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COSTCO has Kirkland golf balls for less than 1/2 the price of Pro V’s.  They go just as far and get lost just as easily, but they’re not in the $4/each price range. 

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On 6/21/2021 at 8:56 AM, MrShowbiz999 said:

Greetings, fellow Spyers . . . 

So my game is improving (hit my first 230yd drive on Father's Day!) however my ability to lose a ridiculous amount of golf balls in any given round remains the same!

I play red and yellow golf balls so it's easier for me to find and ID mine on the course, and have been playing the Srixon Soft Feel, Bridgestone e6 Soft, and the Taylor Made Soft Response (I am a 59yo "beginner") Played my first Pro V1's this weekend (courtesy of my son-in-law) and was wondering if there was such a thing as the "Poor-Man's" Pro V1 so I can play those and am not throwing away $50-$100 per round (yes, I lost 2dz golf balls in the high weeds this weekend.)

Thanks All . . .

Congratulations!  230 is awesome. Just straighten out the approach shots. Losing balls is part of the game. Check with lost golf balls.com. Good deals on all used brands of various conditions 

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Srixon Q-Star Tour are great. 70 compression, which is much better than the 90+ of Pro V1. Buy them on sale, they just had buy 2 get one free. They also have a red/yellow split, like the old Ping balls.

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On 6/21/2021 at 1:43 PM, cnosil said:

you will get the best performance out of a tour level ball; both distance and spin control.   That said based on you game description I personally would look at less expensive balls; maybe even used, since you lose so many.  Distance should be about the same with the biggest downgrade being iron and green side spin.  You can always switch once you get beater control of you shot dispersion. 

This..as cnosil said start off with cheaper balls whether used or new. You are going to lose a lot when you first get into the game. Maxfli soft flight are 2 dozen for $35 @ your local Dicks Sporting Goods store. Stock up on them.  Once you start keeping the ball mostly in the fairway then start experimenting with different balls and seeing which feels better to you and which handles better for approach shots and distance. No one ball is perfect for everyone so you will have to find the one that fits your game once your game becomes more consistent. As others have said, take lessons to become more consistent but best of all just have fun out there!

 

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Agree with the Costco route…2 dozen 3-piece urethane balls for $25. Forget all of these non-urethane balls as they’re oranges in an apples comparison. For the price, value, performance and availability, Kirkland Signature 3-piece urethane cover golf ball v2.0 is your ball.

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1) Snell

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tell your family, Christmas birthdays,father's days Etc Please golf balls be specific several different price points and/or gift certificates to continue lessons.

65 year old in Michigan

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On 6/21/2021 at 8:56 AM, MrShowbiz999 said:

Greetings, fellow Spyers . . . 

So my game is improving (hit my first 230yd drive on Father's Day!) however my ability to lose a ridiculous amount of golf balls in any given round remains the same!

I play red and yellow golf balls so it's easier for me to find and ID mine on the course, and have been playing the Srixon Soft Feel, Bridgestone e6 Soft, and the Taylor Made Soft Response (I am a 59yo "beginner") Played my first Pro V1's this weekend (courtesy of my son-in-law) and was wondering if there was such a thing as the "Poor-Man's" Pro V1 so I can play those and am not throwing away $50-$100 per round (yes, I lost 2dz golf balls in the high weeds this weekend.)

Thanks All . . .

Hi,

 

I would play the best ball at the best price. The Srixon z-star was on sale in Canada last week at half price. 28$ for a dozen, that's hard to beat for a premium ball. And I'm sure wherever you are that you can find theses kind of deals once in a while. The Costco option is definitely a good one too. I'm a decent player (8.8 index) and I refuse to pay 65$/dozen (in Canada) for Titleist balls.

I didn't read al the comments so hopefully this hasn't been said before...

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The ONLY people who benefit from prov1 and other tour balls are single digits with 100mph plus swing speeds.   The rest are kidding themselves and feeding their own ego playing those balls.   Slower swing speeds (that's you and me and virtually everyone else our age) can't compress balls that hard, so gain none of the benefits of them.   Softer balls will be better for your aging skeleton and will perform much better for you at any handicap level.   FYI, my handicap runs between 4 and 6 from the regular men's trees and I never play anything harder than a 50 compression and never spend more than 20 bucks a dozen, absolute max.   Ignore the ball snobs and play what is appropriate for your age and game. 

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I guess I'll answer by asking are you sure ProV1 is the ball for you?  Being that you're just starting out and donating lots of balls to the woods & water charities, I'd suggest a non-tour ball until you get your game established and can start to get the more subtle ball control differences. There are a number of options that are roughly half the cost.

I play with a guy in Yuma, AZ that is a 5 handicap and absolutely loves Titleist Velocity in the red and lime green colors.  He's on a budget and simply does not feel the tour level balls provide enough added performance to justify the expense.

Lastly, I just started using the Kirkland Performance + and like them... don't think they come in color though?

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I know you are looking for something today and Snell is out of stock but I would definitely recommend circling back and trying them when they are back in stock.  They're a good price for a premium ball. 

Also, I wouldn't listen to the people saying, buy the cheap ball.  Buy the best ball that fits your game, that you can afford and afford to lose.  I've been on a quest to find a lower spinning ball myself.  I like the Snell and I currently play the MTB black but I would benefit from less spin from driver to wedge and am looking for something that fits the bill.  Problem is that pretty much leaves me with the AVX or the left dash proV1X.  I also don't want to spend that much on a dozen balls if I can help it.

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I've been playing golf a long time and I still don't enjoy losing golf balls. I play the Callaway Supersoft yellow ball and it has very good distance, decent spin around the greens and costs $20 a dz. I'd go with this ball for now.

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On 6/21/2021 at 12:39 PM, MrShowbiz999 said:

So . . . I AM taking lessons, and I am losing less and less balls by the round, but when I play a really challenging private course like this weekend vs. some of the more forgiving public courses, I've yet to figure out how NOT to put my ball in the high grass/weeds and find those damn things!!! LOL (this was an anomaly)

I understand that you are just beginning and taking lessons which is a good thing. I also know that hitting balls on the range all the time gets boring and you want to get out on a course. I would suggest that you play the more forgiving courses for some time until you can keep the ball in play and play the correct tees.

1. You will enjoy the game more by playing these type courses, it gets very frustrating when you are hitting the ball in the woods, hazards or knee high grass.

2. I would not be concerned with trying to find a golf ball similar to a Pro V1 at this point. There are plenty of very good golf balls available for you to use without paying $35 -$45 per dozen and you will not notice the difference.

Continue to take the lessons and practice, this will help you achieve the goal of keeping the ball in play. Then you can move on to the more challenging courses.

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On 6/21/2021 at 12:28 PM, MrShowbiz999 said:

Given my current skill level, should I even be entertaining a Pro V1-like ball? Maybe I need to dial-back my enthusiasm and find something else like the ones I am already playing?

I was scrolling down to see who would be the first person to say this. And it was you! I believe you said you are a 59 yo beginner, and just hit a 230 yard drive as your longest ever. This alone tells me that you SHOULD NOT be even thinking about playing the ProV1. ProV1 is a high compression golf ball for players with a HIGH swing speed. It is very unlikely you have the swing speed (110+ mph) to take advantage of the ProV1. I'm about your age, have been playing for 50 years and can still pop it out there 260-280 on my best hits. My swing speed is in the 90s. Your game (and your pocketbook) will benefit from a lower compression ball. There are many VERY GOOD ones available at half or less the cost of the ProV1. Just google "best lower compression golf balls" and you will get lots of good suggestions. Now maybe you are super fit and athletic, and a year from now when you start shooting low 80s, and driving the ball 300 yards, you may revisit this question. But for now, I say save yourself some money and hit any decent lower compression ball and you will be just fine. 

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Finally, someone else talking sense.  Pros play a very different game than we do. Most amateurs realize they shouldn't play the extra stiff shafts pros use.. or the blade irons many pros use.. these are designed for swings much faster and more precise than we can manage and using them would be a detriment, not a benefit.  Yet when it comes to the ball, there is some mental disconnect, and they think they should be playing their favorite pro's ball. That ball was designed for the same high speed, precise swing as the shafts and blades mentioned above. That ball is not maximizing YOUR game. Slower, less precise swings will benefit from lower compression balls. As I said before denying it is just boosting your ego on the first tee when you get to say "I'm playing prov1 today." If it's worth $50 and hurting your game for that moment, have at it. 

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If you are just beginning, forget Pro V1 comparisons. I would refer you to many in house specials at Golf Galaxy/Dick's along with specials from manufacturers. 

Golf Galaxy always has a special section of price point deals-Callaway Diablo -2 dozen for $40; Srixon currently has a buy 2 dozen get a dozen free on some of their models; 

Shop around and try different brands-my buddy has gone from a Titliest Pro V1 appetite to a Titliest Velocity and they come in a variety of colors-he loves them and he was never able to generate the clubhead speed to take advantage of the Pro V1.

Good luck!

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9 hours ago, dnett said:

 It is very unlikely you have the swing speed (110+ mph) to take advantage of the ProV1. 

6 hours ago, Riverboat said:

That ball was designed for the same high speed, precise swing as the shafts and blades mentioned above. That ball is not maximizing YOUR game. Slower, less precise swings will benefit from lower compression balls. 

I would suggest he not play the ball due to his currently playing ability and amount of lost balls/cost factor.
 

 Indicating that the ball doesn’t work for slower swing speeds is just an incorrect statement.   Perhaps you should look at the LPGA players; where swing speeds average in the mid 90s, yet they still play play ProV1s. 

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17 hours ago, Riverboat said:

The ONLY people who benefit from prov1 and other tour balls are single digits with 100mph plus swing speeds. 

Already been debunked by people on the course in various threads on this and other forums but also in the 2019 mgs ball study

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1 hour ago, RickyBobby_PR said:

Already been debunked by people on the course in various threads on this and other forums but also in the 2019 mgs ball study

And proven by other studies elsewhere. You believe what you wanna believe to make you feel better about tossing away that money. Pro balls are for pros and suckers. 

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1 minute ago, Riverboat said:

And proven by other studies elsewhere. You believe what you wanna believe to make you feel better about tossing away that money. Pro balls are for pros and suckers. 

Based on any study I have ever seen this is very bad advice so I'm jumping in and calling you on it.  Where's the study that begins to suggest that a Urethane ball doesn't benefit golfers?  

 

You are certainly entitled to hold your own opinions and purchase whatever ball you might please.  But if you wish to make a blanket statement as if it were fact you need proof especially on a website that has published a study that tested over 10K shots and suggests the opposite of what you're stating.  You haven't even begun to answer the question of why LPGA players with an average driver of swing speed of 93 mph play urethane balls.  It's their lively hood.  That choice in and of itself debunks your theory.  So let's see the link to the study that you've mentione that we might check it out and have all the facts on the table.

  

To the original poster I would agree with what Csnoil and others have written - if you're loosing a lot of balls you may wish to go cheap for now - If you have access to Costco though going with the Ksig is cheap and you are getting used to playing with urethane.  It's also easy enough to go to Dicks and buy their Maxfli Tour ball which is extremely affordable.

 

Best wishes on improving your game.

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