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Flight?  Driver, fairway, hybrid, iron, wedges.....

Spin?  Driver, fairway, hybrid, iron, wedges....

Launch?  Driver, fairway, hybrid, iron, wedges.....

Ball speed? Driver, fairway, hybrid, iron, wedges....

Soft vs hard.......

Typical performance standards for premium golf balls.....guess most would like to know how if comparing balls, how the premium compare to one another, especially against the number one balls (Prov1 and Prov1x).......

   

 

Driver - TSi3 10.75* - Fujikura Speeder 661 TR

Fairway - TSi2 14.25* - Fujikura Motore Speeder VC 6.1 

Fairway - TSR1 17.0* - Fujikura Vista Pro 65S

Hybrid - TSR1 20.0* - Fujikura Atmos Red Tour 75  

Hybrid - TSR1 23.0* - Fujikura Atmos Red Tour 75

Irons - T350 (2023) - 6-48W - True Temper AMT Red 95g-107g

Wedges - Vokey SM9 - 52.08F, 56.10S - True Temper AMT Red 94 

**  GolfPride MCC +4 Midsize Grips  (all woods/irons/wedges)

Putter - 2023 Scotty Cameron Super Select Squareback 2 35" 

**  Superstroke 1.0 Pistol Grip  

Golf Ball - TITLEIST - Prov1s (2023)                                                         

Golf Bags - TITLEIST  - Cart 14 (black), Mid Size Tour (black/white)

Golf Glove - FootJoy (StaSof), Shoes, Apparel and Outerwear        

Rangefinder - Bushnell Pro XE

 

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Would love to know how the results from the survey you sent out a few weeks ago has informed the the testing.  Is there anything you will do differently based on MGS reader input?

Woods/Hybrid: :ping-small: 10.5* K15 SF Tec, 16* K15 SF Tec, 20* i15

5i-PW: :taylormade-small: RocketBladez SF

Wedges: :cleveland-small: 50*,54* RTX ZipCore :vokey-small: 60* SM4 :callaway-small: 64* Mack Daddy 2

Putter: :1332069271_TommyArmour:  Impact No. 3 CB

Ball: :Snell: MTB-X or :srixon-small: Z-Star

Bags: :ping-small:  Pioneer (cart), Hopper (stand)

Push Cart: :CaddyTek: CaddyLite One Swivel V8

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definitely interested to see best balls for different swing speed groups too...(hate soft golf balls and always avoid them whenever I can know the compression )

Driver:   Cobra Fly Z- Diamana Kai'li 60 S or Cobra SZ - Xcaliber 6S depends on the day
Fairway:  Ping G15 4 wood- Aldila Serrano 75S
Hybrids:   Cobra TWS 3 and 4 XCaliber FW S75 Shafts 
Irons:    Maltby TS2 5-PW- DG105 S
Wedges:  Maltby 50, 56, 60
Putter:  Hogan Bettinardi BHB 12

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So excited for this test. There has been many new releases this year and can't wait to see how they all stack up to the industry leader... We all know who I am talking about.

In my bag:

Driver: :callaway-logo-1: Rogue ST Triple Diamond LS 10.5* (set to 9.5) UST Lin-Q Gunmetal 6f5

Wood: :titleist-small: Tsi2 15* Project X RDX Black 70 6.5

Hybrids: :cobra-small: King Utility 19.5* Diamana Tensei White Pro 90TX

Irons: :cobra-small: Cobra King Tour MIM 4-PW Dynamic Gold 120 X100

Wedges: :taylormade-small: Milled Grind 3 50*, 54*, 58* Tour Issue S400

Putter: :seemore-small: Nashville Z1C 34"

 Ball: :titleist-small:  Pro V1x

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I'm really hoping for individual ball results. Two years ago, they saw some balls flying offline. So they started #FindItCutIt. Then Ball Lab. I think it should be brought back full circle and when a ball flies offline, you cut it and see what the issues were. I wouldn't want to extrapolate toooo far, but it wouldn't be unreasonable to have a ball that's flagged as "bad" for layer concentricity, for example, now have metrics as to how that "bad" label would affect performance. The next evolution of that would the be 1) float test 2) hit with robot with various orientations of the float test results 3) send to Ball Lab to note performance based on each orientation of the CoG and make overall claim on performance deviation based on cut ball results

Bonus points if Tony isn't allowed to see/know how offline a ball was when he took it back to Ball Lab. Double bonus points if the company logo is covered, though at this point, I'm confident Tony recognizes a ball by its layers (and not just the Taylormades...)

Driver: :srixon-small: ZX5 LS MkII 9.5* (@ 9.0*) with 46.5" Ventus Blue 6X
3-wood: :taylormade-small: SIM 15* with Diamana Limited 75S
5-wood: :cobra-small: RADspeed 18.5* with Motore X F3 60S
2i: :srixon-small: ZX with SteelFiber i95 Stiff

4hy: :titleist-small: TS3 23* with Tensei AV Blue 70 S
4i-7i :srixon-small: ZX7, 8i-PW Z-Forged, Modus3 Tour 120 S
50*, 55* :cleveland-small: RTX 6 Modus3 Tour 125
60* :cleveland-small: RTX Full Face ZipCore DG Spinner S400
Putter: :callaway-small: Toulon Chicago with a :garsen: Quad Tour

Ball: ProV1x Left Dash, Chromesoft X LS
Bag: :srixon-small: Ltd Edition Tartan, blue/green/yellow

Using :ShotScope: to keep track of my shots

Tested:
:wilson_staff_small: D7 Forged 3i-PW, KBS Tour-V 110S - Official Review
:titelist-small: Blind Ball Test (Ball #3 vs Ball #4) - Unofficial Review
:ShotScope:
 V3 GPS Watch + Tags - Official Review
:OnCore:
 Vero X2 - Official Review

The Stack System - Official Review

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Which ball performs best with a massive hangover 😂

 

 

:callaway-small: XR Driver Matrix Ozik 8m3 Black Tie Shaft

:cobra-small: King F7 3W UST Mamiya Chrome Elements 7F4 Shaft

:cobra-small: King F7 5W UST Mamiya Chrome Elements 7F4 Shaft

:cobra-small: King F7 4 Hybrid Graphite Designs Tour AD-HY 95 Shaft

PXG 0211 DC 5-PW Mitsubishi MMT 80 Shafts

:cleveland-small: RTX ZIPCORE 50*,54*,58* UST Mamiya Recoil 95 Shafts

:odyssey-small: Metal X Milled #7 with SuperStroke 2.0 grip

:Snell: MTB

 

 



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3 hours ago, Tsecor said:

hopefully a robot is being used for consistency purposes......

 

 

yes,  it will be like the last ball test;  they will be using a robot.

Driver:  :ping-small: G400 Max 9* w/ KBS Tour Driven
Fairway: :titelist-small: TS3 15*  w/Project X Hzardous Smoke
Hybrids:  :titelist-small: 915H 21* w/KBS Tour Graphite Hybrid Prototype
                :titelist-small: 915H  24*  w/KBS Tour Graphite Hybrid Prototype        
Irons:      :honma:TR20V 6-11 w/Vizard TR20-85 Graphite
Wedge:  :titleist-small: 54/12D, 60/8M w/:Accra iWedge 90 Graphite
Putter:   :taylormade-small:TM-180

Testing:   SPGC_logo.jpg

Backups:  :odyssey-small: Milled Collection RSX 2, :seemore-small: mFGP2, :cameron-small: Futura 5W

Member:  MGS Hitsquad since 2017697979773_DSCN2368(Custom).JPG.a1a25f5e430d9eebae93c5d652cbd4b9.JPG

 

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Ball dispersion, distance, and spin numbers through various price levels.

Longest overall ball for scramble drives.

TaylorMade M6 10.5 (Sleeve @ 9.0) - PX HZRDUS Evenflow Black 75 (6.5) (Tipped 1in)

TaylorMade Stealth Plus Rescue 2-17 - PX HZRDUS Smoke Black RDX HY (6.5) (Tipped addl. .5in + .25in short)

TaylorMade Sim2 Rescue 4-22 (Sleeve @ 20.5) - PX HZRDUS Smoke Black RDX HY (6.5) (Tipped addl. .5in + .25in short)

2021 Callaway Apex Pro (4-PW) - DG X100

Sub70 286 Forged 50*-10 / 54*-12 (Black) - DG S400

Sub70 JB Forged 58*-06 (Black) - DG X100

Wilson Buckingham Infinite Putter - SuperStroke Traxion Claw (Cut to 33.5in)

Primary Ball: Rotation (Snell MTB-X, 2019 Left Dash, 2021 Pro-V1)

Wilson Staff Tour Bag

BagBoy Nitron Push Cart

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If you want to watch the excitement, they are live on YouTube:


 

Driver:  :ping-small: G400 Max 9* w/ KBS Tour Driven
Fairway: :titelist-small: TS3 15*  w/Project X Hzardous Smoke
Hybrids:  :titelist-small: 915H 21* w/KBS Tour Graphite Hybrid Prototype
                :titelist-small: 915H  24*  w/KBS Tour Graphite Hybrid Prototype        
Irons:      :honma:TR20V 6-11 w/Vizard TR20-85 Graphite
Wedge:  :titleist-small: 54/12D, 60/8M w/:Accra iWedge 90 Graphite
Putter:   :taylormade-small:TM-180

Testing:   SPGC_logo.jpg

Backups:  :odyssey-small: Milled Collection RSX 2, :seemore-small: mFGP2, :cameron-small: Futura 5W

Member:  MGS Hitsquad since 2017697979773_DSCN2368(Custom).JPG.a1a25f5e430d9eebae93c5d652cbd4b9.JPG

 

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1 hour ago, cnosil said:

If you want to watch the excitement, they are live on YouTube:


 

Thanks for throwing this link in!  I was just about to do that!

Interesting watching they've already had a Chrome Soft X go way left.   Also, Tony mentioned something that during the wedge test, they had issues with Trackman not picking up the TM balls unless they turned the logo around.  Curious how that affects other simulators.

Driver: Callaway Rogue ST Max
3 Wood: Taylormade SIM
3 Utility Iron: Srixon U85
4i – 5i: Taylormade P790
6i – AW: Taylormade P770
SW: Taylormade MG3 TW Grind
LW: Taylormade Hi-Toe 3 Low Bounce
Putter: PXG Battle Ready One & Done

 

 

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1 hour ago, goaliewales14 said:

Thanks for throwing this link in!  I was just about to do that!

Interesting watching they've already had a Chrome Soft X go way left.   Also, Tony mentioned something that during the wedge test, they had issues with Trackman not picking up the TM balls unless they turned the logo around.  Curious how that affects other simulators.

I’ve had the live stream on in the background all morning. This test is arguably the most intriguing thing going on the golf space so it’s crazy to me that the viewership is not higher. It would be interesting to know how many industry folks are tuned in.

As you alluded, staff commentary on flight characteristic outliers has been illuminating. Seem to be some pretty wonky results with Callaway and OnCore so far.

It easy to see why a test of this sort is so rare. Look at the resources being devoted - travel, dedicated hitting bay, launch monitors, a robot, a robot operator and (4) MGS staff putting in serious sweat equity. I think it’s fascinating. Considering the substantial resources invested in this round of testing and watching them sending someone out to check the wind when a ball is seriously off line, it seems like throwing a real time wind gauge out there would have been worthwhile.

It’s definitely tight quarters in the bay, I really hope that robot doesn’t tag anyone because I’ve seen several close calls already.

:cobra-small:______S9-1 Pro D - Matrix Ozik XCON 6 S
:cobra-small:______S9-1 Pro 15* - Matrix Ozik XCON 7 S
:nickent-small:________3DX 17* - Matrix Ozik Altus Hybrid SG
:Hogan:______ICON Black 4-PW - KBS Tour V S
:cleveland-small:__________588 RTG 49  RTX 52.10  56.12 - DG S400
BobbyGrace.png.1dc40002fcec0eee8603b71b3e706e89.png______Amazing Grace NYC Tour CS
:taylormade-small:_______'19 TP5X
(the preceding have all been gamer approved)

"The most important shot in golf is the next one“ - Ben Hogan

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18 minutes ago, goaliewales14 said:

Thanks for throwing this link in!  I was just about to do that!

Interesting watching they've already had a Chrome Soft X go way left.   Also, Tony mentioned something that during the wedge test, they had issues with Trackman not picking up the TM balls unless they turned the logo around.  Curious how that affects other simulators.

Heard them mention that the Kirkland spun a lot on low speed driver.  

Driver:  :ping-small: G400 Max 9* w/ KBS Tour Driven
Fairway: :titelist-small: TS3 15*  w/Project X Hzardous Smoke
Hybrids:  :titelist-small: 915H 21* w/KBS Tour Graphite Hybrid Prototype
                :titelist-small: 915H  24*  w/KBS Tour Graphite Hybrid Prototype        
Irons:      :honma:TR20V 6-11 w/Vizard TR20-85 Graphite
Wedge:  :titleist-small: 54/12D, 60/8M w/:Accra iWedge 90 Graphite
Putter:   :taylormade-small:TM-180

Testing:   SPGC_logo.jpg

Backups:  :odyssey-small: Milled Collection RSX 2, :seemore-small: mFGP2, :cameron-small: Futura 5W

Member:  MGS Hitsquad since 2017697979773_DSCN2368(Custom).JPG.a1a25f5e430d9eebae93c5d652cbd4b9.JPG

 

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10 minutes ago, cnosil said:

Heard them mention that the Kirkland spun a lot on low speed driver.  

Yep - I believe Tony said the Kirkland has by far been the “spinniest” at low speed driver. Possibly a good thing for certain delivery tendencies and awful for others. I’m so very appreciative that MGS is doing this test. It is exactly why they get my monthly donations.

:cobra-small:______S9-1 Pro D - Matrix Ozik XCON 6 S
:cobra-small:______S9-1 Pro 15* - Matrix Ozik XCON 7 S
:nickent-small:________3DX 17* - Matrix Ozik Altus Hybrid SG
:Hogan:______ICON Black 4-PW - KBS Tour V S
:cleveland-small:__________588 RTG 49  RTX 52.10  56.12 - DG S400
BobbyGrace.png.1dc40002fcec0eee8603b71b3e706e89.png______Amazing Grace NYC Tour CS
:taylormade-small:_______'19 TP5X
(the preceding have all been gamer approved)

"The most important shot in golf is the next one“ - Ben Hogan

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im very confused....this is the most boring streams ever....but also the best!!! very intriging but also very boring to watch, 

I really think we should have live commentary every 10-20 shots. That would make this awesome.....take live questions on youtube as well

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Golf is cool

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4 hours ago, Tsecor said:

im very confused....this is the most boring streams ever....but also the best!!! very intriging but also very boring to watch, 

I really think we should have live commentary every 10-20 shots. That would make this awesome.....take live questions on youtube as well

They are answering questions on Youtube.  There is a chat portion;  Bennett and Matt typically relay the questions.   They also had a Q&A session on Instagram answering some of the common questions. 

Driver:  :ping-small: G400 Max 9* w/ KBS Tour Driven
Fairway: :titelist-small: TS3 15*  w/Project X Hzardous Smoke
Hybrids:  :titelist-small: 915H 21* w/KBS Tour Graphite Hybrid Prototype
                :titelist-small: 915H  24*  w/KBS Tour Graphite Hybrid Prototype        
Irons:      :honma:TR20V 6-11 w/Vizard TR20-85 Graphite
Wedge:  :titleist-small: 54/12D, 60/8M w/:Accra iWedge 90 Graphite
Putter:   :taylormade-small:TM-180

Testing:   SPGC_logo.jpg

Backups:  :odyssey-small: Milled Collection RSX 2, :seemore-small: mFGP2, :cameron-small: Futura 5W

Member:  MGS Hitsquad since 2017697979773_DSCN2368(Custom).JPG.a1a25f5e430d9eebae93c5d652cbd4b9.JPG

 

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I like the fact they are trying “Refurbished” Pro Vs. I know they are garbage, but I would like to see how bad they really are. 

i just bought the new Pro Vs and will compare them to some prior version new Pro Vs and my regular gamer the Srixon Z-Star. Will be interested to see if I can tell the difference and whether it impacts my scores. 

I should note that I love the Srixon Z-Star. It’s a great ball.
 

 

:titelist-small:  TSR 3   9.0  GD Tour AD - DI 6S Stiff

:titelist-small:  TSi 3  15.0 GD Tour AD - DI 6S Stiff

:titelist-small: TS3  21 Hybrid Tensei AV Blue 65 HY Stiff

:titelist-small: U-510 19 Utility Iron HZDUS Smoke Black 6.0 Stiff

:Takomo:  5-PW 101T Irons - KBS Tour Lite Stiff - Official Tester 2023

:vokey-small: Vokey SM9 52 F - 12 Nippon NS Pro 950 Stiff

:vokey-small: Vokey Forged 56 M - 10  DG S200

:taylormade-small: MG3 60 - 12 NS Modus3 Tour 105 Stiff

image.gif.2bc8a27613a423a3721fd3b955802132.gif  Scotty Special Select - Squareback 2 - 35”  / Super Stroke Slim 3.0

 :srixon-small: Z-Star Diamond

 :titelist-small: Players 4 bag  image.png.939559f85230fe16347ecf2765438915.png

 :Arccos: Official Tester - 2021 & Loyal MCC Plus 4 Sensor User

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13 hours ago, cnosil said:

They are answering questions on Youtube.  There is a chat portion;  Bennett and Matt typically relay the questions.   They also had a Q&A session on Instagram answering some of the common questions. 

shoot!!  I missed that. Thanks for the info

Golf is cool

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20 minutes ago, Tsecor said:

shoot!!  I missed that. Thanks for the info

It is on their Instagram page so you can watch the recording 

14 minutes ago, Tsecor said:

when can we watch today? 

I assume they will start the stream up again today.  It ran all day yesterday.  Probably sorting balls this morning getting ready for high speed driver testing.  

Driver:  :ping-small: G400 Max 9* w/ KBS Tour Driven
Fairway: :titelist-small: TS3 15*  w/Project X Hzardous Smoke
Hybrids:  :titelist-small: 915H 21* w/KBS Tour Graphite Hybrid Prototype
                :titelist-small: 915H  24*  w/KBS Tour Graphite Hybrid Prototype        
Irons:      :honma:TR20V 6-11 w/Vizard TR20-85 Graphite
Wedge:  :titleist-small: 54/12D, 60/8M w/:Accra iWedge 90 Graphite
Putter:   :taylormade-small:TM-180

Testing:   SPGC_logo.jpg

Backups:  :odyssey-small: Milled Collection RSX 2, :seemore-small: mFGP2, :cameron-small: Futura 5W

Member:  MGS Hitsquad since 2017697979773_DSCN2368(Custom).JPG.a1a25f5e430d9eebae93c5d652cbd4b9.JPG

 

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1 hour ago, Tsecor said:

when can we watch today? 

The posted an update on Instagram.  Storm went through Scottsdale and they lost power.  Working to get everything setup and they will be live and doing updates shortly. 

Driver:  :ping-small: G400 Max 9* w/ KBS Tour Driven
Fairway: :titelist-small: TS3 15*  w/Project X Hzardous Smoke
Hybrids:  :titelist-small: 915H 21* w/KBS Tour Graphite Hybrid Prototype
                :titelist-small: 915H  24*  w/KBS Tour Graphite Hybrid Prototype        
Irons:      :honma:TR20V 6-11 w/Vizard TR20-85 Graphite
Wedge:  :titleist-small: 54/12D, 60/8M w/:Accra iWedge 90 Graphite
Putter:   :taylormade-small:TM-180

Testing:   SPGC_logo.jpg

Backups:  :odyssey-small: Milled Collection RSX 2, :seemore-small: mFGP2, :cameron-small: Futura 5W

Member:  MGS Hitsquad since 2017697979773_DSCN2368(Custom).JPG.a1a25f5e430d9eebae93c5d652cbd4b9.JPG

 

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12 minutes ago, cnosil said:

The posted an update on Instagram.  Storm went through Scottsdale and they lost power.  Working to get everything setup and they will be live and doing updates shortly. 

jeez.....what luck....i wonder if it was humid yesterday and the balls flew further....

Golf is cool

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