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I don't know if I have a question or a comment here but I thought I'd share what's been on my mind golfing-wise lately.

Phil winning the PGA Championship at his age was very inspiring to me, and many others I'm sure.  It's also a bit gratifying and relieving, in a way that I'll explain.

I turn 43 in a week.  I got started playing golf 9 years ago, and needless to say I'm hooked and obsessed...I spend most waking moments (much to my wife's chagrin) thinking about how to get better.  After literally decades of training for other pursuits, I've finally started to train for power and explosiveness and continue to make incremental improvements in my swing speed numbers.  I also spend a lot of time stretching out and working on mobility, and I'm certain I'm more flexible and mobile than I've ever been.

But, I'm aware I'm getting older.  (I know, I know, many older and better golfers than me here...)  Last fall I battled some plantar fasciitis that I need orthotics to get past, and this year golfer's elbow has been an issue...little aches and pain are appearing that haven't been a problem before.  I also find overall I don't recover from workouts nearly as quick as I used to.

The point of this rambling is this:  I'm competitive by nature and I want to improve every year to the point that I'm a credible player in state-level amateur events, whenever that time is where my ability and career/family align to allow me to do it.  (Maybe that's a lofty goal, but if it is, good...just how I'm wired.)  

The question that keeps creeping up in my mind is what's the window?  How many years can I continue to improve before I inevitably MUST decline?  I don't just mean distance and speed, I mean the whole game...putting and short game feel, all of it.  In fact, I've heard many opine that age catches up with you first in your putting before anywhere else due to nerves, but maybe that's an anecdote towards the pro level.  

If anyone has any thoughts or comments to share I'm all ears, whether its tips and tricks you've used to keep improving as time has marched on, or just your thoughts on the question in general.

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IMO the deterioration in short game and putting doesn't not come from physical deterioration or nerves but from the build up of past mental scars. Getting past that is not easy but is attainable. I know many players that are competitive well into their 60's. 

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Get on hormone replacement therapy. 

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2 minutes ago, Tom the Golf Nut said:

Ok young buck... 

Ha, that didn't take long!

Actually, I'm sure you're right.  Just lofty goals and ambitions, and I get invited to play a lot with military retirees in the area who (to say it delicately) are losing the battle, and I don't want that to happen to me.

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If you go vegan you will apparently live 7-10 years longer on average. 

The old guys are usually the bandits around the green chipping and putting. Eventually can only hit it 150-200, but always down the middle. Club head speed slowly drops, but you got 20-25 years of being able to swing driver at least 110. 

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Well, according to the new Disney+ Marvel show, “Loki”, we can’t!!!

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7 minutes ago, PMookie said:

Well, according to the new Disney+ Marvel show, “Loki”, we can’t!!!

Now that right there is funny. I don't care who you are.

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Get on that TB12 diet. Or Roger Clemens had a solution too. 😂

Na man, as many have said short game should be fine, if not get better. Keep up with some speed training and flexibility and I bet you’ll still bomb them past me in 20 years. 

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45 minutes ago, sirchunksalot said:

That's shaping up to be a great show. 

Totally agree! My girls even watched last night because they enjoyed WandaVision! 

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8 minutes ago, PMookie said:

Totally agree! My girls even watched last night because they enjoyed WandaVision! 

That's awesome! 

I do apologize @Getoffmylawn for the thread hijack. As far as Father Time goes, I think there has been some pretty good advice thus far. I think flexibility, strength training, and playing all have positive effects in getting better as we age. Your "Need for Speed" thread is a positive inspiration for us all. I know I need to really work on these aspects of my game as well. I've done fairly well the last year, losing almost 20 lbs, but fitness wise I have a long way to go. Keep up the great work!

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3 minutes ago, sirchunksalot said:

That's awesome! 

I do apologize @Getoffmylawn for the thread hijack. As far as Father Time goes, I think there has been some pretty good advice thus far. I think flexibility, strength training, and playing all have positive effects in getting better as we age. Your "Need for Speed" thread is a positive inspiration for us all. I know I need to really work on these aspects of my game as well. I've done fairly well the last year, losing almost 20 lbs, but fitness wise I have a long way to go. Keep up the great work!

Same. SORRY!!!

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You dirty hijacking SOBs!  

All good fellas.  I geek out on the Marvel stuff too anyway.  And @sirchunksalot, congrats on the weight loss...impressive!

Plenty of positive enough feedback here to assuage my immediate concerns.

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On 6/10/2021 at 4:19 PM, Getoffmylawn said:

Ha, that didn't take long!

Actually, I'm sure you're right.  Just lofty goals and ambitions, and I get invited to play a lot with military retirees in the area who (to say it delicately) are losing the battle, and I don't want that to happen to me.

If it makes you feel better, I'm mid-30s with similar concerns.  I've spent the last two years really trying to figure out my swing.  During covid, practice was almost exclusively on a mat, and I did a lot of practice which can take a toll on you regardless of age.  My thought process was that while I'm still younger, I should figure out my swing, which has been OTT and heavy, because right now my body can handle the stress of making that change.  I'll have the rest of my life to worry about short game, course management, and the like.  

I'm pretty healthy and I'm in decent shape, but my buddy and I are planning a 40th birthday trip to Bandon and I plan to train some in order to walk 36 a day.  Like you, I've seen some peers that have not taken care of themselves struggle physically, and at my dad's age, he struggles to find friends healthy enough to golf with him.  Never too early to start thinking about longevity, but like others have pointed out, you're probably already better positioned than most.  

On 6/10/2021 at 3:39 PM, Getoffmylawn said:

this year golfer's elbow has been an issue...little aches and pain are appearing that haven't been a problem before.  I also find overall I don't recover from workouts nearly as quick as I used to.

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F L E X I B I L I T Y!!!!!!   Get more and maintain it and you will avoid a lot of aches and pains type stuff!!!  As you get older, workout with enough weights to give resistance and feel strong but not enough to cause injury.   

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On 6/10/2021 at 3:15 PM, Tom the Golf Nut said:

Ok young buck, your thinking to much. Next week I turn 62 and my handicap has gone down from around a 5 to it's current 1.6 over the last 4 years.

Well, good to know I have at least 10 more years of potential improvement!  😀

 

 

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I anticipate getting a lot better, once I stop working 5 days a week, in about a year (I'm 55 now).  I can assure you the most important thing I have seen here, and its something I started working on about two years ago, IS FLEXIBILITY AND STRETCHING!  Start Now if you don't.  I went from playing tennis, and softball at 43, to playing golf, not quite as active of a sport.  Part of it was age, part of it was overall inactivity, but I went from 43 and barely having to stretch and having rubber bands for hamstrings, to 53 and having a couple of broomsticks for hamstrings.  Stretch, Stretch, Stretch!  That's my input!!

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On 6/10/2021 at 3:39 PM, Getoffmylawn said:

I also find overall I don't recover from workouts nearly as quick as I used to.

This is likely due to you exceeding your maximum recovery volume either weekly or combined over whatever your mesocycles of training are. Could possibly be about calorie intake especially protein and also sleep, life stressors outside the gym. 

On 6/10/2021 at 3:39 PM, Getoffmylawn said:

The question that keeps creeping up in my mind is what's the window?  How many years can I continue to improve before I inevitably MUST decline?  I don't just mean distance and speed, I mean the whole game...putting and short game feel, all of it.  In fact, I've heard many opine that age catches up with you first in your putting before anywhere else due to nerves, but maybe that's an anecdote towards the pro level.

Age is going to catchup but we have to check the egos and play from tee boxes that allow one to score well as well as play the game in a manner that minimizes penalties...both of which are no different than how to approach playing well at any age

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On 6/10/2021 at 4:15 PM, Tom the Golf Nut said:

Ok young buck, your thinking to much. Next week I turn 62 and my handicap has gone down from around a 5 to it's current 1.6 over the last 4 years. Your never to old to get better. My driving distance has increased, my long and short game is good. Most importantly I do not know what a gym is! Never been inside one. I am not a range rat either. The key to maintaining your level of play as you get older is maintaining flexibility and play golf. This summer my plan is to improve my middle game accuracy. Then I hope to see my handicap drop even more. Always set a goal and try to achieve it. 

Reminds me of a conversation I overheard in our pro shop between one of our older members and the Pro. He said his drives were off a bit so he wanted to schedule a lesson. A former Tuskegee Airman (WWII), he's 94 and note i see him on the range all the time. Now that's a positive attitude! 

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