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16 hours ago, jlukes said:

Care to explain why you think it’s a complete waste of money?

I have also tried it twice.  Not for me.  I will not carry a phone in my pocket and it missed too many shots when paired with my Apple Watch.  e.g. if I shot a 93, Arccos would say 57.  That's WAY WAY too many shots to edit.  I thought the caddie feature was pretty cool though.

Perhaps it works better with the new Link.  But its an expensive proposition if it does not.

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10 minutes ago, Dr Strangelove said:

I have also tried it twice.  Not for me.  I will not carry a phone in my pocket and it missed too many shots when paired with my Apple Watch.  e.g. if I shot a 93, Arccos would say 57.  That's WAY WAY too many shots to edit.  I thought the caddie feature was pretty cool though.

Perhaps it works better with the new Link.  But its an expensive proposition if it does not.

I agree about the phone in the pocket - but it has worked with minimal editing (and almost no shots missed) with my apple watch and Link.  

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I've only posted about 4 rounds so far, but have question. I use my 7 iron to pitch out of the woods, 2-3 times a round. Do those go into my average of how far I hit my 7 iron?

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3 Wood: Ping G410 15*

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43 minutes ago, Ezmoney5150 said:

I've only posted about 4 rounds so far, but have question. I use my 7 iron to pitch out of the woods, 2-3 times a round. Do those go into my average of how far I hit my 7 iron?

No, it won't. I would have to go back and triple check. However it will recognize and chip vs full shot. The other option is when reviewing the round to label the shot as a chip and therefore not a full shot which is counted towards your distance numbers. 

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1 hour ago, Ezmoney5150 said:

I've only posted about 4 rounds so far, but have question. I use my 7 iron to pitch out of the woods, 2-3 times a round. Do those go into my average of how far I hit my 7 iron?

You can actually see when you look at the shots for that club which ones it uses to calculate the average (green) and which ones it excludes (red, it assumes chip or chunk).

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Thanks.  I appreciate the feedback.

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3 Wood: Ping G410 15*

5 Wood: Ping G425 19*

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On 6/23/2021 at 2:48 PM, Dr Strangelove said:

I have also tried it twice.  Not for me.  I will not carry a phone in my pocket and it missed too many shots when paired with my Apple Watch.  e.g. if I shot a 93, Arccos would say 57.  That's WAY WAY too many shots to edit.  I thought the caddie feature was pretty cool though.

Perhaps it works better with the new Link.  But its an expensive proposition if it does not.

I agree it's not for everyone.  It has made changes to how I play golf very quickly in a few ways that I'm not sure I like.  I used to always estimate distance then shoot it with a laser to keep my estimating skills sharp.  With the fairly intense pace of play our club pushes I just don't do that anymore.  I just look at the app distance to middle and fire away.  I think it's a bit "dumb" when it comes to taking elevation into account.  It also doesn't understand that I hit my 4i a 7i distance because it was uphill into a 20mph wind.  I suppose I could exclude shots like that, but it seems like it should know that since it can calculate that you need to hit a 4i into the wind, uphill instead of a 7i (just an example, not even a real example).  So some of my club distances don't really make sense - then it uses those when making a suggestion.

That being said, for my most used clubs, it knows my game better than I do.  Often, when I choose something else I regret it.  Sometimes it's obvious there's something whack with what it's suggesting, but not that often. 

I think the missed shots thing comes down to what direction people have the microphone and perhaps dirty sensors that need just a dusting of air to clean them out.

I don't mind my phone in the front left pocket as that's the pocket I have it in all the time, but I do get why some might not like that.  I don't see why it couldn't be on your push cart and just park it really close to where you are hitting.  I've tried that and it also worked well.

I've only used it with an iphone, so can't say with the watch.  I could never play golf with a watch on my wrist, so I suppose what works for some doesn't for others.

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@StrokerAce you might want to pay attention to what's being missed. If you're under a tree on a darker, overcast day, there may not be enough light to activate, at least that's my story for the rare miss I've encountered. Nevermind that it means I spend too much time among the trees.

I'm going on two full years and only replaced the putter sensor. Everything else has been pretty much bullet proof.

It never occurred to me that I should just remove the putter sensor because it always requires editing, especially with the soft face of my StrokeLab on shorter putts.

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35 minutes ago, Clayton said:

I think it's a bit "dumb" when it comes to taking elevation into account.  It also doesn't understand that I hit my 4i a 7i distance because it was uphill into a 20mph wind.  I suppose I could exclude shots like that, but it seems like it should know that since it can calculate that you need to hit a 4i into the wind, uphill instead of a 7i (just an example, not even a real example).  So some of my club distances don't really make sense - then it uses those when making a suggestion.

It really works on the law of large numbers.  If you have a limited number of shots with a club, it's going to include everything into the sample.  I've solved this for long irons by playing a quick nine and teeing off with them.  I realize that if you're paying greens fees, that's not a great solution.  I wish they'd give you a way to generate data other than just playing.  But once you play enough, their outlier detection works pretty well.

I used to be a huge fan of Arccos, but it's become somewhat problematic for me lately.  

  • Arccos works horribly with my phone (Moto G7)
  • I have a Link, but it's yet another device to leave at home (which I do) or forget to charge (which I do)
  • When I do remember my Link and remember to charge it, it frequently loses contact with my phone
  • If I'm playing with other people, I don't want to mess with my phone

I used to have good luck with Arccos using both a really cheap Android phone (Samsung J7) and an old iPhone.  So I'm pretty sure that the problem is my phone and not Arccos itself.  I'll dig out the old iPhone and see if it works better, but then that's another device I need to remember to bring with me.

Is anyone using Arccos with a recent Android phone and having good results (I need a new phone and I'm not an iPhone fan)?  Even if a new phone works better with Link, I'd like to have my phone as a fallback for the times I forget to bring/charge my Link.  I'm willing to buy a phone based on its success with Arccos as long as it's not ridiculously expensive.

 

 

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Not really material for Q&A but I figured that perhaps describing my experience might help someone.

Recently I decided to invest in my golf game and purchased Arccos Caddie sensors and Link. A couple of days ago I put them in play and despite having a record low round, I spent too much time on the phone adding and editing the shots to the point that it somewhat ruined the enjoyment of being on a golf course after a long time. First, it took the Link about 15-20 minutes to acquire GPS signal on a bright sunny day with not a cloud or tree in sight. When Link acquired GPS signal it had no problem maintaining the signal but the Link missed vast majority of my shots. OK, I understand missing short putts and gentle chips but when Link detected only tee shots it got annoying really fast. I tried fiddling with the position of the Link, first on left side of the belt, than front left side of the belt and finally lower on bottom of the left pocket. No change. Shirt was tightly tucked in pants the whole time so the Link was not covered and its microphone was unobstructed.

Before selling the system I decided to give it another chance because information provided was unlike anything I have seen before. Just out of caution I re-paired all sensors (and in the process found 2 clubs that were for some reason not paired) and read a bit more about the system and common solutions on this forum. Yesterdays round was much better. Link acquired signal in 5 minutes and held to it for dear life despite slightly overcast weather. At first Link again missed majority of shots but then I remembered someones advice to make a couple more practice swings and out of curiosity repositioned the Link on top of the knot I usually make with the end of my woven belt so it protruded out a bit more. Such a difference! Link missed just one full shot in remaining 15 holes (probably because I was in the dark under the trees right after sunset), a couple of short chip-and-runs (clean strike with very little sound and vibration), one pitch that I hit 2 meters from previous position (punch out with upside-down 6 iron from below the bush that Arccos probably thought was from the same position) and 50% of putts from 1 meter or closer (that were very quiet).

Considering the limitations of the system heavily depending on microphone and light, I think the second round went pretty pretty darn good. It seems that phone and Link need a bit more time together to work smoothly and a bit of patience and effort from the side of an user is needed. 

 

 

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i had issues with this. I emailed them and they sent me new ones pretty quickly. I can hear the noise they make when they're working so it's easy for me to tell when they're not. Not sure if anyone else hears the faint screeching noise as well. Doesnt bother me but its a good indicator of if they're working or not

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On 7/16/2021 at 7:17 AM, Calvo90 said:

one pitch that I hit 2 meters from previous position (punch out with upside-down 6 iron from below the bush that Arccos probably thought was from the same position)

As I recall, this is actually a "feature" in order to avoid false detection - anything detected within ~6' is assumed to be an anomaly and is not counted. When I have that situation I know it will not detect and am prepared to add a shot immediately.

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Anyone have success with their Apple Watch as their shot detection device? I just got my free trial and will play my first round with them tomorrow. 

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7 Wood: Callaway Steelhead

3, 5-7 Irons: Callaway Apex 19

8-AW Irons: Callaway Apex Pro 19

Wedges: Titleist 53 degree, Callaway MD4 58 X Grind 

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On 7/21/2021 at 6:47 AM, DukeStKing said:

Anyone have success with their Apple Watch as their shot detection device? I just got my free trial and will play my first round with them tomorrow. 

My Apple Watch did a good job recording the shots, I just had trouble getting the round to sync up and finish.  If memory serves, you can set it to pulse/let you know that it recorded a shot.  Good luck with it.  I haven’t used it since I got the Link.  Curious if they made improvements.  

 

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1 hour ago, WaffleHouseTour said:

My Apple Watch did a good job recording the shots, I just had trouble getting the round to sync up and finish.  If memory serves, you can set it to pulse/let you know that it recorded a shot.  Good luck with it.  I haven’t used it since I got the Link.  Curious if they made improvements.  

 

I have the Apple Watch 6 and played yesterday and it worked great- maybe beginner’s luck. I really liked the ACCROS- good information- can’t wait to get some more rounds with it to get a larger sample size. It looks like it will be really useful in identifying gaps in my irons. So far, the distance on my 50 degree wedge and the 53 were very similar- might have to get the lofts checked. Like I said, should be interesting once I get a larger sample size. 

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Two rounds into my free trial and my impressions so far: 1. the Apple Watch is great at registering shots and as a GPS watch. 2. The data on club distance will be really valuable once I get a larger sample size. 3. the Caddie suggestions are not always good (again, small sample size) - it suggested too much club and too little. At this point, the sample size is too small. 4. my Garmin G80 does a better job at yardages with elevation changes than ACCROS. 5. the post round analysis is really good- I realized I have a much better short game than I thought. (And my Driver game is as bad as I thought). 😜

 

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7 Wood: Callaway Steelhead

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Wedges: Titleist 53 degree, Callaway MD4 58 X Grind 

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On 6/24/2021 at 1:15 PM, HardcoreLooper said:

It really works on the law of large numbers.  If you have a limited number of shots with a club, it's going to include everything into the sample.  I've solved this for long irons by playing a quick nine and teeing off with them.  I realize that if you're paying greens fees, that's not a great solution.  I wish they'd give you a way to generate data other than just playing.  But once you play enough, their outlier detection works pretty well.

I used to be a huge fan of Arccos, but it's become somewhat problematic for me lately.  

  • Arccos works horribly with my phone (Moto G7)
  • I have a Link, but it's yet another device to leave at home (which I do) or forget to charge (which I do)
  • When I do remember my Link and remember to charge it, it frequently loses contact with my phone
  • If I'm playing with other people, I don't want to mess with my phone

I used to have good luck with Arccos using both a really cheap Android phone (Samsung J7) and an old iPhone.  So I'm pretty sure that the problem is my phone and not Arccos itself.  I'll dig out the old iPhone and see if it works better, but then that's another device I need to remember to bring with me.

Is anyone using Arccos with a recent Android phone and having good results (I need a new phone and I'm not an iPhone fan)?  Even if a new phone works better with Link, I'd like to have my phone as a fallback for the times I forget to bring/charge my Link.  I'm willing to buy a phone based on its success with Arccos as long as it's not ridiculously expensive.

 

 

My wife uses Link (and iPhone) but she still has to do a fair amount of editing even with a new phone. Based on the ARRCOS misses I decided to go with shotscope. Cheaper in the long run not counting having to buy Link, or a new phone or apple watch. 

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3 rounds in and I’m all over the place. I guess I need a lot more data… 

 

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7 Wood: Callaway Steelhead

3, 5-7 Irons: Callaway Apex 19

8-AW Irons: Callaway Apex Pro 19

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My Arccos freaked out this week. On Thursday, it started by not tracking a single shot for the first two holes. On the 3rd tee I rebooted my phone, restarted the app, resumed round, and everything was fine. On Friday, almost everything tracked fine but exactly zero of my 58* wedges were detected. Given that I've had these for almost 2 years, am I approaching the useful life of the sensors or is my phone or the app freaking out? Any ideas?

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I have been moving the Link around to see where it is picking up the sensors the best. I had it clipped on the outside of my left pocket for a while then yesterday I clipped it to the front of my shirt where the buttons are and am still missing about 20 strokes. I was thinking about hooking it to the shoe laces of my shoes. I'm getting tired of editing after. I can deal with chips and putts, but missing a well struck iron is an issue. I've only been using it a month so I can't believe the sensors are the issue.

 

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