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2 hours ago, Wedgie said:

My swing speed with Cobra one lengths in right around 82 and to elevate the 5 and 6 irons you need to move it forward in your stance about an inch. They will fly plenty high. I agree with others that the wedges are money and it would be hard for me to go back to variable length wedges especially for full swings. I have dabbled with a blended set of 5-7 in variable and single lengths for everything else but in the 2 rounds I've tried it I struggled with the variable length clubs.

Really wish I spent more time trying that out. Or just hitting the 7i longer LOL!

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Just now, russtopherb said:

Really wish I spent more time trying that out. Or just hitting the 7i longer LOL!

The clubs are just sitting in my garage.  If you want to take another whack at them just let me know?

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2 hours ago, Wedgie said:

My swing speed with Cobra one lengths in right around 82 and to elevate the 5 and 6 irons you need to move it forward in your stance about an inch. They will fly plenty high. I agree with others that the wedges are money and it would be hard for me to go back to variable length wedges especially for full swings. I have dabbled with a blended set of 5-7 in variable and single lengths for everything else but in the 2 rounds I've tried it I struggled with the variable length clubs.

So i just pulled data from my MEVO app, looks like my 7i and 8i swing speeds are between 85-91 MPH, with ball speed around 98-111 MPH (obviously based on swing speed and quality of strike). I thought one of the things with the one lengths was not moving the ball up or back in your stance, since they were all the same length?

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Just now, DechamBRO said:

So i just pulled data from my MEVO app, looks like my 7i and 8i swing speeds are between 85-91 MPH, with ball speed around 98-111 MPH (obviously based on swing speed and quality of strike). I thought one of the things with the one lengths was not moving the ball up or back in your stance, since they were all the same length?

One would think that but Cobra has different lie angles and offsets because they say you swing a single length 5 iron faster than a single length PW for example. I personally do not. To get around this I move the 5 and 6 irons forward about an inch and pw-sw are back a bit. I have a set of Edel single length irons that are all the same lie angles and no offset and are much straighter for me but lack the forgiveness of the Cobras.

I have a Skytrack and what is most interesting with the Cobra one lengths and my swing is what happens with the various lie angles and offsets. It is kind of opposite of what you would think. For example if I take full swings with my sand wedge I tend to hit it left and as I move to the gap wedge it is a little less left. The clubs gradually work their way right and by the time I get to the 8/7 they are pretty straight then the 5/6 are right of center.  They kind of force you to move the ball around. With Edel it is one ball position all the time.

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6 minutes ago, Wedgie said:

One would think that but Cobra has different lie angles and offsets because they say you swing a single length 5 iron faster than a single length PW for example. I personally do not. To get around this I move the 5 and 6 irons forward about an inch and pw-sw are back a bit. I have a set of Edel single length irons that are all the same lie angles and no offset and are much straighter for me but lack the forgiveness of the Cobras.

I have a Skytrack and what is most interesting with the Cobra one lengths and my swing is what happens with the various lie angles and offsets. It is kind of opposite of what you would think. For example if I take full swings with my sand wedge I tend to hit it left and as I move to the gap wedge it is a little less left. The clubs gradually work their way right and by the time I get to the 8/7 they are pretty straight then the 5/6 are right of center.  They kind of force you to move the ball around. With Edel it is one ball position all the time.

Hmmm, interesting. I know that they changed to varying lie angles (originally had all the same) and one of the reasons was the ball flight. So instead of using the exact same shaft, they have started to hard step/soft step them to affect ball flight (higher or lower as necessary) and because of the changes in tip stiffness, the shaft bends different amounts at impact, hence the need for different lie angles. I might have to go back to Dicks tonight and mess around a little more, i like playing around and getting data too much 😛 

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Just now, DechamBRO said:

Hmmm, interesting. I know that they changed to varying lie angles (originally had all the same) and one of the reasons was the ball flight. So instead of using the exact same shaft, they have started to hard step/soft step them to affect ball flight (higher or lower as necessary) and because of the changes in tip stiffness, the shaft bends different amounts at impact, hence the need for different lie angles. I might have to go back to Dicks tonight and mess around a little more, i like playing around and getting data too much 😛 

Yeah but how much toe droop am I really getting on 37.5 inch irons swinging at 82 MPH?  I saw the other day Bryson D. still plays the original Forged Tech because they all had the same lie angles and offsets. I also read that Cobra came to these conclusions after watching regular dudes hit single length irons for the first time. I'm sure Cobra has studied this a lot more than I have and they know what they are doing but my personal experience is if everything is the exact same the ball will go straighter. I just need the forgiveness Cobra offers and over time you learn to work with what you've got. 

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1 hour ago, Wedgie said:

The clubs are just sitting in my garage.  If you want to take another whack at them just let me know?

Tempting, my good man, however those shafts never felt right to me the way they loaded. May take a few mins to peruse the 'bay, even though I know I shouldn't! 

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Just now, russtopherb said:

Tempting, my good man, however those shafts never felt right to me the way they loaded. May take a few mins to peruse the 'bay, even though I know I shouldn't! 

Club Champion built those irons and I think they used all 7 iron shafts and they were supposed to use 5-G shafts and cut to size. I'm thinking of taking the Edel shafts and putting them in there. If I do I'll meet you at the range.

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7 minutes ago, Wedgie said:

Yeah but how much toe droop am I really getting on 37.5 inch irons swinging at 82 MPH?  I saw the other day Bryson D. still plays the original Forged Tech because they all had the same lie angles and offsets. I also read that Cobra came to these conclusions after watching regular dudes hit single length irons for the first time. I'm sure Cobra has studied this a lot more than I have and they know what they are doing but my personal experience is if everything is the exact same the ball will go straighter. I just need the forgiveness Cobra offers and over time you learn to work with what you've got. 

Yeah, but like i said, then now soft and hard step them. And if you look at the lie angles, variable length goes from 62degrees lie to 65 from 4-PW.....but one length does the exact opposite 65 to 62 from 4-PW. Odd, but like you said, I am sure that they have done allot more research on it then I ever could, and i hope they keep it up, only thing stopping me right now from switching is the shot shape of the long irons.  I know in Brysons they are all the same, and the shafts are the exact same (tipped the same as well), but man his swing speed.....

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19 hours ago, russtopherb said:

Tempting, my good man, however those shafts never felt right to me the way they loaded. May take a few mins to peruse the 'bay, even though I know I shouldn't! 

Of course as soon as I posted this, we got my daughter's first BU tuition bill... yeah I'll be sticking with the Cobra Baffler XLs a little while longer LOL!

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On 5/24/2021 at 10:47 AM, DechamBRO said:

I was planning on getting the wedges as well, one length snake bite. was thinking 5-GW, 52, 56, 60.....with how i hit the 5 iron i don't think i would need anything between it and my standard length speedzone 3 hybrid. I could always get the one lengths and let my son use them if they don't work on the course for me 🙂 First world problems. 

Yeah will do the same if my step son like golf, when he will grow up I will get myself a set of one length regular flex and try them and unload them to him. At the moment he like driving the cart, hitting the driver and red ball / red bag, red polo, basically anything red

 

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A long shaft in wedges just sounded like as bad idea, but the single length concept is founded on good science.  

I play normal stepped length clubs LW through 8 iron, then single length 7, 6, 5, 4.     Works great - same shout irons and wedges with simplified long irons.   No, I don't loose distance or height on the long irons: science tells you that the heavier club head offsets the effect of shorter shaft.  

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1 hour ago, bwgerho said:

A long shaft in wedges just sounded like as bad idea, but the single length concept is founded on good science.  

I play normal stepped length clubs LW through 8 iron, then single length 7, 6, 5, 4.     Works great - same shout irons and wedges with simplified long irons.   No, I don't loose distance or height on the long irons: science tells you that the heavier club head offsets the effect of shorter shaft.  

Unfortunately, from other posters experiences it looks like you're in the minority on the long irons being consistent on distance & height. The longer irons always seem to be the weaker point of the sets. 

I'll reiterate - I loved the wedges when I tried them, and a good friend went out and bought Cobra OL wedges based on how great they were for him when he tried them as well.

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2 hours ago, bwgerho said:

A long shaft in wedges just sounded like as bad idea, but the single length concept is founded on good science.  

I play normal stepped length clubs LW through 8 iron, then single length 7, 6, 5, 4.     Works great - same shout irons and wedges with simplified long irons.   No, I don't loose distance or height on the long irons: science tells you that the heavier club head offsets the effect of shorter shaft.  

 

1 hour ago, russtopherb said:

Unfortunately, from other posters experiences it looks like you're in the minority on the long irons being consistent on distance & height. The longer irons always seem to be the weaker point of the sets. 

I'll reiterate - I loved the wedges when I tried them, and a good friend went out and bought Cobra OL wedges based on how great they were for him when he tried them as well.

Yeah, definitely in the minority and goes against everything Cobra R&D says about the one lengths, splitting the set between OL and variable, will give you unmatched weights and other profile specs.   Plus then you are back to altering your setup for multiple iron/wedge shots which is the whole point of OL. 

But if it works for somebody, more power to them. 

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I first tried single length irons seven or eight years ago.  I loved the concept, but hated the heads, they were big, super game improvement irons and I couldn't feel where I was making contact--so I sent them back at the end of the trial period.  But I told myself that I would try them again if some manufacturer ever came out with a set of "players irons" in single length.  

 

Then Bryson came along and Cobra got into the single length market.  I bought a combo set of F7 forged and F7s, all in single length (at my 8 iron length).  I got 4 iron through LW.  I played them for two years and loved them.  Then I switched to Edel one lengths.  I ended up with eight iron length SW through 7 iron, +1/2 inch on my 6 and 4 iron and +3/4 inch on Cobra single length hybrids.  I still play the Cobra LW.  I don't carry a 5 iron.  At my swing speed, the 4 and 5 had a narrow gapping.  I went with the 4 iron because I can use it to punch out from under trees.  I now have a nice gapping between all my clubs. 

 

The biggest difference for me is improved ball striking on all the irons and how much practice time single length saves.  My current 4 iron has the same over all distance as a traditional 4 iron, but it flies lower and rolls out more.  The trade off is worth it for me.  I make much better contact with the single length 4 iron.  A launch monitor would suggest that I should play a traditional length 4 iron; strokes gained analysis tells me to play the single length club.  

 

I imagine some one will point out that I'm not really playing single length clubs as I have LW through 7 iron at my standard 8 iron length, 2 irons a bit longer and hybrids with a bit more length.  Okay.  Big deal.  I listened to an interview with Edel and he said that the main impact of single length clubs coming on the market is it will get golfers away from standard sets with a set length progression from club to club.  Some players will benefit from all standard length clubs, some from a partial single length set, others with three length irons (wedges all one length, short irons a bit longer and long irons even longer but shorter than in a standard set.)  I call this Thinking Outside the Standard Length Box.  

 

Cobra's research showed that regular golfers improved their strike across all irons by moving to single length irons from standard length sets.  Edel contends that a lot of golfers will benefit from improved ball striking with less than standard progression in length, without moving to all single length irons. Length is one factor in choosing irons.  It has to be balanced with other factors.  Adding 1/2 inch to my 4 iron doesn't cause a drop in my ball striking but gives me a bit more distance and added height v. staying with a SL 4 iron.  My 4 iron is still much shorter than a standard 4 iron and ball striking is better than I get with a standard 4.  

 

All clubs have trade offs and each golfer has to decide which configuration works best for them.  Most golfers face this when choosing between long irons and hybrids.  If you have a long iron and a hybrid which go the same distance, how do you decide which club to put in your bag?  Some will choose the extra control from an iron, some will choose the added height from the Hybrid.  The golfer balances the shot performance of each club and decides which benefits his or her game the most.  Ideally, it would be the same when looking at length of clubs.  Some will find standard sets fit their game the best, others will go completely to single length, others with partial standard length and single length and some with unconventional stepping of irons, such as 1/4 or 1/8 inch progression between irons.   It takes some trial and error and it takes getting fit for clubs--somethings most golfers aren't going to do.  But for those willing to think outside the box, I think it's worth it.  

 

 

 

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I see a lot being discussed on this thread and it's important to remember single length irons will always have compromises relative to a progressive length set. Short irons need to be adjusted to prevent too much spin and long irons will generally be lower spin to compensate on length resulting in lack of green holding spin. The long irons are usually the hardest part to get right and as some have noted on here, going to hybrids can help or having slightly longer long irons. If you're ball striking improves enough on the single length long-irons that it overshadows the consequences of low spin, then the single length is worth it. If you need to hold a green, going with longer lengths or hybrids are a solution. Irons have generally had progressive lengths for the history of golf because that is how we overcame the issues with spin and controlled the ball flight. 

I'm personally a fan of less progressive designs regarding club length but I'm not necessarily 100% in the single-length camp. Hireko golf make a dual length set that is intriguing as it gives many of the benefits of a single length set but mitigates some of the spin issues. I would personally like a company just to make a less progressive set, say with only 1/4" increments between clubs. The reality is, if you have a hard time with single length long irons, the best answer is to probably get a hybrid as physics will always be a problem with a single length long iron. The other way to improve single length long iron performance is by improving you, get stronger and/or improve your swing. There is not any magic in what Cobra, Edel, Wishon does regarding their SL sets. They simply try their best to compensate for the issues SL irons present, hoping that the improved ball striking outweighs the cons. Which for many people, it does. 

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So, I decided I couldn’t take it anymore and ordered a set. I just have to try it on the course. I like to tinker and play around not to. I ordered the new radspeeds because it is the newest and therefore should be improved upon from lessons learned (I had demoed the speed zones at Dicks before, and liked them minus the roll on long irons). I don’t think the speed zones shafts were like the radspeeds (80 gram kbs in long irons, 90 in mid, and I think 110 in short), though I could be mistaken. Also ordered a 56 one length snakebite wedge, so will see... if I like them enough I will add a 60, but they are pretty hard to find right now. Also, doesn’t seem they make a 52... seems odd seeing as the gw that comes withthe set is 48 degrees..., oh well, can’t wait to play around with them,

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Hybrid:  :ping-small: G400 3 Hybrid, 19, Alta CB 70, S-Flex

Irons:   :cobra-small: RADSPEED one-length 5-GW, KBS Tour, R-flex

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I'm late to the party for @DechamBRO's purchasing benefit  😉, but wanted to mention that Pinhawk has a newer Vertex set they sell, designed for those who like SL, but don't like the long iron performance.  

Essentially a two length set, the 6-SW are designed to be 8i length, the 3-5 are designed for 5i length.  Allows you to get a bit more trajectory on those longer clubs.

The 6i and 3i are also some form of hollow or flex face clubhead (going off memory), to add a bit more help with those clubs' distance and/or trajectory.

Disclaimer:  not affiliated with Pinhawk or Value Golf, other than as a customer.  I own a set of original Pinhawks, have built test Vertex clubs for the missus, which she likes so far.

edited to add:  I'm intrigued by the dual length concept, I think it has some value.  Even if it conflicts with my blade tendencies, LOL.

 

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Interesting, I think someone else mentioned something like that as well. Really seems like the one length option then really has gained some traction, or at least helped lead to some other/similar concepts (I realize cobra want the first to do the one length, just really that a Bryson brought out more mainstream and proved they could work). I think it is also fair to say that variable length has had centuries to develop, obviously one length really is still in its infancy. 
they should arrive tomorrow. first thing to do is tear the grips of, extend them .5”, and re-grip. Can’t wait!

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Hybrid:  :ping-small: G400 3 Hybrid, 19, Alta CB 70, S-Flex

Irons:   :cobra-small: RADSPEED one-length 5-GW, KBS Tour, R-flex

Wedges:  :cobra-small: SnakeBite, 56, KBS Hi-Rev 2.0

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I have played one length for the last two years and the biggest revelation for me was getting one length hybrids. They are so good, for me, and I don't lose a ton of distance. I had a one length gap wedge that I hated so I got a conventional gap wedge and I am loving it. Makes me think about going back to conventional irons for PW-8i and then one length for 7i and 6i and then keeping my one length 5hyb and 4hyb which are probably the most consistent clubs in my bag. 

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