Bushnell Launch Pro

[CRW]

I don’t have an issue with radar based monitors, in fact I prefer Trackman over GCQuad even indoors. However, the early reports on the R10 seem to indicate that it’s not going to be in the same ball park compared to the Launch Pro when it comes to accuracy. Assuming the Launch Pro provides the same degree of accuracy as GC2/4. 

The reviews I've seen on the R10 show it picking up shots going to opposite direction as what GC4 was showing.  That is really bad and will likely be the source of a lot of frustration for golfers trying to get better…”but I hit draws on my R10 all the time…”

[ChitownM2]

28 minutes ago, CRW said:

I don’t have an issue with radar based monitors, in fact I prefer Trackman over GCQuad even indoors. However, the early reports on the R10 seem to indicate that it’s not going to be in the same ball park compared to the Launch Pro when it comes to accuracy. Assuming the Launch Pro provides the same degree of accuracy as GC2/4. 

The reviews I've seen on the R10 show it picking up shots going to opposite direction as what GC4 was showing.  That is really bad and will likely be the source of a lot of frustration for golfers trying to get better…”but I hit draws on my R10 all the time…”

That would definitely be a problem with the R10 if it can't accurately pick up the spin axis.  Have to see what future software updates bring as hopefully that could be fixed and isn't a limitation of the radar unit they are using.  Hard to believe that the product could make it all the way to launch and still be picking up the spin axis completely wrong.

[GregGarner]

On 8/24/2021 at 2:51 PM, ChitownM2 said:

That would definitely be a problem with the R10 if it can't accurately pick up the spin axis.  Have to see what future software updates bring as hopefully that could be fixed and isn't a limitation of the radar unit they are using.  Hard to believe that the product could make it all the way to launch and still be picking up the spin axis completely wrong.

I've used the R10 a couple times at the range and can confirm that it does sometimes display a shot shape other than what I hit. It's not that common, but maybe 5-10% of the time? If I were hitting into a net, I could definitely see this being a problem, but outdoors, it's obviously pretty easy to know that it got it wrong.

One thing that has been helpful in my use of the R10 is knowing which metrics are measured and which are calculated. It's measuring speeds and angles but it's calculating spin and spin axis, for example. So it's not that it's "picking up" incorrectly, it's that there's massive room for improvement on their algorithms. Hopefully that can be addressed in a firmware update.

[TR1PTIK]

I think what Harry has shared in his testing of the R10 just places that much more pressure (and hope) on the Launch Pro. 

https://mygolfspy.com/hype-meter-garmin-approach-r10/

[HeathS16]

6 hours ago, TR1PTIK said:

I think what Harry has shared in his testing of the R10 just places that much more pressure (and hope) on the Launch Pro. 

https://mygolfspy.com/hype-meter-garmin-approach-r10/

Gotta agree here. Count me in as a hopeful. I’m trying to decide if it is worth a long term savings plan to try and get to the $2k price range. Especially since the R10 doesn’t seem to be the answer in the lower end price point. I have an empty indoor in the winter that I can hit in everyday so I need something accurate indoors. 

[ST3LTR0]

More rumors indicating this would be the U.S. version of the GC3 that is upcoming and comes with a lot of the same features as the GC4 minus some of the more advanced club metrics. If it starts at 3k I think this would be an incredible purchase if the features are accurate. I'm definitely super interested to see the price and performance of this thing. A strong potential purchase for me. 

[FWiater]

I believe the launch pro will be the GC3 in Europe. Here's some specs, including 
https://webcache.googleusercontent.com/search?q=cache%3AqIa2B96vYtIJ%3Ahttps%3A%2F%2Flp.foresightsports.ca%2Fgc3%2F &cd=10&hl=en&ct=clnk&gl=us&fbclid=IwAR3iUODc_Z_vA1AUN2xtLRqkfgq2AQB0QtsYv8EMKyDwlEqHG5tqgGAlBxE

[FWiater]

Here are the connection types
https://webcache.googleusercontent.com/search?q=cache%3Ahttps%3A%2F%2Fwww.foresightsports.com%2Fgc3-connection-types-related-applications&oq=cache%3Ahttps%3A%2F%2Fwww.foresightsports.com%2Fgc3-connection-types-related-applications&aqs=chrome..69i57j69i58.5789j0j9&sourceid=chrome&ie=UTF-8&fbclid=IwAR0Im4SQxCfnLwzKBq1vCBUi63k4ElmifwnRKgTcAI8CluytZCoRnTmoCZQ

[PeterHenric]

That's a good catch on getting the Google Cache of the page.

 

According to the page, these are the metrics you don't get for the club:

Loft/Lie
Face Angle
Impact Location
Closure Rate

[FWiater]

13 hours ago, PeterHenric said:

That's a good catch on getting the Google Cache of the page.

 

According to the page, these are the metrics you don't get for the club:

Loft/Lie
Face Angle
Impact Location
Closure Rate

Correct, that would be the "4 dot" club data the Quad uses.

 

[WildcatGolf]

So basically if we use process of elimination when comparing it to the Quad, you will get Angle of Attack, Clubhead Speed, and Club Path. 

[CRW]

1 hour ago, WildcatGolf said:

So basically if we use process of elimination when comparing it to the Quad, you will get Angle of Attack, Clubhead Speed, and Club Path. 

The info was available for the GC3 online for a while before being pulled. It’s also cross posted on other golf forums. Assuming the US/Launch Pro version provides the same data, it is as follows (GC3 top, GC4 bottom of each section):

Ball Data

Launch Angle
Side Angles
Ball Speed
Total Spin
Carry
Side Spin / Spin Axis

Launch Angle
Side Angles
Ball Speed
Total Spin
Carry
Side Spin / Spin Axis 

Club Data

Club Head Speed
Smash Factor
Club Path
Angle of Attack

Club Head Speed
Smash Factor
Club Path
Angle of Attack
Loft/Lie
Face Angle
Impact Location
Closure Rate

Putting Analysis

No

Yes

[Thin2win]

Well, now that I live in a snowy area I'll be getting a PLM this year. This is sitting at the top of my wishlist at the moment. But lots will come down to pricing. 

Has anyone looked much into the difference been this and the also upcoming FullSwing Kit (with Tiger support)? That is on preorder for $3999

[FWiater]

On 9/13/2021 at 9:26 PM, Thin2win said:

Well, now that I live in a snowy area I'll be getting a PLM this year. This is sitting at the top of my wishlist at the moment. But lots will come down to pricing. 

Has anyone looked much into the difference been this and the also upcoming FullSwing Kit (with Tiger support)? That is on preorder for $3999

Fullswing Kit has been taking pre orders since December. Not much info has been released, except that it was to be released this month and looks like that will not happen.
Radar based with 15 data points with a HD camera for recording your swing. Looks like a nice unit but the lack of information about it is obscene.

 

[Thin2win]

This isn't exactly breaking news, but I read today that Vista Outdoors just purchased Foresight for $474 million, they also already own Bushnell. So that partnership now makes a lot more sense to me. 

[DKak]

Can't wait for this to come out and be tested.

More then enough info for me without spending the GC Quad money

It would be a dream if it can pick up putting as well
 

Edited September 23, 2021 by DKak

[DriverBreaker]

14 hours ago, DKak said:

Can't wait for this to come out and be tested.

More then enough info for me without spending the GC Quad money

It would be a dream if it can ppick up putting as well
 

I saw this photo today on their site as well.  If it provides all of that and you get three cameras, I could see it be a much more accurate indoor simulator for high swing speed players than sky track, R10, Mevo, etc.

It could be a real tangible solution for my player development program if the price is right.

[Thin2win]

1 hour ago, GolfSpy_CS said:

 

It could be a real tangible solution for my player development program if the price is right.

I was hoping for around 4k, but @dlow206found a Canadian golf shop taking about it. They said it was listing for $9200 CAD, which is $7000 USD

[CRW]

7 hours ago, Thin2win said:

I was hoping for around 4k, but @dlow206found a Canadian golf shop taking about it. They said it was listing for $9200 CAD, which is $7000 USD

Supposedly those are the full featured/fully unlocked prices. There are allegedly tiered options for the US/Launch Pro version where entry is around $3k and the price goes up based on what you want to add on. 

[FWiater]

Latest teaser for GC3, supposedly European version of the launch Pro