Dewiz…….Anybody used this?

[deWiz Golf]

3 hours ago, cnosil said:

since this popped up on my unread list I figured I would give the thread a read.  Nice to have the company represented, but many of the posts seem to be from posters that have only posted in this thread…seems a bit suspicious but ok.  
 

looked at you website and curious how an amateur can determine what numbers they should have.  How does it help with a bad swing mechanics vs bad tempo/swing length?  Why should I ask an amateur invest $700 into this product; do I need a coach to use it?  Looking at the site, I’d say this a device for coaches and/or pros.   

Hi cnosil,

We only have one account here and this is the only account we are posting from.

Hopefully you'll receive responses from users who can tell their story on how they are using deWiz in their training. We see deWiz users finding value in connecting the deWiz numbers to how they swing when they hit it well, i.e., how long is the swing, what tempo is it and so on. By knowing your numbers you also have a tangible reference point. A great example is deWiz wedges as it puts a number to any wedge swing so you know how long your 9 o´clock is and you don't need guess any more.

Another feature with the product we see being appreciated is the portability and easy of use that allow users to compare numbers between practice and on course play and learn how their swings differ.

There is a lot of new features in development, and you can follow us on social media to get tutorials and insights on how to use deWiz.

As we still are quite new to the market, it takes a little time to generate enough users and reviews but they are starting to come. 
https://www.independentgolfreviews.com/dewiz-swing-modifier-training-aid-review/

[RD McAvoy]

On 2/14/2022 at 2:58 PM, deWiz Golf said:

Hi cnosil,

We only have one account here and this is the only account we are posting from.

Hopefully you'll receive responses from users who can tell their story on how they are using deWiz in their training. We see deWiz users finding value in connecting the deWiz numbers to how they swing when they hit it well, i.e., how long is the swing, what tempo is it and so on. By knowing your numbers you also have a tangible reference point. A great example is deWiz wedges as it puts a number to any wedge swing so you know how long your 9 o´clock is and you don't need guess any more.

Another feature with the product we see being appreciated is the portability and easy of use that allow users to compare numbers between practice and on course play and learn how their swings differ.

There is a lot of new features in development, and you can follow us on social media to get tutorials and insights on how to use deWiz.

As we still are quite new to the market, it takes a little time to generate enough users and reviews but they are starting to come. 
https://www.independentgolfreviews.com/dewiz-swing-modifier-training-aid-review/

Product sounds interesting and 15 years ago I had a Sunto watch for clocking club speed so things have progressed. Can a user establish swing "baselines" for the dewiz to metric against or is it merely capturing wrist location data from the current swing only? Will dewiz provide the angles of a swing plane backswing v through swing? Will dewiz provide data in a vertical plane such as at start of downswing as the hands should start down essentially vertically or through impact as the lead arm begins to elevate into the followthrough? Regarding hand speed, does dewiz have the capability to provide data for a specified location in the swing?  (i.e. Is it a user decision to view their hand speed 1/2 way down or 1/4 of the way down, etc? I may have missed this but will dewiz capture arm / forearm rotation? All the questions I have at the moment without actually seeing dewiz person but sounds like a useful tool. Thanks!

[deWiz Golf]

On 3/5/2022 at 12:51 AM, RD McAvoy said:

Product sounds interesting and 15 years ago I had a Sunto watch for clocking club speed so things have progressed. Can a user establish swing "baselines" for the dewiz to metric against or is it merely capturing wrist location data from the current swing only? Will dewiz provide the angles of a swing plane backswing v through swing? Will dewiz provide data in a vertical plane such as at start of downswing as the hands should start down essentially vertically or through impact as the lead arm begins to elevate into the followthrough? Regarding hand speed, does dewiz have the capability to provide data for a specified location in the swing?  (i.e. Is it a user decision to view their hand speed 1/2 way down or 1/4 of the way down, etc? I may have missed this but will dewiz capture arm / forearm rotation? All the questions I have at the moment without actually seeing dewiz person but sounds like a useful tool. Thanks!

Hi RD McCoy, thank you for the questions and I’ll do my best to answer all of them for you! A user captures their “baselines” through Discovery mode which will simply give you your numbers and data without any of the Learning Stimuli feedback. You can star or “favorite” good swings to be go back and compare between good swings and bad swings to see where you need to improve. Once you get an understanding of your numbers, you can activate the Learning Stimuli within the various Practice Modes to reaffirm the swing changes you're looking to implement!

deWiz will give you the plane of your swing, and by looking at the avatar and the trace lines of the swing, you’ll be able to see where you are at every point of your swing.

Regarding hand speed, there is a hand speed curve below the avatar that you can scroll through and see your hand speed at every point in the swing. And in terms of the arm/forearm rotation, this is in the works and should be available for users in the near future.

Hope this helps!

[Mrpowerssa]

Definately not a 3 to 5 day delivery window.... took 1 week for the website currency issue to be fixed, placed an order and 14 days now and my package is stuck at fed ex for the past 3 days as dewiz has not payed the vat as advertised when purchasing.....  

[deWiz Golf]

On 4/6/2022 at 4:24 AM, Mrpowerssa said:

Definately not a 3 to 5 day delivery window.... took 1 week for the website currency issue to be fixed, placed an order and 14 days now and my package is stuck at fed ex for the past 3 days as dewiz has not payed the vat as advertised when purchasing.....  

To follow up on @Mrpowerssa note, the VAT is always paid by deWiz, and this issue was ultimately resolved. There was a misunderstanding with the courier as we continue to expand into new global markets. We deeply apologize for this inconvenience and as always, if you have any questions or issues, please reach out to support@dewizgolf.com.

Thanks everyone! 

[knnth.prnc]

Ok I received my DeWiz the other day and just had an opportunity to try it out in my indoor range. It is fantastic. I was surprised to learn that my Tempo (w driver and 8I) was consistently 2.9:1 (+-.2). My transition is consistentently in the 3-4 range; which matches up with my fade off the Driver - will work on getting it in the 2-3 range. Transition with 8I is in the 2-3 range, with time hope to get it to 1-2. LOB w driver was 50-54 inches. At 76yo; not sure I can get that higher. I am ecstatic to have the DeWiz for practice in my indoor range. I will be able to re-inforce the good numbers while I try to improve in other areas. Tomorrow I will be taking it to the course with me; playing alone so I'll have it talking to me. The only concern I have is if it will time out between shots.

[ShooterMcGavin529]

On 4/23/2022 at 5:28 PM, knnth.prnc said:

Ok I received my DeWiz the other day and just had an opportunity to try it out in my indoor range. It is fantastic. I was surprised to learn that my Tempo (w driver and 8I) was consistently 2.9:1 (+-.2). My transition is consistentently in the 3-4 range; which matches up with my fade off the Driver - will work on getting it in the 2-3 range. Transition with 8I is in the 2-3 range, with time hope to get it to 1-2. LOB w driver was 50-54 inches. At 76yo; not sure I can get that higher. I am ecstatic to have the DeWiz for practice in my indoor range. I will be able to re-inforce the good numbers while I try to improve in other areas. Tomorrow I will be taking it to the course with me; playing alone so I'll have it talking to me. The only concern I have is if it will time out between shots.

ive been doing looking into bying a tool to help me with my tempo. i struggle in the fairway and the rough with my irons and hybrids. ive seen a few different options out there but its hard for me to beleve they really work that well. 

 

have you been seeing improvments in your game?

[OceanSands]

I am seriously thinking about getting one of these but it really doesn't check an awful lot - just length of backswing, over/under transition which is useful, and tempo.  I have a Voice Caddie T9 watch that has an excellent Tempo tracking, on the course and on the range.

The DeWiz doesn't know if the club face is open or closed (I think) or if you are scooping.  It knows your plane angle but doesn't have the ability to shock you if you're not at the plane angle you want (I think).  I don't see a lot of value in the "dialing in your wedges" aspect, there's just so many other factors like wind, lie, slope.  I want a DeWiz but am having a hard time justifying it.  It might be able to teach me to hit fade, straight or draw at will and that would be neat.  I hit straight or draw or hook now, or push right when I forget to keep my wrist straight/flat.  But that hook or push is more of a wrist fault which DeWiz is not aware of (I think).

Please, someone give me a reason to buy!

 

 

 

 

[deWiz Matt]

On 10/1/2022 at 12:42 PM, OceanSands said:

I am seriously thinking about getting one of these but it really doesn't check an awful lot - just length of backswing, over/under transition which is useful, and tempo.  I have a Voice Caddie T9 watch that has an excellent Tempo tracking, on the course and on the range.

The DeWiz doesn't know if the club face is open or closed (I think) or if you are scooping.  It knows your plane angle but doesn't have the ability to shock you if you're not at the plane angle you want (I think).  I don't see a lot of value in the "dialing in your wedges" aspect, there's just so many other factors like wind, lie, slope.  I want a DeWiz but am having a hard time justifying it.  It might be able to teach me to hit fade, straight or draw at will and that would be neat.  I hit straight or draw or hook now, or push right when I forget to keep my wrist straight/flat.  But that hook or push is more of a wrist fault which DeWiz is not aware of (I think).

Please, someone give me a reason to buy!

 

 

 

 

Hi @OceanSands, my name is Matt with deWiz Golf. Enjoying all of the discussion about our platform and wanted to chime in here with some answers to your questions as well as providing the group with some really interesting new updates on deWiz.

You are correct that deWiz will not highlight whether your club face is open or closed, however we do find a lot of correlation between our Transition measurement and club path. So you mentioned that you play a draw with an occasional tendency to hook the ball, we would look at your Transition measurement after 15-20 swings and see where the changes come when you hit a straight shot compared to that hook. In terms of the distance control with wedges, while yes you are correct that there are a lot of variables that come into play, we find that many of our users (especially higher level players that are able to pair deWiz with some sort of launch monitor) are able to find great value in mastering three different swing lengths and finding the stock yardages for each of those swing lengths with each of their wedges. And then when they are out on the course, they can make their adjustments from there based on slope, wind, hazards etc.

Speaking of "on-course", we're excited to announce that deWiz has been put in play the last two weeks for the first time in a men's PGA sanctioned event. Vijay Singh used a deWiz at the PGA Tour Champions Furyk and Friends tournament two weekend's ago in Jacksonville and this past weekend, Notah Begay sported one at the SAS Championship in Cary, N.C. I've linked an article below from with some of our data findings and more in-depth detail on why it's allowed to be used in tournament competition, but for an overview, we are currently in development of a "tournament mode" function within the deWiz platform where the device and app go into a form of "stealth mode". You receive no feedback and the data is not accessible until after the round (thus making it permissible by the Rules of Golf). This allows players to then go back and look at various swings they made throughout the round to see where things may have gone wrong, or how consistent they were in their wedge game, etc.

https://golfweek.usatoday.com/2022/10/13/vijay-singh-dewiz-wearable-apps-pga-tour-champions/

I will note that this mode is still in development and there are things that still need to be tweaked before it's unveiled to the larger user base, but once released, it will just be a part of the already existing device and app at no additional costs to users.

I'm happy to answer any additional questions that this group may have about deWiz!

[OceanSands]

Thank you Matt for the response and info.  Good article in the link too.  I do know that my range swing and my course swing can be drastically different with the results obvious but the cause much less obvious.  So, the fact that deWiz is not obtrusive, not even noticeable really, could be a GPS watch, is a bonus that might help track down the differences.

I am going to get one, thank you for the 50% discount (just kidding  ).  I'm not sure how easy it will be to track down a particular shot, after the game.  For instance, if I hit a stinker 3rd shot on the 10th hole, will I be able to find that exact swing after I am finished, with the current software?

Thanks again

 

[deWiz Matt]

18 hours ago, OceanSands said:

Thank you Matt for the response and info.  Good article in the link too.  I do know that my range swing and my course swing can be drastically different with the results obvious but the cause much less obvious.  So, the fact that deWiz is not obtrusive, not even noticeable really, could be a GPS watch, is a bonus that might help track down the differences.

I am going to get one, thank you for the 50% discount (just kidding  ).  I'm not sure how easy it will be to track down a particular shot, after the game.  For instance, if I hit a stinker 3rd shot on the 10th hole, will I be able to find that exact swing after I am finished, with the current software?

Thanks again

 

Yeah, good question! As I mentioned, the on-course "Tournament Mode" used by Vijay and Notah the last two weeks is not currently available in the current software. So, if you were playing in an official tournament governed by the typical Rules of Golf, you wouldn't (yet) be able to use deWiz. But in your regular weekend game or typical round of golf you would just set deWiz in "Discovery" mode as you would on the range and play your typical game. In the case of your question where you hit a bad shot and want to look at the data, assuming you have your phone accessible, you would simply be able to look at that swing right away and see what happened. If for whatever reason you don't have your phone accessible, or just don't have time to look, every swing is timestamped, so if you have a general idea of when it was you hit the shot you want to explore, you can just look up the timestamp afterwards in the session history.

[DaveP043]

45 minutes ago, deWiz Matt said:

But in your regular weekend game or typical round of golf you would just set deWiz in "Discovery" mode as you would on the range and play your typical game. In the case of your question where you hit a bad shot and want to look at the data, assuming you have your phone accessible, you would simply be able to look at that swing right away and see what happened

For those who'd like to understand the Rules around this type of thing, they should refer to 4.3a(3) which discusses  Information Gathered Before or During Round.  In essence, you can gather just about any information you like.  You are NOT allowed to use "any physiological information recorded during the round," which is what I gather covers the data that this device records.  Many of us do our best to play by all of the Rules of Golf even in our casual games.  As long as you don't look at the data collected during your round, and you disable any "feedback", you haven't violated the Rule.

[404yds]

I was looking at the website and can't really figure out if you can you see several data points for the same swing, or do you only get transition data from the transition feature, and length of swing data on the length of swing feature? 

 

Edited October 26, 2022 by 404yds
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[OceanSands]

I did the Full Swing practice with a 7 iron, I will show my numbers - You get an

avatar depiction

transition 3 cm

Backswing plane 72*

LOB 120cm

tempo 2.7:1 backswing 1.01s downswing .38s , start to impact 1.39s Pause 0.09s

Max hand speed 13.3mph Distance to impact 12 cm

Max Backswing Width 53cm

 

 

[404yds]

Thank you! Which mode is the Full Swing practice? Do you get the same swing data in the other modes too?

 

Edited October 28, 2022 by 404yds

[deWiz Matt]

On 10/28/2022 at 9:05 AM, 404yds said:

Thank you! Which mode is the Full Swing practice? Do you get the same swing data in the other modes too?

 

Good questions 404... you get all of the same data regardless of what mode your are working in. The idea is that "Discovery" mode is where you learn to get an understanding and baseline of your numbers (and in this mode you can select the order that you want each data point listed and what data point you want to receive audio feedback for) and then you use the individual "Length of Backswing", "Tempo" and "Transition" modes to dial in those individual aspects with the Learning Stimuli.

But even if you are in the "Length of Backswing" Practice Mode, you will still receive the Transition, Tempo, Plane, Width, etc. data points.

[404yds]

Alright, so I've ordered one today with a black friday offer. Going to try to improve consistency in my partial swings.

Is there a good video with a tutorial or information on how to use Dewiz with wedges? I downloaded the app and there is something called gears in the wedge mode. How do I know what gear to use?

Edited November 23, 2022 by 404yds

[deWiz Golf]

17 hours ago, 404yds said:

Alright, so I've ordered one today with a black friday offer. Going to try to improve consistency in my partial swings.

Is there a good video with a tutorial or information on how to use Dewiz with wedges? I downloaded the app and there is something called gears in the wedge mode. How do I know what gear to use?

Welcome to deWiz! I'd invite you to checkout our YouTube Page, where we have plenty of tutorial videos and webinars related to the various aspects of deWiz.

In regards to your question about the DistWedge gears, the idea here is to really be able to marry the "FEEL" of your half-swing or 10 o'clock swing or hip-high swing - whatever wedge philosophy you currently - with the "REAL" of whether or not you're in fact taking the club back the same distance each time. The best suggestion would be to start off in Discovery Mode and hit 10 or so full wedge shots and determine take the average Length of Backswing for those 10 swings. This will be your first "gear" in the DistWedges Mode. We find that most people will then set their additional gears at 6-7 inch increments (or about 20 cm). So, if your full wedge is a 42 inch LoB, try setting the the other two gears to 36 and 30 inches. Work on mastering those three LoBs with each of your wedges and watch how quickly your distance control will improve! 

[404yds]

On 11/23/2022 at 3:08 PM, deWiz Golf said:

Welcome to deWiz! I'd invite you to checkout our YouTube Page, where we have plenty of tutorial videos and webinars related to the various aspects of deWiz.

In regards to your question about the DistWedge gears, the idea here is to really be able to marry the "FEEL" of your half-swing or 10 o'clock swing or hip-high swing - whatever wedge philosophy you currently - with the "REAL" of whether or not you're in fact taking the club back the same distance each time. The best suggestion would be to start off in Discovery Mode and hit 10 or so full wedge shots and determine take the average Length of Backswing for those 10 swings. This will be your first "gear" in the DistWedges Mode. We find that most people will then set their additional gears at 6-7 inch increments (or about 20 cm). So, if your full wedge is a 42 inch LoB, try setting the the other two gears to 36 and 30 inches. Work on mastering those three LoBs with each of your wedges and watch how quickly your distance control will improve! 

I've been working on my wedges for two weeks at the range, and it feels like I'm getting the hang of it. What is a good tolerance level to work with? I have mine set at 1.2 inches and I keep hitting around 70% of my swings within the tolerance. Is this good? Do you have numbers for elite players?

[deWiz Golf]

On 12/15/2022 at 7:32 AM, 404yds said:

I've been working on my wedges for two weeks at the range, and it feels like I'm getting the hang of it. What is a good tolerance level to work with? I have mine set at 1.2 inches and I keep hitting around 70% of my swings within the tolerance. Is this good? Do you have numbers for elite players?

Thanks for the follow up question! A 1.2 inch tolerance is a really good spot to live within the DistWedges Mode and as you get more and more familiar with your backswing lengths, you can work on maybe setting that tolerance even lower! I would probably suggest not shrinking the tolerance threshold until you're hitting the mark 80+% of the time. What we find with higher level players is not only is the variance in hitting the desired backswing length lower, but they also have multiple backswing lengths that they are capable of producing on command - whereas higher handicap players may just work on one or two different swing lengths.