower handicappers (again as a general rule) tend to gravitate towards hybrids with different characteristics, or utility irons.  Given that, it seems to me that the business case for an OEM to invest heavily in churning out better hybrids with regularity isn't there, especially given overall lesser consumer enthusiasm.  I can't recall the exact NPG podcast, but Chris Nickel was joking that every time he writes a hybrid article for MGS it gets about 10 views.  Of course he's exaggerating, but you get the point.

As for me, I agree with @cnosilthat Titleist makes a darn good hybrid, especially if you're looking for a smaller "player's" style.  I have a 19 and 21 degree (opened to 22) TS3 that I like.  That said, a couple TaylorMade DHY's recently (and probably permanently) kicked them out of the bag.

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Driver:  :honma:TR20 460, Ventus Blue 6 S, 65g Stiff

FW:  :tour-edge: CBX 119 3w, 15,  Project X Evenflow Blue 65g Stiff

Hybrids:  :callaway-small: Apex Pro 3H, Mitsubishi MMT 80g Stiff

                :taylormade-small: SIM DHY 4H, Diamana Limited Hybrid 75g Stiff

Iron: :mizuno-small:JPX 919 Forged 5-GW, Aerotech Steelfiber i95 Stiff

Wedges: :vokey-small:SM8 54 S Grind, 60 M Grind

Putter: :EVNROLL:ER7B 

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I could never figure out how to hit a hybrid (do I hit down, do I sweep?) until I got my Cobra one length hybrids.  I’ve got three with two in my bag right now.  Very dependable right to left flight. Unless I just hit a block.  But I count on them.  

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Driver: Callaway Mavrik SubZero 9* Neutral w stock Evenflow Riptide R flex shaft
3W  Titelist TS2 15* Draw w Tensei Blue R flex
3H, 4H Cobra One Length F9 Speedback hybrids (1”short) w Fujikura Atmos R flex shaft
5I-GW Cobra Forged TEC Black One Length (1”short, 2* flat) KBS 90 R flex shafts
56, 60 Cobra King MIM One Length Black (1” short) KBS HiRev2.0 125 S flex shafts
ER7  or Scotty Futura X - 35”

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I really like my Sub70 hybrids.  I started out with 1 and have 3 in the bag now.  I had Titleist 816 H1s previously which were really good but the Sub70 are just better for me.  I don't carry a 5 iron any longer cause the 6 hybrid is just so easy to hit.  

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SIM2 autoflex 505

Ping G410 5 wood

Ping G410 7 & 9 woods 

Titleist T100S 6-gap

Vokey SM8  54

Sub70 JB low bounce 58 or SM8 58*

PXG Operator H 

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For me they are hook machines.   Much more comfortable with a 2-iron or even a 1-iron.  

I have hit them before and do have a pxg one that I hit decently.  But it does not do anything that my long irons can't do, other than higher trajectory.   

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I have had hybrids in the bag for close to twenty years. I have trouble hitting long irons and the hybrids work for me. Mostly Taylor Made. They hit the ball high and it helps me hold greens when hitting into them. I don't care about distance just consistency and height

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I love hybrids for the height and carry distance they provide.  

My only problem with hybrids is that I tend to hit hooks with them.

Over the last ten years I have replaced my hybrids more often than any other clubs searching for the right ones.  Even after getting fit for Titleist 818 H1 hybrids that were better than what I had before, they still went left more often than I would like.

I finally found a couple of hybrids that aren’t going left.  Both are from Tour Edge.  Last year I put a new old stock XCG7 28 degree hybrid in the bag and just this week put a C721 25 degree hybrid in the bag.  The 25 degree is my new 195-205 yard club and the 28 degree is my 170-180 yard club.

A few questions:

What are you trying to gain with a hybrid?

Do you want more total distance or more carry distance?  

Are you needing more height, better landing angle and spin to get more stopping power on the green than your irons are providing?

Is shot shape correction or miss hit forgiveness important?

Depending on your answers might determine if a utility iron, hybrid or high lofted fairway wood would be more suited to your needs. 

After many attempts, I’m still trying to nail down which clubs work best for me on the top end of my bag.  My recent experiments with higher lofted hybrids and fairway woods have shown that I can get more height and carry distance and about the same total distance as the lower lofted versions I had been using.

Good luck with your search.

 

Ping G410 LST 10.5

Tour Edge EX 10 - 16.5

Tour Edge XCG7 - 21

Titleist 818 H1 - 25

Titleist AP3 6-48

Corey Paul Functional Art 52, 56 & 60

Odyssey O Works Black #7 with Stability Shaft

Bridgestone Tour BRX

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I'd highly recommend looking into Tour Edge's hybrid offerings. I was a tester for the EXS Pro and loved it. After some swing changes this winter I thought I would be replacing it with a driving/utility iron. For the first chunk of the season I put a utility iron in the bag, to realize I nearly never hit my 3 wood. I put the hybrid back in the bag in place of the 3 wood with promising results so far - it's really hot and I don't feel like it's a hook machine that some people say make them weary of hybrids.

I've also hit the EXS 220, and liked that one a lot as well. Launches a bit higher and a bit more forgiving than the Pro. You might be able to find some pretty good deals on them now that the C721 line is out - although that looks like a great head too. 

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Driver: 9° :cobra-small: Speedzone (HZRDUS Smoke Green 70g X-Stiff shaft)

2 Hybrid: 18° :tour-edge: Exotics EXS Pro (Evenflow Black 6.5) (2020 MGS Official Review here)

3/Driving Iron: 18° :Hogan: UiHi Iron (KBS Tour V 110g shaft)

Irons: 4-GW :titelist-small: T100 irons (Nippon Modus 120 X-Stiff shafts) (2021 MGS Official Review here)

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On 5/18/2021 at 5:08 PM, Thibide1 said:

Despite playing a regular shaft for driver and irons I play a stiff shaft for my r15 4-hybrid. I’ve dabbled w the Mavrik, an M5, and a SIM Max recently but life always takes me back to that r15.... even after a good fitting those others just don’t give me the confidence over the profile. 
 

an interesting piece for me w hybrids is its important I can hit it out of the rough and some of the modern more forgiving profiles just feel too large for me to get it through. 
 

I’m with You good sir they’re a great weapon! 

Im intrigued by this. Does a stiffer shaft give you straighter ball flight? I feel like having a stiffer shaft than your “normal” would amplify the hook/draw ball flight that is so typical with hybrids? 

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On 5/19/2021 at 12:30 PM, lasorcier said:

For me they are hook machines.   Much more comfortable with a 2-iron or even a 1-iron.  

I have hit them before and do have a pxg one that I hit decently.  But it does not do anything that my long irons can't do, other than higher trajectory.   

Hook machines for me as well. I prefer to opt for fairway woods instead.

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I can't imagine my golf game without my hybrids, they are scoring machines. Regardless whether its fairway or rough they always bail me out. Ping 410's in a 22* and 26* set to flat. I was actualy debating replacing my 5 wood with a 410 19* hybrid. 

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Cobra King F-9  5 wood
:ping-small:  410  Hybrids 22*, 26*

Cobra Speed Zone 6-GP/Recoil ESX 460 F3 Shafts 

:titelist-small: SM7 54* Wedge

:ping-small: Glide 3.0  60* Wedge

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