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For me a lot of when I use 58 for the 30-40yd partial shot depends on course/hole setup. If I have to land it and stop it quickly I’m more likely to fly it with the 58 than hit a traditional pitch with a lower lofted club. 
 

If I had to ballpark it, I’d say 7/10 times I’m using a lower lofted club and playing a traditional bump and run on those partial shots. 

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I’m trying to use it more often on shots that require less than a 50%!sand wedge… worked well today for two kick in birdies on par 5s… for a 50 yard shot, I like the 58. 
 

I could probably do the same thing with my 54, but I’ve decided to hit that frOm 75-100 yards and the 58 from 75 and in.

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Great question.  I've been trying for the past year to use a wedge matrix so that I know my yardages for 1/2, 3/4 and full wedge shots with my lob and sand wedges.  I find that it helps to take some of the guess work out of the shot and I can swing a bit more confidently.  For pitch/chip shots, I prefer to hit my 54* on just about everything except if I have to take it upstairs and stop very quickly.  

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Pretty much I use my 58* for 110 in to about 70, or 100% swing to a 70% swing, so the majority of wedge approaches I make are hit with my 58*.  I very rarely use it in the trap because I want the higher bounce of the 54*. The 58* scares me around the green, so it’s never used there. Ever.

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8 hours ago, PMookie said:

Pretty much I use my 58* for 110 in to about 70, or 100% swing to a 70% swing, so the majority of wedge approaches I make are hit with my 58*.  I very rarely use it in the trap because I want the higher bounce of the 54*. The 58* scares me around the green, so it’s never used there. Ever.

Agreed. There will be days where I'm really feeling good with my short game and work in the 58 when I want a little less roll out, but generally I reach for the 54 anytime I'm chipping around the green. 

I do use the 58 almost exclusively out of bunkers, but my bounce/grinds between the 54 and 58 are almost identical so that's just preference.

Otherwise, the 58 scales from 50-110ish yards when I'm swinging well. I have no issues taking a full cut with the 58. I don't play a clock system or anything like that so it's just a lot of feel.

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I have 3 lob wedges I rotate depending on conditions. Sometimes, I’ll even have 2 in the bag at the same time. I use them for 90% of my shots inside 80 yards. 

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All the time. It's my go to comfort club from any lie on the course inside 50 yards.

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I have a 58 in the bag but almost never use it; My 54 is my go to wedge.  I use it unles I am hitting chips where I use primarily 9 iron. 

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My wedges are 52-56-60.  I use the 60 for most shots from about 90 yards in.  I'm comfortable moving the handle forward to deloft the face and hit a lower chip, I'm comfortable opening my stance to hit a high lob.  I'm reasonably decent using the 60 from 30 yards, from 60 yards, for most of those partial shots, unless there's a specific reason to hit the ball lower.  My 56 has more bounce, so its my go-to club form the sand, as well as for shots around 100 yards.  

None of this means I won't use a lower lofted club (sometimes as low as a 7 or 8 iron) around the greens for less carry and more run-out, but my "normal" shot is some variant of a pitch with the 60.  

Its good to understand all of the options, and to be able to use them effectively.  

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My 58* Zipcore gets 62-70 yards on full swings and I use it exclusively as my sand wedge. For partial shots I prefer my 54* and 50* Zipcores. That said, if I am hitting off the back of an elevated green, the 58* is used for 1/4 or 1/2 swings.

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I would suspect this one depends a good deal upon how far one hits the ball and the type of course, conditions that he faces regularly.  I carry 53, bent to 54 and 59 as my wedges - gap and PW are a part of my iron set.

 

I hit the 54 90 and the 59 75.  I'm reasonably proficient with the 59 down to around 40 yards and will use it from 75 to 40 fairly regularly.  I practice those shots a lot though.  I never, ever, ever hit a flop shot on the golf course, ever.  Why?  Because I've learned through time that more bad things will happen than good.  Way better chance of getting up and down by hitting it 10 to 15 feet past and making a putt than trying a flop.  I do practice them because it's fun and it makes me look like I'm really good - I'm not that good though so I take my medicine.

 

Bottom line I think I use the 59 for actually approach shots about 25 percent of the time on most of the courses that I play.  That's about to change as my league course has some shorter par 5's and one short par 4 where there's no big risk in banging the ball down as close to the green as possible on the second shot.

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I used to rely heavily on my LW when I had a 54-58 setup.  I would use it probably 10 times more frequently than my 54.  

After realizing a weakness in my game I now use my GW first, SW second, and LW only if I have to.  I currently use 52, 56, and 60 degree wedges.  I really love the way ball reacts with the 52* wedge.  If I don’t need to go up and stop it super quickly, I’ll use that.  If the 52 seems like not a good fit…. Need to get up over a bunker, need to get up a steep embankment, or some reason that I need more height, I’ll use the 56.  That also includes some thicker rough.  

If I really need a specialty shot, bunker play, deep thick rough, flop shot, etc.  That’s where I’ll use the 60*.  I almost never take a full or even 3/4 swing with it.  

I’m learning that I get much better results when I use this process to select my shorter shots.

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Like just about everyone else says, very much a conditions-based question.  58 (mine's bent to 59) is my go-to from basically 90 in for a lot of shots, but wind, the lie, room on the green...tons of variables will impact the club.

Playing almost exclusively public courses, my 54 (bent to 55) and my 58 have differing amounts of bounce so I have options.  If the bunkers are nice and fluffy, the 54 with 12 degrees of bounce comes out.  Harder less sandy bunkers, the 58 comes out.  58 is also my go-to club to chip with unless it's a long chip and I need more run out.  I've hit one too many chips with the 58 where I needed to hit a relatively long one, and because I ended up striking it a little harder it actually checked up and stopped much earlier than I wanted.

Maybe a post for the equipment I'm thinking about thread, but I am keeping my eye out for a 58 or 60 SM8 in black in the L grind.  I've got an M grind 58 right now, but I lay the face open a lot and am feeling like I've got a little too much bounce in the wedge for that shot sometimes.  Although with it bent a degree strong it's only 7 degrees of bounce...

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I run a 60* and use it with great frequency inside 50 yards. I rarely take a full swing with it as it's easy to start losing control but around the greens it's money. It really depends on what shot I'm using it for and how much green I have to work with. I'm generally confident in my ability to hit low spinny shots and high flop shots using the bounce on the wedge around the green. If I'm not feeling confident, I will use my 56* when possible. I highly recommend the PM grind wedges from Callaway for high lofted wedges. The amount of bounce and sole grind along with the full face grooves makes it so versatile and forgiving. Full face grooves may look weird but they really can save your bacon on shots out and up on the toe.

I strongly recommend that anyone who wants to get good with a wedge should really try learning to use and understand the bounce of a wedge. Once you understand how to properly use the bounce, you will find confidence in virtually every shot you take around the green and there won't be any wedge loft that scares you. It took me a long time before I really understood how to use the bounce and it is kind of a "feel" shot. However, once you get it figured out, you got it. 

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most all shots from 75-80 yards and under into the green.  I chip with it alot and use it out of harder bunkers.  for softer bunkers use the 54 since the bounce is higher.  

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So for those that use a single club vs multiple, do you guys have different grinds or bounce angles on your wedges?

For me, all three of my wedges have different grinds and bounce angles.  I do that because I do find a difference on a really heavy or tight lie.  Or if I need a fuller swing I know my 52* or 56* have a sole that will lead to more consistent shots than my 60*.

When I was using a 54-58 combo both of my wedges were very close in bounce and had the same grind.  At that time I basically always used the 58*

 

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I use a 60* instead of a 58*, and I use it almost exclusively from around 70 yards and in.  The exception would be a long bunker shot where I might hit a 54* or 50* depending on the distance and what type of shot I'm going to attempt.  

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My 58 is my 95 and under club I can push it to 100 but then it’s a low spinny shot. I love using it around the green although I do use my 54 around the green too I can use either or honestly I just mix them up or have a distance I really like with one or the other.

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1 hour ago, B.Boston said:

So for those that use a single club vs multiple, do you guys have different grinds or bounce angles on your wedges?

For me, all three of my wedges have different grinds and bounce angles.  I do that because I do find a difference on a really heavy or tight lie.  Or if I need a fuller swing I know my 52* or 56* have a sole that will lead to more consistent shots than my 60*.

When I was using a 54-58 combo both of my wedges were very close in bounce and had the same grind.  At that time I basically always used the 58*

 

My current setup is a 52-58 combo of Cleveland CBX wedges, which didn't have much in the way of bounce and grind options in the first generation, so club choice is a matter of distance relative to the green. 105-75 I'll use the 52, from 75-25 I'll use the 58, and when I'm inside of 25 yards I prefer to use the 52 (unless I'm short-sided and need to come in steeper).

For my CCC5 Snakebite wedges I went with the classic grind in the 52 (12° of bounce) since I want to be able to comfortably take a full swing with it. In the 58 I went with the versatile grind (8° of bounce) which gives me enough bounce to comfortably chip (I tend to come in steep) but still manipulate the face angle as needed. That club also has full-face grooves, so I'm interested to see how I get along with it.

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