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Looking for some advice. I have been playing with clubs with Regular Plus shafts, which have been great, but have gotten a smidge to stiff for me. After asking around, it looks like new clubs would actually be a better buy than reshafting. So, for probably my last club purchase, what will be more important, club head or shaft? Also, would a game improvement iron, with the right shaft, work just as well as super game improvement? I've been a Ping guy and like the looks of the G425s, the 710s I guess are pretty long, so maybe they would be better as I get older. Or, a different club maker than those.? I trust you guys, so any advice would be greatly appreciated.

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12 hours ago, Max Carry said:

 I am new here and would appreciate some help from you. Please tell me where I can find posts in this golf club regarding golf tips and facts.   

Simple. Use the search function with what specifically you are looking for and explore from there.

⛳🛄 as of Nov 6, 2023 (Past WITB
Driver:  :callaway-small: Paradym TD w/ GD ADDI 6X Driver Shootout! 

Wood:    :cobra-small: F7 3 wood 14.5* w/ Motore F1 Shaft

Irons:   :titleist-small: T Series - T200 5 Iron
                                          T150 6-9 Iron
                                          T100 PW/GW

Wedge:  Toura Golf - A Spec 53,37,61 degree 

Putter:  Screenshot 2023-06-02 13.10.30.png Mezz Max!

Balls:     Vice Pro Plus Drip (Blue/Orange)

 

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During the podcast regarding the ball test months back, Tony said that one thing that stood out to him was the trajectory of different dimple patterns. He said an article on that would be fourth coming. My interest is still here. I'm using a launch monitor a lot this winter, but I know that it considers every ball to have the same simple pattern. I'm curious if it gives some balls better flight then they would actually have, and conversely of it would give other balls worse flight then they would have. 

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Driver:   :taylormade-small: SIM2 Max 12° - Accra TZ6 M4

FW Wood:     th.jpg.d6e2abdaeb04f007fd259c979f389de6.jpg Gen5 0311 7w  Fujikura Motore X F3

Irons:   :srixon-small: ZX7 PW-7i, ZX5 6i-5i

Wedges: :cleveland-small:  Zipcore 50°, 58°

Putter:   :taylormade-small: MySpider X

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49 minutes ago, Thin2win said:

During the podcast regarding the ball test months back, Tony said that one thing that stood out to him was the trajectory of different dimple patterns. He said an article on that would be fourth coming. My interest is still here. I'm using a launch monitor a lot this winter, but I know that it considers every ball to have the same simple pattern. I'm curious if it gives some balls better flight then they would actually have, and conversely of it would give other balls worse flight then they would have. 

I would be curious to see this too. And more to it would different dimple patterns have benefits for players who may have different needs for certain spin profiles. 

⛳🛄 as of Nov 6, 2023 (Past WITB
Driver:  :callaway-small: Paradym TD w/ GD ADDI 6X Driver Shootout! 

Wood:    :cobra-small: F7 3 wood 14.5* w/ Motore F1 Shaft

Irons:   :titleist-small: T Series - T200 5 Iron
                                          T150 6-9 Iron
                                          T100 PW/GW

Wedge:  Toura Golf - A Spec 53,37,61 degree 

Putter:  Screenshot 2023-06-02 13.10.30.png Mezz Max!

Balls:     Vice Pro Plus Drip (Blue/Orange)

 

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Being bit of a math geek, I’d love to see statistical significance/confidence information on review results.  I think we may find that we are thinking one product is better than the other when statistically it’s just noise.  It may murky many of the results/ conclusions made in these tests, but at least they will represent the truth behind the numbers much better.  To get to statistical sign I can’t results you may find that some testing may need to be expanded (more subject and more shots)

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On 11/18/2021 at 3:30 PM, rpaikowski said:

So, for probably my last club purchase, what will be more important, club head or shaft? Also, would a game improvement iron, with the right shaft, work just as well as super game improvement?

Nobody can answer this. For club or shaft it’s neither, but rather the combo of them. With that said shafts don’t nearly have the impact that most people think they do.

as for club type it depends on what works best for you. It could be that neither work best because of weight, look or something like turf interaction 

Driver: PXG 0811 X+ Proto w/UST Helium 5F4

Wood: TaylorMade M5 5W w/Accra TZ5 +1/2”, TaylorMade Sim 3W w/Aldila rogue white

Hybrid: PXG Gen2 22* w/AD hybrid

Irons: PXG Gen3 0311T w/Nippon modus 120

Wedges: TaylorMade MG2 50*, Tiger grind 56/60

Putter: Scotty Caemeron Super Rat1

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Can we get a little feedback on what is being done with this thread?  It's been up for about 6 months and I think there have been a lot of good ideas and questions brought up here and unless I missed it I haven't seen any type of response or interaction.

Certainly don't expect a response to every post but I figured we would have seen something come up in a NPG or an article written...

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I want to see the talk of bringing the app back. When it was on my phone, I felt like I checked it daily. Now, with everything else going on, I feel like I spend less time on MGS. It's not a knock on the site itself, but I just feel like if it's not right there, more stuff grabs my attention/time.

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14 hours ago, Rtracymog said:

I want to see the talk of bringing the app back. When it was on my phone, I felt like I checked it daily. Now, with everything else going on, I feel like I spend less time on MGS. It's not a knock on the site itself, but I just feel like if it's not right there, more stuff grabs my attention/time.

I was just looking for the app because I kept coming across posts that had the "Posted from App on my (insert phone type here)".  Would love to see an app and would be willing to test it in my free time if needed. I test software for a living so really would be in my wheel house on this.

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Question for HQ (maybe specifically for Tony): the 2022 Most Wanted Utility Iron dropped last week (6/27) and news of the new Stealth Utility Iron and Driving Iron dropped today (7/5). Given the interest and high performance of the Stealth line, I have to imagine that positive interest (and possibly performance) will also carry over into these new clubs.

Presumably, the article was previously written and the posting embargo lifted today. Was/is there any communication between MGS staffers on new clubs coming out and the posting of the Most Wanted series? It seems like it would be unfortunate to have to wait another year before seeing how the Stealth UDI and DHY stack up against the other utility irons because the Most Wanted Utility Iron article dropped a week too early. Would the Most Wanted list be updated to include this latest release?

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Wood:     :cobra-small: LTDx Max 3W 15.5°, MCG C6 Red 50 R

Hybrid:     :titleist-small: TS2 4H 23°; 5H 25°, Mitsubishi Kuro Kage Black 60 Graphite Regular

Irons:       :cobra-small: LTD (5-9); :Fuji: Vista PRO 60i R

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59 minutes ago, mynerds said:


Question for HQ (maybe specifically for Tony): the 2022 Most Wanted Utility Iron dropped last week (6/27) and news of the new Stealth Utility Iron and Driving Iron dropped today (7/5). Given the interest and high performance of the Stealth line, I have to imagine that positive interest (and possibly performance) will also carry over into these new clubs.

Presumably, the article was previously written and the posting embargo lifted today. Was/is there any communication between MGS staffers on new clubs coming out and the posting of the Most Wanted series? It seems like it would be unfortunate to have to wait another year before seeing how the Stealth UDI and DHY stack up against the other utility irons because the Most Wanted Utility Iron article dropped a week too early. Would the Most Wanted list be updated to include this latest release?

While I am not staff, I am one of the most wanted testers and talk to the guys pretty regularly so I have some insight into the process.    There is communication between all the staff on what is coming out and what is being tested.
 

from a testing perspective,  OEMs send clubs they want tested to MGS and MGS buys some high interest  clubs in the open market if the OEM didnt send them.  Just because a club hasn’t been released doesn’t mean it won’t be tested.  Testing starts in December and there is frequently embargo’d clubs as part of the testing.  We are still in the process of testing clubs with hybrids wrapping up, 3 woods, and wedges still on the list so no, we won’t go back and test the new TM clubs for this years utility iron tests so it would probably be next year before it was included.   
 

hope that helps. 

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Fairway: :titelist-small: TS3 15*  w/Project X Hzardous Smoke
Hybrids:  :titelist-small: 915H 21* w/KBS Tour Graphite Hybrid Prototype
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Since no one from HQ responded in my thread about lack of testing opportunities from major OEMs this year, unlike years past, how about they respond here as to why this is the case this year knowing full-well it’s not a supply chain issue. Thanks. 

Driver: Ping G430 Max 9*, Ping Tour 70X

Fairway: Ping G425 15*, Ping Tour 70X

Hybrid: Ping G425 22*, Ping Tour 80X

Irons:  Ping i230 4-GW, TT DG X100

Wedges: :edel-golf-1: SMS 50D/54V/58D:Nippon:Modus 130 stiff, +1”

Putter:  :edel-golf-1: EAS 1.0

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15 minutes ago, PMookie said:

Since no one from HQ responded in my thread about lack of testing opportunities from major OEMs this year, unlike years past, how about they respond here as to why this is the case this year knowing full-well it’s not a supply chain issue. Thanks. 

They’re too busy doing big write-ups for free coolers they get 

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18 minutes ago, PMookie said:

Since no one from HQ responded in my thread about lack of testing opportunities from major OEMs this year, unlike years past, how about they respond here as to why this is the case this year knowing full-well it’s not a supply chain issue. Thanks. 

Didn’t @GolfSpy_APH and maybe @Golfspy_CG2 answer that saying it was a decision made by some of the brands and/or hq to test products later in the year?

I recall a longish post explaining it in one of the threads

Driver: PXG 0811 X+ Proto w/UST Helium 5F4

Wood: TaylorMade M5 5W w/Accra TZ5 +1/2”, TaylorMade Sim 3W w/Aldila rogue white

Hybrid: PXG Gen2 22* w/AD hybrid

Irons: PXG Gen3 0311T w/Nippon modus 120

Wedges: TaylorMade MG2 50*, Tiger grind 56/60

Putter: Scotty Caemeron Super Rat1

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1 minute ago, RickyBobby_PR said:

Didn’t @GolfSpy_APH and maybe @Golfspy_CG2 answer that saying it was a decision made by some of the brands and/or hq to test products later in the year?

I recall a longish post explaining it in one of the threads

Can't say it was me. I haven't really had any interaction from anyone at HQ in quite some time. Hopefully with Bennetts new idea of doing a zoom call for forum members to discuss Most Wanted Testing gets off the ground and can help answer a lot of these questions. 

⛳🛄 as of Nov 6, 2023 (Past WITB
Driver:  :callaway-small: Paradym TD w/ GD ADDI 6X Driver Shootout! 

Wood:    :cobra-small: F7 3 wood 14.5* w/ Motore F1 Shaft

Irons:   :titleist-small: T Series - T200 5 Iron
                                          T150 6-9 Iron
                                          T100 PW/GW

Wedge:  Toura Golf - A Spec 53,37,61 degree 

Putter:  Screenshot 2023-06-02 13.10.30.png Mezz Max!

Balls:     Vice Pro Plus Drip (Blue/Orange)

 

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41 minutes ago, GolfSpy_APH said:

Can't say it was me. I haven't really had any interaction from anyone at HQ in quite some time. Hopefully with Bennetts new idea of doing a zoom call for forum members to discuss Most Wanted Testing gets off the ground and can help answer a lot of these questions. 

THAT is the direction they are going with things???.  Has Bennett ever interacted on a golf forum before?

That's not how this works.  That is now how any of this works.  

I am on a golf forum to discuss things.... get this... ON A GOLF FORUM.

I feel bad for the mods having to manage through all of this BS.

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58 minutes ago, RickyBobby_PR said:

Didn’t @GolfSpy_APH and maybe @Golfspy_CG2 answer that saying it was a decision made by some of the brands and/or hq to test products later in the year?

I recall a longish post explaining it in one of the threads

Those two are not HQ. HQ made some decisions this year that have affected testing opportunities, so I feel it’s a great chance for them to share what the new direction is long-term since it was their decision to change things this year. Mods are mods, this is an “HQ answers your questions” thread.

Driver: Ping G430 Max 9*, Ping Tour 70X

Fairway: Ping G425 15*, Ping Tour 70X

Hybrid: Ping G425 22*, Ping Tour 80X

Irons:  Ping i230 4-GW, TT DG X100

Wedges: :edel-golf-1: SMS 50D/54V/58D:Nippon:Modus 130 stiff, +1”

Putter:  :edel-golf-1: EAS 1.0

Ball: Titleist 2023 AVX

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8 hours ago, jlukes said:

THAT is the direction they are going with things???.  Has Bennett ever interacted on a golf forum before?

That's not how this works.  That is now how any of this works.  

I am on a golf forum to discuss things.... get this... ON A GOLF FORUM.

I feel bad for the mods having to manage through all of this BS.

Again I need to reiterate that I don't have contact with HQ as THV is our Community Manager and the one that has those discussions.

The zoom idea I could see working for a select few. Not for me as the time change makes it highly unlikely I'll be able to partake. 

That being said I believe Bennett is going to introduce herself and look to get more involved on the forum (from the news that was past along to me and the other mods from THV).

It has been great to see Dave and Barbs on more recently contributing! We appreciate it and it makes a difference.

I would still love to see Tony bring back the gratuitous photo posts he use to make. I've requested it, but not sure if it went anywhere? 

Hopefully we see more continued activity from HQ staff and Bennett is able to come on and get involved on the forum and that could help both the forum and this new zoom member platform that has been discussed.

⛳🛄 as of Nov 6, 2023 (Past WITB
Driver:  :callaway-small: Paradym TD w/ GD ADDI 6X Driver Shootout! 

Wood:    :cobra-small: F7 3 wood 14.5* w/ Motore F1 Shaft

Irons:   :titleist-small: T Series - T200 5 Iron
                                          T150 6-9 Iron
                                          T100 PW/GW

Wedge:  Toura Golf - A Spec 53,37,61 degree 

Putter:  Screenshot 2023-06-02 13.10.30.png Mezz Max!

Balls:     Vice Pro Plus Drip (Blue/Orange)

 

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9 hours ago, GolfSpy_APH said:

Can't say it was me. I haven't really had any interaction from anyone at HQ in quite some time. Hopefully with Bennetts new idea of doing a zoom call for forum members to discuss Most Wanted Testing gets off the ground and can help answer a lot of these questions. 

@RickyBobby_PRsorry i read that at about 3am my time and completely missed the meaning of that. I should just not respond in the middle of the night.

Yes I did do up a post. Forget where, may have been on the "MGS Forum Now and Future" but short version HQ provides testing, mods simply run tests for them.

⛳🛄 as of Nov 6, 2023 (Past WITB
Driver:  :callaway-small: Paradym TD w/ GD ADDI 6X Driver Shootout! 

Wood:    :cobra-small: F7 3 wood 14.5* w/ Motore F1 Shaft

Irons:   :titleist-small: T Series - T200 5 Iron
                                          T150 6-9 Iron
                                          T100 PW/GW

Wedge:  Toura Golf - A Spec 53,37,61 degree 

Putter:  Screenshot 2023-06-02 13.10.30.png Mezz Max!

Balls:     Vice Pro Plus Drip (Blue/Orange)

 

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18 hours ago, RickyBobby_PR said:

Didn’t @GolfSpy_APH and maybe @Golfspy_CG2 answer that saying it was a decision made by some of the brands and/or hq to test products later in the year?

I recall a longish post explaining it in one of the threads

I knew I had read this too and couldn't recall from where. Finally dug up the posts from @GolfSpy_THV and @GolfSpy_APH Links below for anyone interested

 

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Dear MGS Staff,   Have you ever considered doing a most wanted test on Driver Shafts?  Broken into categories similar to the Most Wanted Driver tests?  Subjective? oh, a tad, but still entertaining and could be somewhat informational. 

 

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Alright which one of you broke the forum this morning? 😂

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Hybrid:     :titleist-small: TS2 4H 23°; 5H 25°, Mitsubishi Kuro Kage Black 60 Graphite Regular

Irons:       :cobra-small: LTD (5-9); :Fuji: Vista PRO 60i R

Wedges:  :taylormade-small: Milled Grind 3 - 54.11 (56°), :taylormade-small: Milled Grind 3 - 60.10; :Fuji: Vista PRO 60i R

Putter:      :odyssey-small: White Hot Pro 1 / :odyssey-small: 2-Ball Ten Armlock

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Balls:      :maxfli: Tour

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Driver:  :callaway-small: Paradym TD w/ GD ADDI 6X Driver Shootout! 

Wood:    :cobra-small: F7 3 wood 14.5* w/ Motore F1 Shaft

Irons:   :titleist-small: T Series - T200 5 Iron
                                          T150 6-9 Iron
                                          T100 PW/GW

Wedge:  Toura Golf - A Spec 53,37,61 degree 

Putter:  Screenshot 2023-06-02 13.10.30.png Mezz Max!

Balls:     Vice Pro Plus Drip (Blue/Orange)

 

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6 hours ago, tommc23 said:

It was down for 12 hours I was going into withdrawals 😂😂😂

I was developing a twitch. So I had to go play 18 in hopes it would be back up by the time I got home. I was wrong! Then a short nap. Still nothing. I went and mowed the back lawn. An hour later I was done and came back in and here I am. Withdrawals are gone and 1/3 of the mowing is done.

You would think things were fully tested  before going live. This isn't the first time this happened.

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On 7/15/2022 at 5:10 PM, tommc23 said:

Damnit man a heads up next time so we can prepare would be nice 😂😂😂

Yeah, I had just completed a reply to someone... hit Submit Reply and that was it.  When I could get back in, I had forgotten who I was replying to and what the topic was.  Still not sure if it made it or it went into the twilight zone.

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