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54 minutes ago, Tyler86 said:

Im intrigued by this. Does a stiffer shaft give you straighter ball flight? I feel like having a stiffer shaft than your “normal” would amplify the hook/draw ball flight that is so typical with hybrids? 

Stiffer shaft or a heavier one will tend to slow down the swing and/or help with better sequencing. Helps with face to path relationship and reduces the curvature. It’s usually a recommendation for those who are trying to play a fade ball flight 

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Driver: PXG 0811 X+ Proto w/UST Helium 5F4

Wood: TaylorMade M5 5W w/Accra TZ5 +1/2”, TaylorMade Sim 3W w/Aldila rogue white

Hybrid: PXG Gen2 22* w/AD hybrid

Irons: PXG Gen3 0311T w/Nippon modus 120

Wedges: TaylorMade MG2 50*, Tiger grind 56/60

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There is a lot of interesting info and  input here - as is often the case with these types of threads we are learning about everyone's favorites as well - but the beauty of golf is, a favorite of mine may do nothing for you and a favorite of years may end up floating in the Bayou with me. 🙂

The reason I'm popping in is because the OP mentioned something about total distance on a Sim.  I think he should focus much more on carry, launch angle and spin rates.  It's also worth considering a lofted fairway wood - maybe keep one of the hybrids and look at 7 wood - something like that - 7 wood/4 wood, hybrid of some sort is a great, versatile combo for a player to consider - You will have lots of shot choices with that at the top end of your bag.

Also, I hate to ask the MGS obvious but have you seen a fitter about the hybrid/fairway wood/utility iron possibilities that might be best for your game?

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Ping G410 5-9 wood  Alta 65 R flex

Wilson D7 forged 6-GW -  Mamiya recoil 460 R flex

Edison Wedges 54 and 59 KBS Tour Graphite 80's

EVNRoll ER 5

Titleist Pro VIx optic yellow with revkev stamped on them

Tour Exotics 3 wood is in the bag because we are allowed 14 clubs.  It's a great club for pulling balls out of the water or from bushes - you never want to put your hand into anything in Florida unless you are absolutely certain that it's safe.  There are rare wind conditions when I might hit it off the tee on a few holes that I play.  

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3 minutes ago, revkev said:

think he should focus much more on carry, launch angle and spin rates. 

Totally agree. Getting those right will take care of the total distance. As we know basing club selection off total distance can lead to some unwanted results

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Wood: TaylorMade M5 5W w/Accra TZ5 +1/2”, TaylorMade Sim 3W w/Aldila rogue white

Hybrid: PXG Gen2 22* w/AD hybrid

Irons: PXG Gen3 0311T w/Nippon modus 120

Wedges: TaylorMade MG2 50*, Tiger grind 56/60

Putter: Scotty Caemeron Super Rat1

Ball: Titleist Prov1

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I struggled with hybrids for years. Probably tried 20 different ones and all but the 2004 Ben Hogan CFT’s have been hookers. I bought a set of i500 6-P on Sunday and needed something for the top of the bag. I was interested in the Ping G410 and G425 hybrids so I went in for a fit on Monday. I have a new G425Max Driver that I have adjusted 1° down and Flat. This is a game changer for me. 

The flat setting on the Ping G410 and G425Max does make them into a much more neutral ball flight, and they are incredible. They are incredibly expensive also. While I might could get the G410 from eBay, the G425 are still new and $270 MSRP and the G410 are still selling for over $200 so I decided to get fit for some G425.

Things didn’t go quite as planned. First, I have new irons (arriving today) and don’t know where the upper range for my 6 iron truly is. I should hit the Ping i500 6 iron 175 yards. They did have an i500 7 iron and, based on that, I estimated where the 6 iron should fit. But that was on the monitor not real life. I may end up needing the 5 Hybrid. 

But if I hit that club 175, I need clubs to span the range from say 190-235. So I hit the hybrids, and they were great. But I also hit the 3, 5, 7, 9 woods.  Those were freaking awesome. I was hitting those off the deck so consistently that I felt like Matt from TGX. (Except he would be hitting 7-9 irons that range.) Once I put these on the flat setting the ball flights were all identical and only increasing by 15 yards or so per club.

I have never had clubs I felt confident in above 175 yards. Sure I could hit them that far, but I never knew when one would turn 40 yards left or 20 yards right.  These fairway woods would be 5 yards either way. So I ended up deciding on the FM’s over the Hybrids.  I went ahead and bought the 7 and 9 woods. They didn’t have the 5 with the shaft I needed, and I decided to wait on the 3 wood because I may not need it and may need something to bridge the gap between my 6 iron and 9wood.  

The moral of this long winded story is that higher lofted fairway metals may be the way to go for some of us who have not aged as well as we may have liked.

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Driver:      :ping-small:  G425MAX 10.5° -1° Flat on Project X HZRDUS Yellow Handcrafted 65g

Fairway:   :ping-small:  G410 3 wood LST & 5  Wood Flat on :ping-small: Alta CB 65R

                     :ping-small:  G425MAX  7 & 9  Flat on :ping-small: Alta CB 65R

Hybrid:     :ping-small:  G425MAX  6 H Flat on :ping-small: Alta CB 65R

Irons:     :ping-small:  i 500 7-P on True Temper Dynamic Gold

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I still use a pair of hybrids I put together years ago in an experimental phase which I haven't grown out of.  I have tried a few others (OK more than a few), TM Rescue early on through Ping i20's just last year but they all seem to give me the 'lefts' to some degree while those two Snake Eyes / shaft combos remain straight and true and give the distance I want.   League night last week, the two birds I had resulted from 17* hybrid flushed off the tee & 17* hybrid flushed to the green on a short tight par 5 for a 2 putt bird and a 23* hybrid to 10' on a 190yard par 3 and i lipped in the putt!  Cemented their stay in the bag and just maybe the hybrid experimentation should really end for me!  

 

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Modern Bag:  Ping G410+ 9*, Accra TourZ X265 M5;  Snake Eyes 15*, 18* & 23* Hybrids; Mizuno JPX 900 Forged 5 - PW, PX LZ 6.0;  Cleveland Tour Action 49*, 53*, 57*; PX LZ 6.5 ;  Ping Heppler Fetch;  Ball - Snell MTB-X; Bag - Sun Mountain H2NO 

Classic Bag:  Driver - Wilson Staff Persimmon; 3w - Hogan Speed Slot; 5w - Wilson Staff Tour Block; 3 - pw - Staff Dynapower; sw - Ram Tom Watson;  putter - bullseye standard or flange.

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I find that my hybrids are some of my most consistent clubs. For a 4 hybrid, I have been playing a RBZ. For a 3 hybrid, I have a Titleist 815H. However, I tend to leave the 3 hybrid at home in favor of my RBZ 3 wood. I have found that I am very consistent with the RBZ, so much that I purchased a 5 wood although I still prefer my 5i. 

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Driver:cobra-small: - Cobra F8+  Tensei CK AV Blue 55

3 Wood :taylormade-small:-Taylormade RBZ 15 degree

4 hybrid -:taylormade-small: Taylormade RBZ 22 degree

5-p Irons -:titelist-small:Titleist AP2 714 - S300 Shaft

Approach Wedge -:taylormade-small: Taylormade Burner 2.0 

52, 56, 60 - Kirkland Wedge Set

Putter - Kirkland Putter or Odyssey White Hot Dart 

Ball - Kirkland v2

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5 hours ago, Hoyoymac said:

I love hybrids for the height and carry distance they provide.  

My only problem with hybrids is that I tend to hit hooks with them.

Over the last ten years I have replaced my hybrids more often than any other clubs searching for the right ones.  Even after getting fit for Titleist 818 H1 hybrids that were better than what I had before, they still went left more often than I would like.

I finally found a couple of hybrids that aren’t going left.  Both are from Tour Edge.  Last year I put a new old stock XCG7 28 degree hybrid in the bag and just this week put a C721 25 degree hybrid in the bag.  The 25 degree is my new 195-205 yard club and the 28 degree is my 170-180 yard club.

A few questions:

What are you trying to gain with a hybrid?

Do you want more total distance or more carry distance?  

Are you needing more height, better landing angle and spin to get more stopping power on the green than your irons are providing?

Is shot shape correction or miss hit forgiveness important?

Depending on your answers might determine if a utility iron, hybrid or high lofted fairway wood would be more suited to your needs. 

After many attempts, I’m still trying to nail down which clubs work best for me on the top end of my bag.  My recent experiments with higher lofted hybrids and fairway woods have shown that I can get more height and carry distance and about the same total distance as the lower lofted versions I had been using.

Good luck with your search.

 

Thankyou!

I can't hit my 3 wood so I retired it. I am looking for a low long hybrid to go beyond 200 yards, and then my other hybrid to be in the 180 range but I can land on the green so more height. I think I will have to do what you have done, and just keep testing and experimenting until I find the right ones to fit that criteria. 

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:ping-small: Driver: G425 Max 10.5*
:ping-small: Wood: G425 Max
:callaway-small: Hybrids: 4 & 5 Epic Flash, 2* lofted up
:callaway-small: Irons:  5 Rogue X, 6 - AW Rogue 
:titelist-small: Wedges:  Vokey SM8 54*S, 58*K
:cameron-small: Putter: 1995 Newport
:titelist-small: Ball: Yellow Titleist VG3
:nike-small: Bag: Nike Air Hybrid Golf Bag

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9 minutes ago, Nateyeight said:

Thankyou!

I can't hit my 3 wood so I retired it. I am looking for a low long hybrid to go beyond 200 yards, and then my other hybrid to be in the 180 range but I can land on the green so more height. I think I will have to do what you have done, and just keep testing and experimenting until I find the right ones to fit that criteria. 

Are you carrying any fairway woods at all?  You may get what you're looking for with a newer model 5 wood (which is really a 4 wood) and/or a 7 wood - just because you struggled with 3 wood doesn't mean you can't hit or won't hit fairways well.  Hate to complicate things but it does give you more options to accomplish your goal.

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Taylor Made Sim2  10.5 (Opened 1 click) Ventus Blue 5  R flex

Ping G410 5-9 wood  Alta 65 R flex

Wilson D7 forged 6-GW -  Mamiya recoil 460 R flex

Edison Wedges 54 and 59 KBS Tour Graphite 80's

EVNRoll ER 5

Titleist Pro VIx optic yellow with revkev stamped on them

Tour Exotics 3 wood is in the bag because we are allowed 14 clubs.  It's a great club for pulling balls out of the water or from bushes - you never want to put your hand into anything in Florida unless you are absolutely certain that it's safe.  There are rare wind conditions when I might hit it off the tee on a few holes that I play.  

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2 hours ago, revkev said:

Are you carrying any fairway woods at all?  You may get what you're looking for with a newer model 5 wood (which is really a 4 wood) and/or a 7 wood - just because you struggled with 3 wood doesn't mean you can't hit or won't hit fairways well.  Hate to complicate things but it does give you more options to accomplish your goal.

I am not, I had a 3 wood Epic Flash. Maybe I can experiment with a 5 or 7 wood, I just struggle more with the sweeping swing than I do with the hybrid being close to an iron swing. Thanks for the advice. I will add a 5 and 7 wood in my testing to see how they stack up to a 3 hybrid. 

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:ping-small: Driver: G425 Max 10.5*
:ping-small: Wood: G425 Max
:callaway-small: Hybrids: 4 & 5 Epic Flash, 2* lofted up
:callaway-small: Irons:  5 Rogue X, 6 - AW Rogue 
:titelist-small: Wedges:  Vokey SM8 54*S, 58*K
:cameron-small: Putter: 1995 Newport
:titelist-small: Ball: Yellow Titleist VG3
:nike-small: Bag: Nike Air Hybrid Golf Bag

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@revkevi want to game a 7w but theyre hard to come by used with a reg or stiff shaft that arent super old or brand new. For now i play a 3h and 4h. When i find a 7w the 3h may leave. 

Mavrik Max Driver

M2 5W

818 hybrids

Steelhead XR Irons

ZipCore wedges

SeeMore PR M7X

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The 7 wood has become a very popular club among the men’s group that I play in.  Last year I added a Tour Edge XCG7 21 degree 7 wood with a stiff shaft to my bag.  It was a brand new, never used old stock club bought cheaply and has proven to be the best fairway wood I’ve ever had to hit shots off of the deck.  It has a shallow face with a long and low pancake shape to it, but it works for me as my 210-220 yard club.

I am just now starting the testing of some 4 & 5 woods now for off the tee.  My recent tests have only been productive so far in showing me what doesn’t work.  Waiting on some more clubs to arrive and some different shafts to move forward.

Fairway woods are the bane of many an amateur golfer.  I’m heading in the direction of slightly heavier shafts designed specifically for fairway woods to see if that will help.

 

 

Ping G410 LST 10.5

Tour Edge EX 10 - 16.5

Tour Edge XCG7 - 21

Titleist 818 H1 - 25

Titleist AP3 6-48

Corey Paul Functional Art 52, 56 & 60

Odyssey O Works Black #7 with Stability Shaft

Bridgestone Tour BRX

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I think the problem (lack of love) is simply that the ratio of recharge time to mileage range is still too low... oh, wait, wrong hybrid 😆.  My personal experience is that I haven't (as yet) found them as hittable as say a 7w or 9w. I really tried the PING out a couple years ago at a Demo Day but they just didn't work for me - just not as consistent.  That said, I play with some guys who have a bag full of them.

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:ping-small: G400 SFT, 16 Degree 3w

:ping-small: G400 SFT, 19 Degree 5w

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This whole thread finally got me to just pull the trigger on a fairway wood/hybrid fitting... currently my 21 degree 4 hybrid (R15) goes further than my 16.5 degree 4-wood (epic speed)... so hard to justify even keeping the 4-wood in the bag when I only hit it once every 8-10 rounds. I will post results from the fitting. I find with my driver distance I rarely need anything bigger than my hybrid (225 yd avg hit over last 5 rnds). 

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Driver: :callaway-small: Mavrik Max 10.5
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4-hybrid: :taylormade-small: R15 21
Irons 5-P: :callaway-small: Mavrik Max
Wedges: :cleveland-small: RTX ZipCore 46, 50, 54, 60
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