harrythekid Posted July 13, 2021 Share Posted July 13, 2021 Hey guys, So I wanted to get your feedback about reg vs stiff shafts. What would you say about the true difference between two shafts, one stiff and one regular, with the same or nearly the same weight. Is this more of a mental difference? We could compare the True Temper Elevate 95 shafts. Reg flex is 96g and stiff is 96. If my goal is to increase swing and ball speed with a swing speed at approximately 90mph, is the difference a factor? Where would someone lose out on either side? MGoBlue100 1 Quote Cleveland Launcher HB Turbo 10.5 Callaway Mavrik 5-PW Callaway JAWS MD5 50°, 54°, 58° Cleveland Tfi putter Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HDTVMAN Posted July 15, 2021 Share Posted July 15, 2021 There are no specific specs required for shafts by the USGA or R&A. You also cannot compare a regular in one brand to a regular in another. You can compare regular to stiff in the same brand. Like tire ratings, they are only good for that specific brand. Bottom line...you have to hit each shaft you are interested in. Go to a professional fitter. Don't go to big box national chains, as their "fitters" just came from McDonald's and have absolutely NO TRAINING! They may see a video, but nothing else. I know because I worked there after I retired from a professional position. I paid my own way to Carlsbad and Phoenix for training, so I knew what I was doing, and did it right. I did it for fun, but the young kids hired for less than $10/hr couldn't care less, and the store manager where I worked said don't let them leave without a purchase. I walked in to open one morning and found all the tracking equipment "Juiced"! Just tell the customer what they want to hear and get the money! Go to a PRO or a PROFESSIONAL SHOP. MGoBlue100 and tdroma98 2 Quote Certified Club Fitter. Ping G425 Max Driver 10.5° w/Fujikura Ventus TR Ping G425 Max 5-7-9 Fairway Woods w/Ping Alta CB Ping G425 Irons 5-U w/Ping Alta CB (Power-Spec Lofts) Ping 4.0 Eye2 Glide Wedges 54°-58° w/Recoil SmacWrap Ping Redwood ZB Putter w/PP58 PING Pioneer Cart Bag Lamkin Sonar+ Wrap Mid-Size Grips Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cnosil Posted July 15, 2021 Share Posted July 15, 2021 On 7/13/2021 at 1:23 PM, harrythekid said: Hey guys, So I wanted to get your feedback about reg vs stiff shafts. What would you say about the true difference between two shafts, one stiff and one regular, with the same or nearly the same weight. Is this more of a mental difference? We could compare the True Temper Elevate 95 shafts. Reg flex is 96g and stiff is 96. If my goal is to increase swing and ball speed with a swing speed at approximately 90mph, is the difference a factor? Where would someone lose out on either side? The difference is how the shaft loads and unloads. Stiffer shafts typically take more effort to load the shaft so you can maximize its potential. Additionally the flex may impact how well you can return the face to the proper impact location and hit the center of the face. A shaft generally won’t increase swing speed. So, in summary, the difference is how well the shaft works for you particular swing. MGoBlue100 1 Quote Driver: G400 Max 9* w/ KBS Tour Driven Fairway: TS3 15* w/Project X Hzardous Smoke Hybrids: 915H 21* w/KBS Tour Graphite Hybrid Prototype 915H 24* w/KBS Tour Graphite Hybrid Prototype Irons: TR20V 6-11 w/Vizard TR20-85 Graphite Wedge: 54/12D, 60/8M w/:Accra iWedge 90 Graphite Putter: Sacks Parente MC 3 Stripe Backup Putters: Milled Collection RSX 2, mFGP2, Futura 5W, TM-180 Member: MGS Hitsquad since 2017 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jim Sauer Posted July 15, 2021 Share Posted July 15, 2021 If we're talking iron shafts, which I think we are, best advise I can give is go to a fitter that has a Mizuno shaft optimizer. It has sensors that measure key forces placed on the shaft during your swing. With a couple swings it will give you several choices in shafts. A good starting point. In my area (Milwaukee) Golf Galaxy and Dick's Sporting Goods are equipped with them. Great piece of fitting equipment. MGoBlue100 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IONEPUTT Posted July 15, 2021 Share Posted July 15, 2021 You are NOT going to see ANY difference is swing or ball speed between the R or S flex shafts. NOT going to happen. So get the flex YOU HIT THE BEST. For me, ddriver speed 105, I get a higher ball flight with a S flex shaft in my irons compared to a R flex shaft. But that's ME. You need to test both a go by what you get. MGoBlue100 1 Quote All my clubs are custom built with aftermarket shafts that have been spine and FLO aligned for max performance every swing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cnosil Posted July 15, 2021 Share Posted July 15, 2021 5 minutes ago, IONEPUTT said: You are NOT going to see ANY difference is swing or ball speed between the R or S flex shafts. NOT going to happen. So get the flex YOU HIT THE BEST. For me, ddriver speed 105, I get a higher ball flight with a S flex shaft in my irons compared to a R flex shaft. But that's ME. You need to test both a go by what you get. Ball speed is influenced by where you hit the ball on the face. Flex influences where you hit the ball in the face. Getting those aligned could result in better ball speed. I saw a fitting session where a low speed swinger achieved batter face contact with an x flex vs a senior flex. If fit was Based on swing speed the player fit a senior flex. People react to shafts differently. It will depend on the player on how much shaft will influence the swing. harrythekid and MGoBlue100 2 Quote Driver: G400 Max 9* w/ KBS Tour Driven Fairway: TS3 15* w/Project X Hzardous Smoke Hybrids: 915H 21* w/KBS Tour Graphite Hybrid Prototype 915H 24* w/KBS Tour Graphite Hybrid Prototype Irons: TR20V 6-11 w/Vizard TR20-85 Graphite Wedge: 54/12D, 60/8M w/:Accra iWedge 90 Graphite Putter: Sacks Parente MC 3 Stripe Backup Putters: Milled Collection RSX 2, mFGP2, Futura 5W, TM-180 Member: MGS Hitsquad since 2017 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jim Sauer Posted July 15, 2021 Share Posted July 15, 2021 https://www.bing.com/videos/search?q=mizuno+shaft+optimizer+3d&&view=detail&mid=C1849D234B8B63C78BD2C1849D234B8B63C78BD2&&FORM=VRDGAR&ru=%2Fvideos%2Fsearch%3Fq%3Dmizuno%2Bshaft%2Boptimizer%2B3d%26FORM%3DHDRSC4 Mizuno Shaft Optimizer 3D. Check it out. tdroma98 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RickyBobby_PR Posted July 15, 2021 Share Posted July 15, 2021 1 hour ago, IONEPUTT said: You are NOT going to see ANY difference is swing or ball speed between the R or S flex shafts. NOT going to happen. So get the flex YOU HIT THE BEST. For me, ddriver speed 105, I get a higher ball flight with a S flex shaft in my irons compared to a R flex shaft. But that's ME. You need to test both a go by what you get. If a regular flex has someone hotting the ball off the heel while a stiff has them hitting off the sweet spot or toward the toe there’s going to a difference in ball speed. Also from a swing speed perspective there’s going to be a loading difference in the two flexes and will result in different swing speed. Comparing driver flex with iron flex is even worse than comparing flexes between to different brand driver shafts cnosil, MGoBlue100 and Vegan_Golfer_PNW 3 Quote Driver: PXG 0811 X+ Proto w/UST Helium 5F4 Wood: TaylorMade M5 5W w/Accra TZ5 +1/2”, TaylorMade Sim 3W w/Aldila rogue white Hybrid: PXG Gen2 22* w/AD hybrid Irons: PXG Gen3 0311T w/Nippon modus 120 Wedges: TaylorMade MG2 50*, Tiger grind 56/60 Putter: Scotty Caemeron Super Rat1 Ball: Titleist Prov1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Donn lost in San Diego Posted July 15, 2021 Share Posted July 15, 2021 Can o worms. weights are only part of the story. tips and kick points are important but are not reduced to a common number. try em, feel em, hit em. If you really want to increase swing speed, probably need a lighter weight or lighter swing weight. For fun, I would pick up used clubs at thrift stores, hit them at the range for practice, or use for a few rounds, and give them away again. Quote Drv: PXG 0211, Evnflo Riptide CB Senior, Callaway 454 TI (2004) 10 and an 11, regular flex. 3W: Callaway Steelhead Xr Tensei Blue CK 55 gram senior. TM Burner Superfast 3.0 M flex. 5W : Titleist TSi 1 on Aldila Ascent 40 regular flex. Driving Iron: Mizuno MP 18 MMC 3 18 degree, on Mamiya Recoil reg flex. 4 iron: forged Mizuno Fly-Hi, 24 degree hollow body. 6 - PW: Ping I 500, on Recoil reg flex. Gap: 52/9 GFF Mizuno S5, Lob: 60/6 GFF Mizuno T7. Sand: Ancien Regime 56/12 Hogan Sure Out, Apex shaft. Heavy sole. Chipper: Ancien Regime Don Martin "Up n In" bronze or copper. Putter: Odyssey Stroke Lab "R" Ball, face balanced, 2 piece, multi material shaft. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RickyBobby_PR Posted July 15, 2021 Share Posted July 15, 2021 2 hours ago, Donn lost in San Diego said: If you really want to increase swing speed, probably need a lighter weight or lighter swing weight. Not always. Finding the right feel, weight and profile that help with better sequencing. Theres been several members lately that have posted about not gaining speed by going lighter cnosil 1 Quote Driver: PXG 0811 X+ Proto w/UST Helium 5F4 Wood: TaylorMade M5 5W w/Accra TZ5 +1/2”, TaylorMade Sim 3W w/Aldila rogue white Hybrid: PXG Gen2 22* w/AD hybrid Irons: PXG Gen3 0311T w/Nippon modus 120 Wedges: TaylorMade MG2 50*, Tiger grind 56/60 Putter: Scotty Caemeron Super Rat1 Ball: Titleist Prov1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hook DeLoft Posted July 20, 2021 Share Posted July 20, 2021 Back to the original poster's question, I've wondered the same thing. I don't remember what shaft it was, but I was looking at a graphite iron shaft on the Golfworks site and the specs were identical between 2 different flexes, including the same exact weights and torque ratings. So, what makes one feel stiffer than the other? Quote 14 of the following: Ping G430 Max 10.5 degree Callaway 2023 Big Bertha 3 wood set to 17 degrees Cobra F9 Speedback 7/8 wood set at 23.5 degrees Callaway Epic Max 11 wood Ping Eye 2 BeCu 2-SW Mizuno 923 JPX HM HL 6-GW Hogan sand wedge 56 degree bent to 53 Maltby M Series+ 54 degree Ping Glide 3.0 Eye2 58 degree Ping Glide 3.0 60 degree Evnroll ER2 Ping Sigma 2 Anser Cheap Top Flite mallet putter from Dick's, currently holding down first place in the bag TaylorMade Mini Spider Bridgestone XS Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cnosil Posted July 20, 2021 Share Posted July 20, 2021 12 minutes ago, Hook DeLoft said: Back to the original poster's question, I've wondered the same thing. I don't remember what shaft it was, but I was looking at a graphite iron shaft on the Golfworks site and the specs were identical between 2 different flexes, including the same exact weights and torque ratings. So, what makes one feel stiffer than the other? The types of material Used to construct the shaft as well as where and how the material is applied to the shaft, Quote Driver: G400 Max 9* w/ KBS Tour Driven Fairway: TS3 15* w/Project X Hzardous Smoke Hybrids: 915H 21* w/KBS Tour Graphite Hybrid Prototype 915H 24* w/KBS Tour Graphite Hybrid Prototype Irons: TR20V 6-11 w/Vizard TR20-85 Graphite Wedge: 54/12D, 60/8M w/:Accra iWedge 90 Graphite Putter: Sacks Parente MC 3 Stripe Backup Putters: Milled Collection RSX 2, mFGP2, Futura 5W, TM-180 Member: MGS Hitsquad since 2017 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RickyBobby_PR Posted July 20, 2021 Share Posted July 20, 2021 1 hour ago, Hook DeLoft said: Back to the original poster's question, I've wondered the same thing. I don't remember what shaft it was, but I was looking at a graphite iron shaft on the Golfworks site and the specs were identical between 2 different flexes, including the same exact weights and torque ratings. So, what makes one feel stiffer than the other? Feel is dependent on the golfer and two golfers even with identical swing speeds can feel two different things with the same shaft depending on how they swing the club. Example someone who has an aggressive transition will have a different feel than someone with a smooth transition. Now as far as feel in general that is what manufacturers use torque for. The higher the number the softer the shaft will feel. Stiffness is a measurement done on a machine to measure cpm. Each manufacturer has a com rating to determine this just like they do for torque. By changing the material and/or the direction it is placed on the shaft the manufacturer can change weight, torque, stiffness. Quote Driver: PXG 0811 X+ Proto w/UST Helium 5F4 Wood: TaylorMade M5 5W w/Accra TZ5 +1/2”, TaylorMade Sim 3W w/Aldila rogue white Hybrid: PXG Gen2 22* w/AD hybrid Irons: PXG Gen3 0311T w/Nippon modus 120 Wedges: TaylorMade MG2 50*, Tiger grind 56/60 Putter: Scotty Caemeron Super Rat1 Ball: Titleist Prov1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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