GregGarner Posted June 7, 2022 Share Posted June 7, 2022 40 minutes ago, cnosil said: What aspect of the ball do you want to test, spin really isn't relevant and ball speed differences would be very slight. Since feel is subjective, how do you measure it in a way that means the same thing to everyone? In my opinion, with putting the club is more significant than the ball. seconded. On a launch monitor, there is no discernable difference between different golf balls. To make matters worse, if you put headphones on, the 'feel' aspect is almost completely negated. (something about fluid dynamics, your hole-side ear, and your brain interpreting sound as feel) - and that's before we get into what kind of putter you're using. If you wanted to take, say, a Scotty Cameron GSS Newport 2 and use it (and only it) to roll some putts and capture the sound of the face striking the ball, you could at least get an idea of the differences in the covers of the ball, but as soon as you change putters, that interaction changes. (Makes me think of when the White Hots first came out along with the Rule 35 golf balls and all the marketing hype about how the insert was the exact same material as the ball to give you unparalleled feel, etc etc) JohnSmalls, cnosil and cardia10 3 Quote Driver: ZX5 LS MkII 9.5* (@ 9.0*) with 46.5" Ventus Blue 6X 3-wood: SIM 15* with Diamana Limited 75S 5-wood: RADspeed 18.5* with Motore X F3 60S 2i: ZX with SteelFiber i95 Stiff 4hy: TS3 23* with Tensei AV Blue 70 S 4i-7i ZX7, 8i-PW Z-Forged, Modus3 Tour 120 S 50*, 55* RTX 6 Modus3 Tour 125 60* RTX Full Face ZipCore DG Spinner S400 Putter: Toulon Chicago with a Quad Tour or HB SOFT Milled 10.5S with UST All-in Ball: Chrome Tour (but I might still have some Left Dashes hanging around) Bag: Ltd Edition Tartan, blue/green/yellow Using to keep track of my shots Tested: D7 Forged 3i-PW, KBS Tour-V 110S - Official Review Blind Ball Test (Ball #3 vs Ball #4) - Unofficial Review V3 GPS Watch + Tags - Official Review Vero X2 - Official Review The Stack System - Official Review Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vegan_Golfer_PNW Posted June 22, 2022 Share Posted June 22, 2022 Bridgestone XS not so good 🫣 Tarheelvolvo 1 Quote Follow my journey to enjoying golf and going low Driver: Epic Max LS Ventus Black 6x 44.5" 3wHL: Rogue ST LS 75x Tensei AV Blue w/ xlink 7w: Apex UW 21* MMT 80S DI: Caley 01X 18* with KBS PGH Stiff plus 95g 4-AW: 0211 with KBS Tour Stiff 2.5* up 3/4" long, Soft stepped, MOI matched Wedges Zipcore Putter: L.A.B. Directed Force 2.1 69*/35" in blue Ball: TBD Shot Tracking: Bag: Vessel VLX 2.0 Grip: Lamkin Sonar + Midsize My Reviews: Caley 01X Driving Iron Review 2023 Max Swing Speed Training and Speed Progress: Current Speed 120 in the MGS Speed Challenge (updated 3/15/23) TAIII #2 Review here: TAIII Impact #2 Putter ) Zipcore Tour Rack 54/full and 58/mid (review here) 0211 2019 Unofficial Review Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FightingScot82 Posted October 11, 2022 Share Posted October 11, 2022 On 7/12/2021 at 3:12 PM, downlowkey said: Yep - I believe Tony said the Kirkland has by far been the “spinniest” at low speed driver. Possibly a good thing for certain delivery tendencies and awful for others. I’m so very appreciative that MGS is doing this test. It is exactly why they get my monthly donations. My only question is - they said its for a niche segment of golfers - who would want max driver spin? Quote Driver: Wilson Staff Cortex 9* Atmos Blue 6 3 Wood: Walter Hagen AWX 5 Wood: Walter Hagen AWX 4 Hybrid: TaylorMade Aeroburner Irons 5-AW: TaylorMade Aeroburner HL Sand Wedge: Wilson Harmonized 56* Putter: Wilson Staff Infinite Bucktown 34" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cnosil Posted October 11, 2022 Share Posted October 11, 2022 19 minutes ago, FightingScot82 said: My only question is - they said its for a niche segment of golfers - who would want max driver spin? I do fairly well with the Kirkland. My main problem with driver is too little spin so balls that are a little more spinny off the tee are beneficial to my game. We joke about it at HQ but a few years ago I was kicked out of the driver test because there were drivers I just couldn’t spin enough to get reasonable results. FightingScot82, GregGarner and TR1PTIK 3 Quote Driver: G400 Max 9* w/ KBS Tour Driven Fairway: TS3 15* w/Project X Hzardous Smoke Hybrids: 915H 21* w/KBS Tour Graphite Hybrid Prototype 915H 24* w/KBS Tour Graphite Hybrid Prototype Irons: TR20V 6-11 w/Vizard TR20-85 Graphite Wedge: 54/12D, 60/8M w/:Accra iWedge 90 Graphite Putter: Sacks Parente MC 3 Stripe Backup Putters: Milled Collection RSX 2, mFGP2, Futura 5W, TM-180 Member: MGS Hitsquad since 2017 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chisag Posted October 11, 2022 Share Posted October 11, 2022 18 minutes ago, FightingScot82 said: My only question is - they said its for a niche segment of golfers - who would want max driver spin? ... Anyone with a slower swing speed that needs distance. My 80yr old playing pard hits it far for his age, maybe 200-225 and occasionally a little longer. He needs all the spin he can get to keep the ball in the air longer. He will never spin it enough to create ballooning so the more spin from the golf ball the better. TR1PTIK, cnosil, GolfSpy TCB and 2 others 5 Quote Driver: Qi10 10.5* ... Ventus Red Velocore 5R Fairway: Qi10 5 wood ... Kai'li Blue 60R Hybrids: 430 Hybrid 22*... Diamana LTD 65r DHy #4 ... Steelfiber 780Hy Irons: '23 T200 5-Pw ... Steelfiber i95r Wedges: Vokey 50*/54*/58* ... Steelfiber i95r Putter: Sport-60 33" Ball: Maxfli/ Maxfli Tour/TP5x Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FightingScot82 Posted October 11, 2022 Share Posted October 11, 2022 18 minutes ago, chisag said: ... Anyone with a slower swing speed that needs distance. My 80yr old playing pard hits it far for his age, maybe 200-225 and occasionally a little longer. He needs all the spin he can get to keep the ball in the air longer. He will never spin it enough to create ballooning so the more spin from the golf ball the better. Okay this makes sense. I have a higher swing speed and higher spin. I occasionally will demolish a Kirkland right down the pipe but too often it balloons and any half-decent wind turns it into a 250 yard hook or slice that's 100 yards off the fairway. Just wish there was a more appropriate ball I could buy on demand (in store) for that price. Even with inflation they're $27 and change in PA for 2 dozen. GolfSpy TCB 1 Quote Driver: Wilson Staff Cortex 9* Atmos Blue 6 3 Wood: Walter Hagen AWX 5 Wood: Walter Hagen AWX 4 Hybrid: TaylorMade Aeroburner Irons 5-AW: TaylorMade Aeroburner HL Sand Wedge: Wilson Harmonized 56* Putter: Wilson Staff Infinite Bucktown 34" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chisag Posted October 11, 2022 Share Posted October 11, 2022 1 minute ago, FightingScot82 said: Okay this makes sense. I have a higher swing speed and higher spin. I occasionally will demolish a Kirkland right down the pipe but too often it balloons and any half-decent wind turns it into a 250 yard hook or slice that's 100 yards off the fairway. Just wish there was a more appropriate ball I could buy on demand (in store) for that price. Even with inflation they're $27 and change in PA for 2 dozen. ... Don't we all! But too much spin for me too. That said I am quite happy with the Maxfli Tour at 4 dozen for $104.98 in the cube. GolfSpy TCB, GregGarner, ejgaudette and 3 others 6 Quote Driver: Qi10 10.5* ... Ventus Red Velocore 5R Fairway: Qi10 5 wood ... Kai'li Blue 60R Hybrids: 430 Hybrid 22*... Diamana LTD 65r DHy #4 ... Steelfiber 780Hy Irons: '23 T200 5-Pw ... Steelfiber i95r Wedges: Vokey 50*/54*/58* ... Steelfiber i95r Putter: Sport-60 33" Ball: Maxfli/ Maxfli Tour/TP5x Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ejgaudette Posted October 11, 2022 Share Posted October 11, 2022 Just now, chisag said: ... Don't we all! But too much spin for me too. That said I am quite happy with the Maxfli Tour at 4 dozen for $104.98 in the cube. You type to fast I was saying the same exact thing GolfSpy TCB and chisag 2 Quote Epic Max LS 9° Ventus Blue 6X (2021 Official Review) | Epic Speed 18° Evenflow Riptide 70g 6.0 816 H1 21° Diamana S+ Blue 70 S | SMS 4-5/SMS Pro 6-PW Steelfiber i95 S (2023 Official Review) Glide 4.0 50°.12°S/54°.14°W/58°.6°T PING Z-Z115 Wedge Flex | SOFT 11S Super Stroke Mid-Slim 2.0 Hoofer Bag | Pro V1 | Right Handed | Tracked by V3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
funkyjudge Posted October 11, 2022 Share Posted October 11, 2022 17 minutes ago, chisag said: ... Anyone with a slower swing speed that needs distance. My 80yr old playing pard hits it far for his age, maybe 200-225 and occasionally a little longer. He needs all the spin he can get to keep the ball in the air longer. He will never spin it enough to create ballooning so the more spin from the golf ball the better. Winner, winner, chicken dinner! When I am doing a driver fitting, I look for ideal average driver backspin numbers something like this: 60-70 MPH clubhead speed — 3,500 RPM or greater 70-80 MPH clubhead speed — at least 3,000 RPM 85 MPH clubhead speed — at least 2,750 to 3,000 RPM 90 MPH — 2,500 to 2,700 RPM 95 MPH — 2,350 to 2,500 RPM 100 MPH — 2,150 to 2,300 RPM 110 MPH — 2,000 RPM is fine (1,900 wont hurt, but 2,150 or even 2,200 RPM is usually acceptable at this speed) more than 110-115 MPH — 1,700 - 1800 RPM is usually plenty of backspin for these guys I’ve seen slower-swinging senior and female golfers who benefit from generating as much as 4,000 - 4,400 RPM of backspin with the driver. If the ball spins more and contributes to this, all the better. One slower swinging male golfer that I fit about two months ago was shocked when I asked if I could change balls to a lower-compression, higher-spinning ball during the fitting (he was hitting a ProV1x). With a 70 compression, high spin ball, he got about 10 extra yards of carry, and with a similar 55 compression ball, he got 12 to 14 extra yards. With the softer, higher-spin balls plus a 12* loft on his new driver, he reported to me last week that he’s hitting his driver more than 220 yards for the first time in many years. He’s not that old - only about 60 - but due to physical limitations and injuries that he has suffered over the last few years, his driver clubhead speed had dropped from about 90-95 MPH in his 40s and early 50s to less than 80 MPH (average of 77-78 MPH). FWIW, the ball that he is now using is the Titleist Tour Soft. cnosil, Thin2win, chisag and 3 others 5 1 Quote DR - Callaway Paradym AI Smoke TD, Newton Motion 4-Dot 4W - Callaway Paradym 3HL, Newton Motion Fairway shaft, 4-Dot HYB - Paradym X 18*, HZRDUS Smoke Red 80S; Sub 70 949X 21*, same shaft 7W (if played) - Sub 70 849, ProForce Black 80-S Irons - Callaway Paradym, HZRDUS Silver Gen 4, S-flex Wedges - Edison 2.0, 53* and 57* (bent to 58*), KBS TGI 100 Putter - (currently in flux, but usually an Evnroll 8V Ball - Maxfli Tour-X CG (2023) Bags - Ghost Golf Maverick Black Ops Cart - MotoCaddy M7 Remote (without the remote) Spoiler driver / off the tee is no longer a weakness for me! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thin2win Posted October 11, 2022 Share Posted October 11, 2022 On the Kirkland, I had my wife try them out, she is in the 70mph ss category, and it gave her almost 10y more carry and 12y more total then a ProV1. Which is a noticeable percentage change. So, just to echo the above, it definitely fits some golfers in a great way. Just probably not those with higher swing speeds. chisag, GolfSpy TCB, GregGarner and 2 others 5 Quote WITB: Driver: SIM2 Max 12° - Accra TZ6 M4 FW Wood: Gen5 0311 7w Fujikura Motore X F3 Irons: ZX7 PW-7i, ZX5 6i-5i Wedges: Zipcore 50°, 58° Putter: MySpider X Cart: Onewheel XR+ Ball: Z-Star Diamond/ Z-Star XV 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JohnnyCallaway Posted October 12, 2022 Share Posted October 12, 2022 22 hours ago, funkyjudge said: Winner, winner, chicken dinner! When I am doing a driver fitting, I look for ideal average driver backspin numbers something like this: 60-70 MPH clubhead speed — 3,500 RPM or greater 70-80 MPH clubhead speed — at least 3,000 RPM 85 MPH clubhead speed — at least 2,750 to 3,000 RPM 90 MPH — 2,500 to 2,700 RPM 95 MPH — 2,350 to 2,500 RPM 100 MPH — 2,150 to 2,300 RPM 110 MPH — 2,000 RPM is fine (1,900 wont hurt, but 2,150 or even 2,200 RPM is usually acceptable at this speed) more than 110-115 MPH — 1,700 - 1800 RPM is usually plenty of backspin for these guys I’ve seen slower-swinging senior and female golfers who benefit from generating as much as 4,000 - 4,400 RPM of backspin with the driver. If the ball spins more and contributes to this, all the better. One slower swinging male golfer that I fit about two months ago was shocked when I asked if I could change balls to a lower-compression, higher-spinning ball during the fitting (he was hitting a ProV1x). With a 70 compression, high spin ball, he got about 10 extra yards of carry, and with a similar 55 compression ball, he got 12 to 14 extra yards. With the softer, higher-spin balls plus a 12* loft on his new driver, he reported to me last week that he’s hitting his driver more than 220 yards for the first time in many years. He’s not that old - only about 60 - but due to physical limitations and injuries that he has suffered over the last few years, his driver clubhead speed had dropped from about 90-95 MPH in his 40s and early 50s to less than 80 MPH (average of 77-78 MPH). FWIW, the ball that he is now using is the Titleist Tour Soft. This is actually a really good table for the consumer although me personally would couple 110+ in the same bucket. On TOUR anything under 2000RPMs gets tossed quickly but thats TOUR and the needs live in a different world. Great post here. GregGarner and GolfSpy TCB 2 Quote Gear junky degenerate. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
funkyjudge Posted October 12, 2022 Share Posted October 12, 2022 (edited) JohnnyCallaway - you are (partially) correct, but there are Tour players (e.g. - Bubba Watson, Dustin Johnson, Gary Woodland, and definitely Bryson DeChambeau) who strive for. sub-2,000 RPM backspin numbers with their drivers. Bubba has always targeted “17 plus 17” (17* launch angle + 1,700 RPM) with the driver. This is because he “hits up on the ball” (also known as “positive angle of attack”). As most here know, I worked on both the PGA Tour and Champions Tour, plus at several majors and FedEx Cup events from the late 1990s to as recently as 2019, and I keep in touch with my fellow clubfitting professionals who worked with me in the OEM equipment and shaft equipment trailers on those tours. Some of the tour pros that I worked with include: Woodland, Matt Kuchar, Padraig Harrington, Tony Finau (another guy who prefers sub-2,000 RPM of backspin with his driver), as well as quite a few WLD guys (I won’t even get into what numbers the long drive guys shoot for, as they are generally freaks of nature with clubhead speeds approaching 150 - 155 MPH). In the clubfitting work that I continue to do, I see golfers that range from 60 MPH swinging seniors and ladies to a fair number of area PGA club pros and instructors in addition to plus-handicappers with clubhead speeds in the low-mid 120s. Some of these high clubhead speed guys actually benefit from getting into equipment and using a ball that help them achieve backspin numbers below 2,000 RPM. Others in this range need 2,200 to 2,500 RPM +/- to help them keep the ball in the air longer. It is all a matter of how they deliver the clubhead to the ball (good upward angle of attack = lower spin required; flat or, God-forbid, slightly downward AOA = more backspin needed). Edited October 12, 2022 by funkyjudge GolfSpy TCB 1 Quote DR - Callaway Paradym AI Smoke TD, Newton Motion 4-Dot 4W - Callaway Paradym 3HL, Newton Motion Fairway shaft, 4-Dot HYB - Paradym X 18*, HZRDUS Smoke Red 80S; Sub 70 949X 21*, same shaft 7W (if played) - Sub 70 849, ProForce Black 80-S Irons - Callaway Paradym, HZRDUS Silver Gen 4, S-flex Wedges - Edison 2.0, 53* and 57* (bent to 58*), KBS TGI 100 Putter - (currently in flux, but usually an Evnroll 8V Ball - Maxfli Tour-X CG (2023) Bags - Ghost Golf Maverick Black Ops Cart - MotoCaddy M7 Remote (without the remote) Spoiler driver / off the tee is no longer a weakness for me! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
funkyjudge Posted October 12, 2022 Share Posted October 12, 2022 27 minutes ago, JohnnyCallaway said: This is actually a really good table for the consumer although me personally would couple 110+ in the same bucket. On TOUR anything under 2000RPMs gets tossed quickly but thats TOUR and the needs live in a different world. Great post here. BTW, I should have specified in that impromptu clubhead speed / backspin table that those backspin numbers were based on having a proper slightly-upward angle of attack with the driver. A level AOA may necessitate a few hundred more RPM of backspin, and hitting down on the ball with the driver (a horrible thing) will almost always generate more backspin than a golfer wants or needs, anyway. GolfSpy TCB 1 Quote DR - Callaway Paradym AI Smoke TD, Newton Motion 4-Dot 4W - Callaway Paradym 3HL, Newton Motion Fairway shaft, 4-Dot HYB - Paradym X 18*, HZRDUS Smoke Red 80S; Sub 70 949X 21*, same shaft 7W (if played) - Sub 70 849, ProForce Black 80-S Irons - Callaway Paradym, HZRDUS Silver Gen 4, S-flex Wedges - Edison 2.0, 53* and 57* (bent to 58*), KBS TGI 100 Putter - (currently in flux, but usually an Evnroll 8V Ball - Maxfli Tour-X CG (2023) Bags - Ghost Golf Maverick Black Ops Cart - MotoCaddy M7 Remote (without the remote) Spoiler driver / off the tee is no longer a weakness for me! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
highdraw_osu Posted December 9, 2022 Share Posted December 9, 2022 Not to derail a convo but any discussion on them re-doing the ball test in 2023 or if/how they will change in the future? This was really an awesome data set and led me to the Maxfli Tour which I have really enjoyed. Would love to see them update periodically and include a few more ionomer/surlyn category as well as a "roughed up" range ball not a clean one. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chisag Posted December 9, 2022 Share Posted December 9, 2022 5 minutes ago, highdraw_osu said: Not to derail a convo but any discussion on them re-doing the ball test in 2023 or if/how they will change in the future? This was really an awesome data set and led me to the Maxfli Tour which I have really enjoyed. Would love to see them update periodically and include a few more ionomer/surlyn category as well as a "roughed up" range ball not a clean one. ... I don't know how they do it to be honest. Sitting in front of an Iron Byron, teeing up balls for hours and hours day after day and charting the results is like working on an assembly line for GM. I could easily see taking a year off but the MGS crew seem to do it every year and I know everyone on the forum is extremely grateful for the time and effort. Will_Mac 1 Quote Driver: Qi10 10.5* ... Ventus Red Velocore 5R Fairway: Qi10 5 wood ... Kai'li Blue 60R Hybrids: 430 Hybrid 22*... Diamana LTD 65r DHy #4 ... Steelfiber 780Hy Irons: '23 T200 5-Pw ... Steelfiber i95r Wedges: Vokey 50*/54*/58* ... Steelfiber i95r Putter: Sport-60 33" Ball: Maxfli/ Maxfli Tour/TP5x Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
funkyjudge Posted December 9, 2022 Share Posted December 9, 2022 27 minutes ago, chisag said: ... I don't know how they do it to be honest. Sitting in front of an Iron Byron, teeing up balls for hours and hours day after day and charting the results is like working on an assembly line for GM. I could easily see taking a year off but the MGS crew seem to do it every year and I know everyone on the forum is extremely grateful for the time and effort. Have you ever seen Tony Covey’s and Harry Nodwell’s comments on the process. That may be the final straw that drove Harry to seek “greener pastures” (joking, maybe, but there could be a small thread of truth to it)! chisag 1 Quote DR - Callaway Paradym AI Smoke TD, Newton Motion 4-Dot 4W - Callaway Paradym 3HL, Newton Motion Fairway shaft, 4-Dot HYB - Paradym X 18*, HZRDUS Smoke Red 80S; Sub 70 949X 21*, same shaft 7W (if played) - Sub 70 849, ProForce Black 80-S Irons - Callaway Paradym, HZRDUS Silver Gen 4, S-flex Wedges - Edison 2.0, 53* and 57* (bent to 58*), KBS TGI 100 Putter - (currently in flux, but usually an Evnroll 8V Ball - Maxfli Tour-X CG (2023) Bags - Ghost Golf Maverick Black Ops Cart - MotoCaddy M7 Remote (without the remote) Spoiler driver / off the tee is no longer a weakness for me! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheWiseguy Posted December 25, 2022 Share Posted December 25, 2022 (edited) On 7/8/2021 at 9:46 PM, TBT said: Which ball performs best with a massive hangover It has to be a ball cheap enough to loose and stil performs decent numbers. I've played a new ball Stripe golf modell No.1 recently. Great spinn and still great length! Edited December 25, 2022 by TheWiseguy GregGarner 1 Quote Hcp: 2.5 YoP: 12 Titleist TSR3, AD Tour Graphite 7X FW: Titleist TSR3, AD tour IZ 6 Hy: Titleist TSR3, Fujikura PRO 2.0 Irons: Mizuno Mp20, KBS Tour C-taper shafts Wedge: 50/54/58 Wokey SM8, KBS Tour C-taper shafts Putter: Oddesey stroke lab Wide Ball: Stripe Model No1 - Pro golf balls at amateur prices Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GregGarner Posted December 28, 2022 Share Posted December 28, 2022 On 12/25/2022 at 2:31 AM, TheWiseguy said: It has to be a ball cheap enough to loose and stil performs decent numbers. I've played a new ball Stripe golf modell No.1 recently. Great spinn and still great length! That's how I feel about the Maxfli balls here in the States! I checked out the Stripe ball you mentioned. Is the No. 1 model similar to a ProV1x or a Vice Pro Plus? sirchunksalot 1 Quote Driver: ZX5 LS MkII 9.5* (@ 9.0*) with 46.5" Ventus Blue 6X 3-wood: SIM 15* with Diamana Limited 75S 5-wood: RADspeed 18.5* with Motore X F3 60S 2i: ZX with SteelFiber i95 Stiff 4hy: TS3 23* with Tensei AV Blue 70 S 4i-7i ZX7, 8i-PW Z-Forged, Modus3 Tour 120 S 50*, 55* RTX 6 Modus3 Tour 125 60* RTX Full Face ZipCore DG Spinner S400 Putter: Toulon Chicago with a Quad Tour or HB SOFT Milled 10.5S with UST All-in Ball: Chrome Tour (but I might still have some Left Dashes hanging around) Bag: Ltd Edition Tartan, blue/green/yellow Using to keep track of my shots Tested: D7 Forged 3i-PW, KBS Tour-V 110S - Official Review Blind Ball Test (Ball #3 vs Ball #4) - Unofficial Review V3 GPS Watch + Tags - Official Review Vero X2 - Official Review The Stack System - Official Review Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheWiseguy Posted December 29, 2022 Share Posted December 29, 2022 20 hours ago, GregGarner said: That's how I feel about the Maxfli balls here in the States! I checked out the Stripe ball you mentioned. Is the No. 1 model similar to a ProV1x or a Vice Pro Plus? Not 100% sure about the difference between thoose two but No.1 is a 4-piece construction with a little bit more compression. Same as prov1x. Stripe Will be in the US soon i believe. GregGarner 1 Quote Hcp: 2.5 YoP: 12 Titleist TSR3, AD Tour Graphite 7X FW: Titleist TSR3, AD tour IZ 6 Hy: Titleist TSR3, Fujikura PRO 2.0 Irons: Mizuno Mp20, KBS Tour C-taper shafts Wedge: 50/54/58 Wokey SM8, KBS Tour C-taper shafts Putter: Oddesey stroke lab Wide Ball: Stripe Model No1 - Pro golf balls at amateur prices Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
silver & black Posted December 31, 2022 Share Posted December 31, 2022 Convince me why I should buy $50.00 a dozen balls instead of balls from 'Lost Golf Balls'. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GregGarner Posted December 31, 2022 Share Posted December 31, 2022 23 hours ago, silver & black said: Convince me why I should buy $50.00 a dozen balls instead of balls from 'Lost Golf Balls'. ...you think the Lost Golf Balls are more centered? Refinished and refurbished balls have been shown (repeatedly, consistently) to perform worse than their fresh-from-the-box brethren and it wouldn't take more than about 2 minutes of googling and/or searching the forums for that evidence. That being said, if you don't want to pay $50/doz, there are plenty of options for new golf balls that are likely to be (at least) comparable to (if not better than) what Gabe found in his video. Might take a look at the Maxfli lineup, for instance? Londo, JWO3000, sirchunksalot and 1 other 4 Quote Driver: ZX5 LS MkII 9.5* (@ 9.0*) with 46.5" Ventus Blue 6X 3-wood: SIM 15* with Diamana Limited 75S 5-wood: RADspeed 18.5* with Motore X F3 60S 2i: ZX with SteelFiber i95 Stiff 4hy: TS3 23* with Tensei AV Blue 70 S 4i-7i ZX7, 8i-PW Z-Forged, Modus3 Tour 120 S 50*, 55* RTX 6 Modus3 Tour 125 60* RTX Full Face ZipCore DG Spinner S400 Putter: Toulon Chicago with a Quad Tour or HB SOFT Milled 10.5S with UST All-in Ball: Chrome Tour (but I might still have some Left Dashes hanging around) Bag: Ltd Edition Tartan, blue/green/yellow Using to keep track of my shots Tested: D7 Forged 3i-PW, KBS Tour-V 110S - Official Review Blind Ball Test (Ball #3 vs Ball #4) - Unofficial Review V3 GPS Watch + Tags - Official Review Vero X2 - Official Review The Stack System - Official Review Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
silver & black Posted January 1, 2023 Share Posted January 1, 2023 (edited) 1 hour ago, GregGarner said: ...you think the Lost Golf Balls are more centered? Refinished and refurbished balls have been shown (repeatedly, consistently) to perform worse than their fresh-from-the-box brethren and it wouldn't take more than about 2 minutes of googling and/or searching the forums for that evidence. That being said, if you don't want to pay $50/doz, there are plenty of options for new golf balls that are likely to be (at least) comparable to (if not better than) what Gabe found in his video. Might take a look at the Maxfli lineup, for instance? No. I think spending $15 for a dozen Pro V's is a lot better deal than $50 for brand new balls that might not be centered. I never use refurbished balls... only found balls sold as is. I lose too many balls in a season to justify paying $50 for new balls. Edited January 1, 2023 by silver & black GregGarner 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chisag Posted January 1, 2023 Share Posted January 1, 2023 45 minutes ago, silver & black said: No. I think spending $15 for a dozen Pro V's is a lot better deal than $50 for brand new balls that might not be centered. I never use refurbished balls... only found balls sold as is. I lose too many balls in a season to justify paying $50 for new balls. ... Here its the thing. You don't know if any of the lost balls are lost refurbished balls. That said it is of course your money and you can spend it anyway you like. GregGarner 1 Quote Driver: Qi10 10.5* ... Ventus Red Velocore 5R Fairway: Qi10 5 wood ... Kai'li Blue 60R Hybrids: 430 Hybrid 22*... Diamana LTD 65r DHy #4 ... Steelfiber 780Hy Irons: '23 T200 5-Pw ... Steelfiber i95r Wedges: Vokey 50*/54*/58* ... Steelfiber i95r Putter: Sport-60 33" Ball: Maxfli/ Maxfli Tour/TP5x Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
silver & black Posted January 1, 2023 Share Posted January 1, 2023 7 minutes ago, chisag said: ... Here its the thing. You don't know if any of the lost balls are lost refurbished balls. That said it is of course your money and you can spend it anyway you like. Refurbished balls have 'refurbished' printed on them. At least Pro V's do. I buy the highest quality offered. They are just cleaned and sorted by condition. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PhilM75072 Posted March 19, 2023 Share Posted March 19, 2023 Not everyone needs or plays "tour level" balls. How about a test of all the surlyn cover balls that the masses actually use? Quote In my TaylorMade Supreme Golf Bag: Driver: PXG Gen 6 0311 10.5° with Motore X F3 R Shaft 45" 3W: Callaway 3W Mavrik Max w/ UST Helium Black 4F2 5W: Callaway Epic Flash (+1/N) w/ Project X Evenflow Green R Flex Hybrid: Callaway Big Bertha 4H (+1/N) w/ UST Recoil 760 ES F2 Irons: PXG 0211DC 5-GW w/ MMT 60 A Flex Wedges: Kirkland 52°/56°/60° w/ True Temper Shafts Putter: Seemore Original FGP Mallet / Cobra King Nova / Toulon Portland Ball: Callaway ERC Soft / Snell MTB Black / Sugar Pure / Vice Pro Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Peejer Posted June 6, 2023 Share Posted June 6, 2023 Would like to see how the SaintNine U-Pro balls stack up. They are 2-piece urethane balls. I play the pink or yellow versions in the Colorado winter when the grass goes dormant and the ground is rock hard. Always wanted to see how they compare to other balls. And they are constantly on sale - so let's see the numbers!! Quote Stealth Driver ZX 3W RadSpeed 3-hybrid P790 (2021) irons (4-PW) CBX-2 GW, SW & LW ER7 Putter Q-Star Tour DIVIDE / Tour - Revolver XL 1500Li Cart NX9 HD Pro Rangefinder / S20 GPS Watch + Launch Monitor Denver, Colorado Home Course: Eisenhower Golf Club, USAF Academy Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Peejer Posted June 6, 2023 Share Posted June 6, 2023 On 10/11/2022 at 10:53 AM, cnosil said: I do fairly well with the Kirkland. My main problem with driver is too little spin so balls that are a little more spinny off the tee are beneficial to my game. We joke about it at HQ but a few years ago I was kicked out of the driver test because there were drivers I just couldn’t spin enough to get reasonable results. The spinny Kirkland's are the V2 model (came in a silver box). The launch monitor numbers for the V3 version (in black box) show the spin is down significantly and it's a longer ball than it's predecessor. Can't wait to see the official MyGolfSpy numbers on it!! Quote Stealth Driver ZX 3W RadSpeed 3-hybrid P790 (2021) irons (4-PW) CBX-2 GW, SW & LW ER7 Putter Q-Star Tour DIVIDE / Tour - Revolver XL 1500Li Cart NX9 HD Pro Rangefinder / S20 GPS Watch + Launch Monitor Denver, Colorado Home Course: Eisenhower Golf Club, USAF Academy Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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