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I'm looking at the SG data for Drivers for Mid Swing speeds. https://mygolfspy.com/the-best-driver-for-mid-swing-speeds/  What does the SG number really mean?

The top driver is the Titliest TSi3 which has a SG of 0.0520. Compare that with the driver in the middle of the pack (Callaway Epic Speed with a SG of 0.0032). So based on this data the difference in SG is 0.0520 - 0.0032 = 0.0488.  IF that is per drive, and one takes 14 drives per round: 0.0488 x 14 = 0.6832 SG per round from driving. So you'd save a stroke from driving every 1.5 rounds from using the TSi3 vs Epic Speed. Is that correct?

If that is what the SG numbers mean, the differences between some of the top drivers really are very small. I'm looking at the Cobra Rad Speed (#6). If the above calculation is appropriate, the difference between the two drivers would work out to ONE stroke from driving every 4.3 rounds.

On a side note, now can the Rad Speed be ranked better than the TSi3 in both distance (1 vs 4) and forgiveness (16 vs 17), but be lower ranked overall (6 vs 1)?

Driver:    PING  G400 LST 8.5* - Fubuki ZT

Wood:   PING  410 LST - Evenflow stiff

Hybrid:   PING  G 17* - PING Alta

Irons:    :callaway-small: Apex CF16 - Project X S - 4-P (2* flat)

Wedges:     :cleveland-small:  RTX-3 50* MG, 56* LG, 60* LG

Putter:  TM Spider X HYDROBLAST (33", 3* upright)

 

 

 

 

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Great questions - the simple answers are, yes and dispersion - a club can be more “forgiving” in that it performs more consistently on off center hits but it’s dispersion pattern may still be greater.

 

The more complicated answers have to do with what all of this means for you. Those results are composites, you’re not.  So the question for you to figure out is if you perform similarly to the composite what does a stroke every other round matter?  For many that answer means “no” while for others who compete more competitively the answers will be a resounding, yes! 
 

More than likely though you aren’t the composite which means that within the range of drivers tested there’s a best fit for you. Each of the drivers tested will work best for someone even the one that finished last while each will be more problematic, even or more of the top finishers. 
 

The test is a starting point - it helps you start your driver search. 
 

I hope that helps. 

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Taylor Made Stealth 10.5  Aldila Ascent Red R flex

Ping G410 5, 7, 9 wood  Alta 65 R flex

Wilson D7 forged 5-GW -  Mamiya recoil 460 R flex

Edison Wedges 54 and 59 KBS Tour Graphite 80's

EVNRoll ER 5

Titleist Pro VIx optic yellow with revkev stamped on them

Still on that elusive hunt for a 3 wood that I'm able to hit - I don't know why, I crush the 5 wood and it's really a 4 wood anyway. 

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I decided to sell all my gamers, plus some old clubs and started all over.

  I had a Ping G 400 max. That I just never felt comfortable with.

I heard all these great things about the Homna Tr20. So I bought one brand new off eBay with out trying.

This driver is so much better than anything I have ever swung . I can’t believe how good it actually is .

I'm hitting probably 70% of fairways or higher on some days .

You should think about taking a look at one.

Ping G 400 Max 10.5   
willwood irons 4 to pitching wedge Edisonwedges 49 53 57

taylormade big toe 60

Toulon design Las Vegas 

 

                                 
 

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To echo @Kenny B, it shouldn't be too surprising that after 1000's of shots across a spectrum of testers they all average out about the same. Every manufacturer builds them to maximum face speed, that parameter hasn't changed in a long time.

That said, for an individual tester, there will be a much much bigger difference. A single tester could see multiple strokes per round difference between clubs that on average have fractions of strokes on the overall. 

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Driver:   :taylormade-small: SIM2 Max 12° - Accra TZ6 M4

FW Wood:    :cobra-small: F7 17.5° - Fujikura Pro

Utility:    :cobra-small: King Forged 20.5° Utility - Catalyst X

Irons:   image.png.cbfb2d938ea45d82004d9bdeb23cf643.pngD7 Forged GW-5i - Recoils

Wedges:   :Sub70:  JB 52° , 286 56°

Putter:   :taylormade-small: MySpider X

Cart: image.png.5aa5e9b8c0d6e08a2b12be76a06a07ca.pngOnewheel XR+

 

 

 

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I currently play a Titleist 917D2 with a Fujikura Tour Speeder Pro 64 and love the accuracy and distance.  Approaching the ripe young age of 75 in September, this big dog has been good to me.  Striping it fairly well of late.  Tried the new TSi3 with the same shaft and picked up ten additional yards.  Did not think that would be possible.  Did not do that well when the TS clubs came out in 2018, only picked up 3 yards and of course, did not make that jump.  Cannot wait for the TSi3 to arrive and put it in action on the course.  Course response will be much different from being fitted indoors on trackman.  Feel it has more distance in it, of course, depending on conditions.  The TSi heads are one great club, if your fitter puts the right shaft with them and mine is awesome.  Titleist certified and over 25 years of experience.   The aerodynamics on this head provides some extra pop.  

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DRIVER - TSI3 10.75* - Fujikura Speeder 661 TR S  

FAIRWAY - TSI2 16.5* - Fujikura Motore Speeder VC 6.1 S

HYBRID - 816H1 18.0* - Fujikura Motore Speeder HB 8.8 Tour Spec S

HYBRID - 818H1 21.0* - Fujikura Motore Speeder HB 8.8 Tour Spec S

IRONS - T300 (2019) - 5-W - True Temper AMT Red 107g-95gm R300

WEDGE - VOKEY SM9 - 52.08F, 56.10S - True Temper AMT Red 94gm R300                                         * GolfPride MC+4 Midsize Grips  (all woods/irons/wedges) 

PUTTER - 2020 CAMERON SPECIAL SELECT CUSTOM  - 35" Newport 2                                                    * GolfPride SNSR 104 Grip

GOLF BALL - TITLEIST PROV 1

GOLF BAG - TITLEIST MIDSIZE TOUR BAG BLACK 

GOLF GLOVE - FOOTJOY (StaSof, Hyper Flex, StaCooler, Rain Glove)

SHOES/APPAREL - FOOTJOY 

 

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Well from a pure mathematical approach Stroke gained seems the way to go now. I consider that stats to be like the equivalent of .WHIP for pitcher or .OPS for batter  in baseball. For non baseball fan, WHIP = walk + hit per innings pitch, basically tell me how many players the pitcher put on base every innings and OPS = on base percentage + slugging.

Stroke gained seems to be a combination of a few stats that can give you a good head start when looking for decent clubs / analyze how you play.

On my arccos they use that stats to "caddie" me. If often suggest me a club that I can't even reach the green distance wise but will fall short in front, will chip and putt instead of trying to land on the green in regulation and miss the green and be in trouble. I see if I use my 52 I have a stoke gained of -0.2 and if I use my underwedge I have a stroke gained of -0.4.

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