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On 12/21/2021 at 3:03 PM, vic-js said:

Maltby released a sneak peek of their TS3 and TS4 ... 

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Wow, those do look great!  Perfect timing with my first DIY project.  I was thinking more like a second bag made from used (2-3 old product cycle) heads but... hold the presses. The TS3 sound like they would best fit me but those TS4's 😍.  Maybe a combo set? 🤔

Anyone know the construction of both? Is the TS4 a hollow/magic goo filled cavity or a true MB?  I can't quite make it out from these views, but it appears "Forged" adorns both hosels.

PS... subsequently found this tidbit... very intriguing. 

TS4 Manufacture and cost estimate | (ralphmaltby.com)

PSS... and this

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So I'm back looking for a set of TS-1's again. Referencing one of my favorite 80's hair bands.. "you don't know what you've got til it's gone".. I really miss these clubs! .. and letting you into the brain of a slightly off-kilter serial buyer and hobby tinkerer/builder, my journey back to these clubs went something like this..

I started with the TS-1's and loved everything about them. Played them for a couple of seasons and then started to get the itch to venture into the no-nonsense blade category. I picked up a second set of cheap Mizuno T-Zoid pro's just to see if I could hang. I ended up playing them quite well so then my curiosity grew. In that process I also found an out of production shaft that I absolutely fell in love with that we're in the mizunos. (Royal Precision FCM Rifle flighted 6.5).. IMO a holy grail and unicorn love child of a shaft and recommend anyone playing iron shafts to give them a serious look) the only downside to these clubs is that they were standard length and I play + .5". So in my love affair with Offer Up, I found a guy selling a really nice set of Callaway RAZR X MB's with the exact Royal Precision shafts at +1" over standard. Well I set the line, offered a trade for my Maltbys and the seller took the bait and accepted. I chopped them down by half an inch, threw on my favorite grips, and I've been playing these Cally blades for quite a few months. I LOVE them! They look sexy, feel superb, have the shafts that I want, and handle like a Porsche.. the catch-22 is that last part. They very much are a true sports car of golf clubs. Sure they're a hell of a lot of fun.. but after a while they can beat you up pretty good too. Well in light of the MGS Cobra Forged Tec giveaway, I was starting to remember how much I missed my more forgiving TS-1's as they could potentially fall under the same category of "player's distance" clubs. After a lot of breath holding and finding out that I was not the new owner of a nice new set of Cobras, I decided to go off and look for some more TS-1's (used). Wouldn't you know it, there's a guy just down the road selling a barely used set for a song and a dance (benefits and disadvantages of used Maltby). I'll be able to pull the shafts, install my Royal Precisions, and then sell both the Callaway heads and pulled shafts for just enough $ to fund the purchase of the TS-1's AND I'll have my unicorn holy grail shaft in my beloved Maltbys. 

I'm hoping to have them put together this week and back in the bag. 

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If anyone was curious about how the profile of the TS-1 stacks up against a "true blade".. this is how it looks up against my Callaway RAZR X MB. Nothing in it really. Maybe a slightly wider sole and a fraction longer blade. 

Should have these glued up tonight and ready for the course by the weekend 

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I agree about those FCM Rifles being special. I remember trying a set of TMs back in the day that had them and loved that shaft but it certainly wasn't a 6.5 (maybe 5.5 or 6.0). Regarding TS1s, they are my current target club and really have been for at least the last 12 months. I've just been too lazy and cheap (kind of a rich statement considering they're Maltbys!) to start the fitting process. My problem is that I don't want to play the shaft guessing game. I've playing  Callaway Uniflex, PX Flighted Rifles (5.5), S300s, and Ping AWTs in the past. I'm currently playing some unlabeled stepless Apollo shaft in my MMB-17s. I also have built a few test irons using the TT Score shafts. I like the launch of my current Apollos but they are too light. The S300s are a little too heavy. The PX Rifles were okay but they felt too much like a board, even with only the 5.5 flex. The Ping AWTs in my i15s and my current Apollos are also a little too light. I actually really liked the feel of the TT Scores but they launch too high. 

I suspect my best iron shaft will be KBS Tours as I've tested well with those on the launch monitor and I like the feel. I'm thinking I'll probably have to play the shaft roulette game a little and get a test club(s) from Golfworks before committing. I bought a TS2 club from eBay a while back with a TT Score shaft and it was okay but I though the head was a little chunky and again, that shaft is apparently designed to send balls to the moon. Funny enough, the eBay seller told me he bought the club to for testing too and had similar thoughts on it. He said he went with the TS1s and loves them. 

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6 hours ago, Kansas King said:

@azstu324

I agree about those FCM Rifles being special. I remember trying a set of TMs back in the day that had them and loved that shaft but it certainly wasn't a 6.5 (maybe 5.5 or 6.0). Regarding TS1s, they are my current target club and really have been for at least the last 12 months. I've just been too lazy and cheap (kind of a rich statement considering they're Maltbys!) to start the fitting process. My problem is that I don't want to play the shaft guessing game. I've playing  Callaway Uniflex, PX Flighted Rifles (5.5), S300s, and Ping AWTs in the past. I'm currently playing some unlabeled stepless Apollo shaft in my MMB-17s. I also have built a few test irons using the TT Score shafts. I like the launch of my current Apollos but they are too light. The S300s are a little too heavy. The PX Rifles were okay but they felt too much like a board, even with only the 5.5 flex. The Ping AWTs in my i15s and my current Apollos are also a little too light. I actually really liked the feel of the TT Scores but they launch too high. 

I suspect my best iron shaft will be KBS Tours as I've tested well with those on the launch monitor and I like the feel. I'm thinking I'll probably have to play the shaft roulette game a little and get a test club(s) from Golfworks before committing. I bought a TS2 club from eBay a while back with a TT Score shaft and it was okay but I though the head was a little chunky and again, that shaft is apparently designed to send balls to the moon. Funny enough, the eBay seller told me he bought the club to for testing too and had similar thoughts on it. He said he went with the TS1s and loves them. 

The shafts that I built my initial set with were the TT DG105 S300's. Those were really good. Didn't launch too high  but I could send some to the moon or flight low when needed.  I did realize through this whole process and finding the Royal Precisions that my ideal weight is the 110-115g range. 

FYI, in researching Royal Precision, their frequency scale was a full flex lighter than PX.. but lighter and much smoother. 6.5 is a true S flex. Not like PX where 6.0 is their intended stiff but still plays like XXS. 

Maybe these photos will provide you with some inspiration 😬

Got the clubs yesterday. Pulled the graphite shafts in them. Cleaned everything and glued them up tonight. Took some acetone and a scotch Brite to the Red part on the M for a cleaner black and chrome look. 

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12 hours ago, azstu324 said:

The shafts that I built my initial set with were the TT DG105 S300's. Those were really good. Didn't launch too high  but I could send some to the moon or flight low when needed.  I did realize through this whole process and finding the Royal Precisions that my ideal weight is the 110-115g range. 

FYI, in researching Royal Precision, their frequency scale was a full flex lighter than PX.. but lighter and much smoother. 6.5 is a true S flex. Not like PX where 6.0 is their intended stiff but still plays like XXS. 

Maybe these photos will provide you with some inspiration 😬

Got the clubs yesterday. Pulled the graphite shafts in them. Cleaned everything and glued them up tonight. Took some acetone and a scotch Brite to the Red part on the M for a cleaner black and chrome look. 

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Those look good! What kind of grips are those?

I was looking at Golfworks and a set from the Custom Shop is $700 - $800 with Star Sidewinder grips. I haven't looked at shafts in a while and can say that prices have gone up significantly. I could cheap out and buy a set of pulls of eBay but that's always dicey and the pulls aren't as cheap as I feel they should be. There are a couple other shafts I would like to try, namely the Nippon 1150GH, Tour Modus 105, and some of the other Project X shafts that have a little more give. I suppose I should just buck up and swing by my local fitter and pay the $100 bucks and get fitted for something like a Titleist T100 that would match up relatively well with the TS1. 

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23 minutes ago, Kansas King said:

Those look good! What kind of grips are those?

I was looking at Golfworks and a set from the Custom Shop is $700 - $800 with Star Sidewinder grips. I haven't looked at shafts in a while and can say that prices have gone up significantly. I could cheap out and buy a set of pulls of eBay but that's always dicey and the pulls aren't as cheap as I feel they should be. There are a couple other shafts I would like to try, namely the Nippon 1150GH, Tour Modus 105, and some of the other Project X shafts that have a little more give. I suppose I should just buck up and swing by my local fitter and pay the $100 bucks and get fitted for something like a Titleist T100 that would match up relatively well with the TS1. 

Before I built my own clubs I was looking at eBay and Golfworks for shafts and golfworks won on prices with the 1150.

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1 minute ago, tommc23 said:

Before I built my own clubs I was looking at eBay and Golfworks for shafts and golfworks won on prices with the 1150.

As far as new golf shafts go, Golfworks is the place I would go. It seems pretty rare for there to ever be specials on mainline steel irons shafts anyway. The prices for shaft pulls on eBay is what kind of caught me off guard. They were asking around $150 for a set of 7 or 8 KBS Tours and I though that was pretty steep, however. New KBS Tours are now $40, so I guess a set of pulls is roughly half price. The problem I have will the used pulls costing so much for a set on eBay is that they could easily be 10 years old and not know it. I'm also not fond of the idea of paying $20/shaft for used KBS Tours when I can get new Nippon 1150GH shafts for $24.50 each. 

Overall, I think the used club component used market is in a weird space. I suspect prices will come down significantly over the next year. I should really just stop Bi****n about used club prices because at the end of the day, I'm wasting a lot of time over $100 - $200. It's just frustrating because I know how much of this crap is just sitting around collecting dust. 

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5 hours ago, Kansas King said:

Those look good! What kind of grips are those?

I was looking at Golfworks and a set from the Custom Shop is $700 - $800 with Star Sidewinder grips. I haven't looked at shafts in a while and can say that prices have gone up significantly. I could cheap out and buy a set of pulls of eBay but that's always dicey and the pulls aren't as cheap as I feel they should be. There are a couple other shafts I would like to try, namely the Nippon 1150GH, Tour Modus 105, and some of the other Project X shafts that have a little more give. I suppose I should just buck up and swing by my local fitter and pay the $100 bucks and get fitted for something like a Titleist T100 that would match up relatively well with the TS1. 

The grips are PURES. I actually prefer Star grips.. Side story.. Star grips started before Pure here in Arizona. According to the owner of Star who I got to chat with a few years back, a couple of guys working at Star left with what they thought was the formula and started PURE. We'll apparently they didn't get the full formula but close enough to start the company. IMO Stars are slightly softer and don't have ANY notable odor. PUREs have a slight rubbery smell that comes off on your hands. 

I ended up with PUREs because I found a guy selling them at a steal (literally they might have been stolen 🤫) at $25 for 14. 

As for the used shafts, I'm sure there are different schools of thought but I was once told that steel shafts don't really lose their frequency or profile factors.. unless they're damaged. So you just have to be careful to look for damage.

 I have had a lot of success with local Offer Up. You can find a few reliable sellers who might work for a club shop, own a fitting business, etc. At least here in AZ it's worked out well. I've got a couple guys that I reach out to that are constantly selling shaft pulls for $85-$100. 

I did exactly what you mentioned. I was able to have complete access to all of the fitting stuff at PGATSS and just paired up a TM P770 head with various shafts. In hindsight, I probably should have picked a different brand and model because IMO the TS-1 is a better performing head but it was enough for what I needed. 

I'll say this, I was able to find this full set 5-GW for $225 and it's great condition (I probably got lucky). But I'll turn around and sell the shafts that were in it for $75. I count that towards my build cost. So I'll be all in $150 for the heads when the shafts sell. Compared to spending $350 for 7 new heads from GW. So if you can find a used set, you might be able to throw the savings towards some nice shafts. 

I find myself playing the golf component shell game all the time so that I can justify getting other stuff😜

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19 hours ago, azstu324 said:

The grips are PURES. I actually prefer Star grips.. Side story.. Star grips started before Pure here in Arizona. According to the owner of Star who I got to chat with a few years back, a couple of guys working at Star left with what they thought was the formula and started PURE. We'll apparently they didn't get the full formula but close enough to start the company. IMO Stars are slightly softer and don't have ANY notable odor. PUREs have a slight rubbery smell that comes off on your hands. 

I ended up with PUREs because I found a guy selling them at a steal (literally they might have been stolen 🤫) at $25 for 14. 

As for the used shafts, I'm sure there are different schools of thought but I was once told that steel shafts don't really lose their frequency or profile factors.. unless they're damaged. So you just have to be careful to look for damage.

 I have had a lot of success with local Offer Up. You can find a few reliable sellers who might work for a club shop, own a fitting business, etc. At least here in AZ it's worked out well. I've got a couple guys that I reach out to that are constantly selling shaft pulls for $85-$100. 

I did exactly what you mentioned. I was able to have complete access to all of the fitting stuff at PGATSS and just paired up a TM P770 head with various shafts. In hindsight, I probably should have picked a different brand and model because IMO the TS-1 is a better performing head but it was enough for what I needed. 

I'll say this, I was able to find this full set 5-GW for $225 and it's great condition (I probably got lucky). But I'll turn around and sell the shafts that were in it for $75. I count that towards my build cost. So I'll be all in $150 for the heads when the shafts sell. Compared to spending $350 for 7 new heads from GW. So if you can find a used set, you might be able to throw the savings towards some nice shafts. 

I find myself playing the golf component shell game all the time so that I can justify getting other stuff😜

I've read the story on Star grips and I think they are worth a shot. Plus, even at $8/grip new, the price is decent. Regarding used shafts, I'm confident that any steel shaft of any age would hold up well assuming there isn't damage. Unfortunately, the plains states don't have a strong local used market like Arizona or Florida does. 

Regarding fitting, I'm thinking to do it right, I'll just ask and pay the fitter to install their hosel adaptor on a Maltby TS1 head. This would ensure there are not any question marks about what I'm getting fit for. The biggest issue when fitting for Maltbys is that COG is usually so much further away from the shaft/hosel (C dimension) that they tend to behave a little differently. I noticed that with my MMB 17s. I feel like it's kind of hard to describe but CG measurements matter a lot when it comes to club fitting. I've done some tests with various irons (using same shaft, length, similar loft, etc.) that have different COGs and the all flight differences are more pronounced than Ralph would lead you to believe in his literature. That's why I would be a little nervous to use any normal OEMs for a fitting since none of them have a C dimension like Maltby TS1s do. 

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