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History’s Mysteries: The Demise of MacGregor Golf


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On 7/27/2021 at 10:53 PM, Kenny B said:

I have a set of these 1025M Macs... 3-LW in very nice shape.  I would still be playing them, but the stiff shafts had to go.  I've toyed with a few shafts several years ago, but haven't found the right one.  New .355 shafts have come out since then, so maybe I'll start looking again.  Nothing felt better when you hit a good shot, and surprisingly, bad shots didn't feel all that bad.  

Yep the 1025s are great irons---- Yep newer shafts will wake those bad boys up--- And if you tinker around and get them to kick for you nothing new on the market today hits purer than those.

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Driver ---- TM M-6 Evenflow 65 G R flex---- 3 wood TM V-Steel Aldila 65G R Flex--- 7 Wood TM V-Steel Ust Pro Force 65 R flex---  Irons 4 thru PW 1980 Macgregor VIP Hogan Apex #2 shafts-- SW Cleveland 588 56* S-400 Sensicore---- LW Cleveland 588 60* S-400 Sensicore--- Putter Rusty 1997 Scotty Cameron Santa Fe fluted Bulls Eye shaft- Bag My Old School Titleist Mini Staff

 

 

 

 

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On 7/27/2021 at 12:14 PM, bens197 said:

The single set of irons that I always wanted but never pulled the trigger on were the 1025M's.  Of all the irons ever sent to retail, these were some of the most gorgeous forgings I have ever seen, held and swung.  The demo 6 iron at the range was my go-to on clean/pick days from the woods and bunkers.  These were an absolute gem from a legendary company.  Great write up @GolfSpy Barbajo

 

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I had a combo set of these and sold them. What a doofus I am- they WERE gorgeous and the combo set was very playable. I thought newer was better back then… I’m dumb AND DUMBER. 
 


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Driver: Ping 425 Max; Rogue White 70

3 Wood: Ping 410; Mitsubishi Tensei Orange

7 Wood: Callaway Steelhead

3, 5-7 Irons: Callaway Apex 19

8-AW Irons: Callaway Apex Pro 19

Wedges: Titleist 53 degree, Callaway MD4 58 X Grind 

Putter: Odyssey 10 Tour Lined; Seemore Z2

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1 hour ago, DukeStKing said:

I had a combo set of these and sold them. What a doofus I am- they WERE gorgeous and the combo set was very playable. I thought newer was better back then… I’m dumb AND DUMBER. 
 


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If we only knew then what we know now...

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  • Vokey SM8 50 Nippon Modus 3 120s
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20 hours ago, BIG STU said:

Yep the 1025s are great irons---- Yep newer shafts will wake those bad boys up--- And if you tinker around and get them to kick for you nothing new on the market today hits purer than those.

Especially with a set of Hogan Apex shafts - my Mac-Hogans are back in the bag, baby!

And because I have a sickness for which there is no known cure, I hit up eBay for a set of the 2010 VIPs. They should be here today. 

Just what I need....

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What's in the bag:
 
Driver:  Sub 70 639D - 9.5; :cleveland-small: Launcher HB Turbo; :mizuno-small: ST 190 
FW Wood: :tour-edge: Tour Edge EXS 220 - 15*; :mizuno-small: ST 180 14*
Hybrids:  PXG 0311 22
Utility Irons: :wilson_staff_small: Staff Model Utilities 18, 21, 24*;  Lynx VT Stinger - 16*
Irons::wilson_staff_small: D7 Forged; :benhogan-small:PTx Pro, :macgregor-small: VIP 1025 V-Foil MB/CB; :wilson_staff_small: Progressives (circa 1993)

Wedges:  :cleveland-small: CBX -2, :benhogan-small:Riviera 52-56-60; :wilson_staff_small: Staff Model
Putter:   :edel-golf-1:  Willamette,  :bettinardi-small: BB8,  :benhogan-small:Baby Ben

Ball: :bridgestone-small: Tour B X (2020); :srixon-small: Z-STAR XV

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Hey Sherman, set the way back machine for 1984…….I bought a barely used set of irons for $150. Nicklaus Muirfields by Macgregor! OMG, these were so sweet.  Unfortunately I donated them around 2005.  Wish I still had them.  They were my Favs back when I was a 10 handicap.

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Driver: PXG 0211 w/Evenflo Riptide CB Regular shaft 

Fairways:  Cobra King F8 3-4W(16*) & 5-6W(20*) w/Mitsubishi ck Blue regular shaft 

Hybrid: Cobra F8 3 Hybrid(19*) w/Recoil ES regular shaft 

Irons: Wilson D7 5-PW w/Recoil 460 Regular graphite shafts 

Wedges: Cleveland RTX Zipcore(50*/54*/58*) w/True Temper Spinner Wedge steel shaft  

Putter: 33" Evnroll ER2 w/Evnroll Gravity Grip 

Bag: Vice cart bag(Black).  

Pushcart:  Caddytek 3.0 from Costco

Ball: Maxfli Tour CG & Titleist Pro V1x.

 

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On 8/1/2021 at 5:45 PM, GolfSpy Barbajo said:

Especially with a set of Hogan Apex shafts - my Mac-Hogans are back in the bag, baby!

And because I have a sickness for which there is no known cure, I hit up eBay for a set of the 2010 VIPs. They should be here today. 

Just what I need....

LOL Mac Hogans what a combo

 

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Driver ---- TM M-6 Evenflow 65 G R flex---- 3 wood TM V-Steel Aldila 65G R Flex--- 7 Wood TM V-Steel Ust Pro Force 65 R flex---  Irons 4 thru PW 1980 Macgregor VIP Hogan Apex #2 shafts-- SW Cleveland 588 56* S-400 Sensicore---- LW Cleveland 588 60* S-400 Sensicore--- Putter Rusty 1997 Scotty Cameron Santa Fe fluted Bulls Eye shaft- Bag My Old School Titleist Mini Staff

 

 

 

 

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So the 2010 MacGregor VIP irons showed up last week - got a 4-PW set on eBay for 80 bucks. After a range session and one round, I'd have to see they're a steal. 

They're forged, with a regular flex KBS Tour shaft, and they're soft, silly easy to heat and surprisingly long for what one might call a traditionally lofted iron. I'll get some pix up as soon as I can, but I can say it's a really solid, nice feeling forged cavity back worthy of the name, even though it doesn't have the diamonds on the ends of the score lines or the traditional MacGregor ferrule. 

h/Working on the next History's Mysteries - trying to track down the back story of these babies, how they came to be and why there were no m ore. 

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What's in the bag:
 
Driver:  Sub 70 639D - 9.5; :cleveland-small: Launcher HB Turbo; :mizuno-small: ST 190 
FW Wood: :tour-edge: Tour Edge EXS 220 - 15*; :mizuno-small: ST 180 14*
Hybrids:  PXG 0311 22
Utility Irons: :wilson_staff_small: Staff Model Utilities 18, 21, 24*;  Lynx VT Stinger - 16*
Irons::wilson_staff_small: D7 Forged; :benhogan-small:PTx Pro, :macgregor-small: VIP 1025 V-Foil MB/CB; :wilson_staff_small: Progressives (circa 1993)

Wedges:  :cleveland-small: CBX -2, :benhogan-small:Riviera 52-56-60; :wilson_staff_small: Staff Model
Putter:   :edel-golf-1:  Willamette,  :bettinardi-small: BB8,  :benhogan-small:Baby Ben

Ball: :bridgestone-small: Tour B X (2020); :srixon-small: Z-STAR XV

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22 hours ago, GolfSpy Barbajo said:

So the 2010 MacGregor VIP irons showed up last week - got a 4-PW set on eBay for 80 bucks. After a range session and one round, I'd have to see they're a steal. 

They're forged, with a regular flex KBS Tour shaft, and they're soft, silly easy to heat and surprisingly long for what one might call a traditionally lofted iron. I'll get some pix up as soon as I can, but I can say it's a really solid, nice feeling forged cavity back worthy of the name, even though it doesn't have the diamonds on the ends of the score lines or the traditional MacGregor ferrule. 

h/Working on the next History's Mysteries - trying to track down the back story of these babies, how they came to be and why there were no m ore. 

I was thinking the 2010s were Golfsmith products but I may be wrong, Which IMHO the Golfsmith heads were good. 

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Driver ---- TM M-6 Evenflow 65 G R flex---- 3 wood TM V-Steel Aldila 65G R Flex--- 7 Wood TM V-Steel Ust Pro Force 65 R flex---  Irons 4 thru PW 1980 Macgregor VIP Hogan Apex #2 shafts-- SW Cleveland 588 56* S-400 Sensicore---- LW Cleveland 588 60* S-400 Sensicore--- Putter Rusty 1997 Scotty Cameron Santa Fe fluted Bulls Eye shaft- Bag My Old School Titleist Mini Staff

 

 

 

 

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On 8/9/2021 at 5:04 PM, GolfSpy Barbajo said:

So the 2010 MacGregor VIP irons showed up last week - got a 4-PW set on eBay for 80 bucks. After a range session and one round, I'd have to see they're a steal. 

They're forged, with a regular flex KBS Tour shaft, and they're soft, silly easy to heat and surprisingly long for what one might call a traditionally lofted iron. I'll get some pix up as soon as I can, but I can say it's a really solid, nice feeling forged cavity back worthy of the name, even though it doesn't have the diamonds on the ends of the score lines or the traditional MacGregor ferrule. 

h/Working on the next History's Mysteries - trying to track down the back story of these babies, how they came to be and why there were no m ore. 


Are you talking about the Pro C and Pro M models?

Driver: TM Original One 11.5* set to 10*, Aldila RIP Alpha 80 X, 43.5" -or- King LTD, ProtoPype 80X, 43.25"
3w:  Cobra King LTD, RIP Beta 90, 42"
2h or 3h:  TaylorMade Stage 2 Tour, Aldila NV105 S
Irons:  3-PW Mizuno MP37, Recoil Proto 125 F4 (reshaft in progress, slowly); 1i & 3-PW Golden Ram TW276, NV105 S; TBD iron set, RIP Tour 115 R
GW: Dynacraft Dual Milled CNC 52*, Steelfiber 125 S; Scratch 8620 DS 53*, Steelfiber 125 S
SW:  Ram TG-898 56*, DGX ss2x; Ram Tom Watson 55*, DGX ss2x; Wilson Staff PMP 58*, DGS; PM Grind 19 58*, stock shaft
Putter:  Mizuno TPM-2, 34"
Ball:  Wilson Staff Duo Professional, TM TP5, Kirkland Signature 3pc v2

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On 7/27/2021 at 7:35 PM, downlowkey said:

The first Mac forging that I danced with was a set of Tourney PMB. In 1998 dollars, custom 2-PW cost me $1400 (employee discount). Beautiful buttery wrenches but they were too cruel even at the peak of my ball striking abilities.

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That was an enjoyable stroll down memory lane @GolfSpy Barbajo. In your exhaustive research did you come across any mention of Darren Clarke’s contract with Macgregor that granted him a new Ferrari for every tournament win?


I had a set of these also.  Can't remember why I traded/sold them.  Really wish I hadn't.

I didn't think they were all that hard to hit, but I'm funny that way.  I mean, I play Golden Rams for fun, so what do I know?

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Driver: TM Original One 11.5* set to 10*, Aldila RIP Alpha 80 X, 43.5" -or- King LTD, ProtoPype 80X, 43.25"
3w:  Cobra King LTD, RIP Beta 90, 42"
2h or 3h:  TaylorMade Stage 2 Tour, Aldila NV105 S
Irons:  3-PW Mizuno MP37, Recoil Proto 125 F4 (reshaft in progress, slowly); 1i & 3-PW Golden Ram TW276, NV105 S; TBD iron set, RIP Tour 115 R
GW: Dynacraft Dual Milled CNC 52*, Steelfiber 125 S; Scratch 8620 DS 53*, Steelfiber 125 S
SW:  Ram TG-898 56*, DGX ss2x; Ram Tom Watson 55*, DGX ss2x; Wilson Staff PMP 58*, DGS; PM Grind 19 58*, stock shaft
Putter:  Mizuno TPM-2, 34"
Ball:  Wilson Staff Duo Professional, TM TP5, Kirkland Signature 3pc v2

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I played muirfield irons in the mid 80's. Liked them, very good feel. Their persimmon woods built in the 1950's were the bomb back before metal woods. I cannot imagine a current pro who could push this company back to its heyday. Prior playing pros who designed clubs did it by hand, it was an art. With computer, multi-materials and modern casting and forging, it is hard to think of any touring pro that could make that work.

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Good article. I had CG-1800's because of Nicklaus. Now I play PING because in R&D, they ARE the best.

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Ping i500 Irons 5-U w/Recoil SmacWrap F3 Flex (power-spec lofts)

Ping 3.0 Eye2 Glide Wedges 54°-58° w/Recoil SmacWrap F3 Flex

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On 8/10/2021 at 4:52 PM, BIG STU said:

I was thinking the 2010s were Golfsmith products but I may be wrong, Which IMHO the Golfsmith heads were good. 

Yep - part of Golfsmith's first product line with MacGregor. Some of that lineup was very good (these irons, specifically, and a few of the putters), the rest was kinda meh, from what I've been able to find. 

Stumbled across this during research:

ULTIMATE REVIEW! - BEST FORGED CAVITY-BACK IRONS (mygolfspy.com)

The VIP irons finished a strong third in MyGolfSpy's cavity back iron review for 2010, behind the Mizuno MP-53 and the Cobra Pro CB. It's an interesting read. 

 

And here's a rundown of the 2010 lineup...

MacGregor Golf Launches New Equipment Line | GolfCrunch.com

 

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What's in the bag:
 
Driver:  Sub 70 639D - 9.5; :cleveland-small: Launcher HB Turbo; :mizuno-small: ST 190 
FW Wood: :tour-edge: Tour Edge EXS 220 - 15*; :mizuno-small: ST 180 14*
Hybrids:  PXG 0311 22
Utility Irons: :wilson_staff_small: Staff Model Utilities 18, 21, 24*;  Lynx VT Stinger - 16*
Irons::wilson_staff_small: D7 Forged; :benhogan-small:PTx Pro, :macgregor-small: VIP 1025 V-Foil MB/CB; :wilson_staff_small: Progressives (circa 1993)

Wedges:  :cleveland-small: CBX -2, :benhogan-small:Riviera 52-56-60; :wilson_staff_small: Staff Model
Putter:   :edel-golf-1:  Willamette,  :bettinardi-small: BB8,  :benhogan-small:Baby Ben

Ball: :bridgestone-small: Tour B X (2020); :srixon-small: Z-STAR XV

Stat Tracker/GPS Watch: :ShotScope:


 
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Great read!!!  In my bag today is a MacGregor Smoothie putter.  Back in the 70s, I played several MacGregor persimmon drivers.  They were with me until the first Taylor Made metal wood.  I still have all of those MacGregor drivers, just don't play them now.  Never did own MacGregor irons.  I played with Wilson Staffs back then until the first Ping irons came out. 

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Driver - Taylormade M6

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Hybrids - Taylormade RBZ

Irons - Taylormade RSi1

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Great read...MacGregor was neck and neck with Wilson and Hogan in my day...but Hogan separated I thought from the group...making a huge move with the golf professional....there was no Mr. Wilson nor Mr. MacGregor....but there was a Mr. Hogan! I still buy, sell and tinker with old MacGregor irons...just bought a set of JNP's yesterday cheap....always loved how most MacGregor irons framed the scoring lines with diamonds, etc....1025 series hard to beat....old MT's still around the house....stocked MacGregor in my own shop.....worked for Schneider group briefly....and by the way.....they made great Tourney golf balls back in late 60's and early 70's...before Jack introduced the Muirfield line.....have tons of Toney Penna around the house as well...he was a great innovator and a great match for the company...he was a valuable asset that got away..golf history is always a great read....never knew the Medina connection with Armour and Penna...so thanks!

On 6/21/2021 at 10:59 AM, jlukes said:

Snell MTB Black is your best bet for the price.

 

On 7/11/2021 at 2:55 AM, RichL85 said:

So, I'm going to admit, I'm pretty much lost at the moment when it comes to current golf ball offerings. I have spent a number of years away and obviously technology has come a long way. I'm at a point now where I'm not even sure where to start so I'm looking for a few recommendations. 

To start, I'm not good enough to nitpick the minute differences between many of the balls out there, but I do prefer a softer feel. As an example of past premium balls I have liked, the old Srixon Z-URS is probably my favorite of all time. Having said that, I could play the Srixon AD-333 or a Callaway Chrome Soft and the only huge difference I noticed between the three was spin around the greens. Would anyone be able to recommend a couple balls to try out? I don't mind paying for Pro V1s, but I'd rather find something a little less for now because I still lose a few here and there and I honestly don't notice a lot of the performance benefits. My game is still in a place that my consistency and swing are far bigger factors than the ball to my scores. Thanks in advance. 

 

On 7/25/2021 at 11:26 AM, jlukes said:

I got my grandfathers old putter when he passed and originally thought of restoring it. After some thought, I decided to not touch it and leave it the way he left it

 

On 7/26/2021 at 7:38 PM, GolfSpy_TCG said:

Today marks the First Installment of a new series to the MyGolfSpy catalog of series, History's Mysteries. In this first chapter, we look at MacGregor Golf, one of the early premier brands next to the then giant, Wilson Staff. The brand exploded from what we would consider a start-up through the late 1800s to a burgeoning golf brand in the 1930s just after the great depression. How did they make the transition in such a turbulent time? Tommy Armour and Toney Penna joined the ranks to promote and play MacGregor clubs. A few highlights of the MacGregor brand:

  • 2nd Most PGA Tour Major Wins 59 
  • In the late 30s, they signed and produced clubs for Tommy Armour which put them on the map
  • By 1950, MacGregor had the most tour players 
  • They introduced some of the first "forgiving" irons with large top lines and low center of gravity
  • MacGregor's tour players (and often owners) included the likes of Tommy Armour, Jack Nicklaus, Toney Penna, and Ben Hogan

A few questions for the forum:

  1. Is there a player (or couple of players) out there right now that could put a golf brand at the top of the Most Wanted list?
  2. Have you played or ever seen MacGregor branded clubs out in the wild?
  3. What could Schneider's Parkside Group do to put MacGregor back on the map?

 

 

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Had a great set of JNP irons that I got directly from Jack Wulkotte through a friend. I played them for years until someone stole the 7-iron out of my bag. Miss the feel of those still.

Driver: Cobra BioCell

3W: Cobra BioCell

4/5 Hybrid: Cobra Fly Z

Irons: Taylor Made Burner HT, 4-AW

Gap Wedge: Cleveland CG14, 56 deg.

SW: Hogan Edge GCD

Putter: Yes C-Groove Tracy, 35" or Yes C-Groove Sandy 12, 35"

Ball: Maxfli Tour

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The article was a terrific read. Thanks for that. 

I might have missed it in @GolfSpy Barbajo’s piece, but MacGregor still has a presence in the UK. To what extent, I don’t know. Nor can I figure out who owns it. They tout the brand’s history, so something is still running it.

  
https://www.macgregor-golf.co.uk

DRIVER :ping-small: G410 PLUS 10.5°  TENSEI CK ORANGE 60 S  |  IRONS :mizuno-small: JPX 900 FORGED 5-PW  PROJECT X LZ 5.5

FAIRWAY :ping-small: G410 3/14.5°  PROJECT X EVENFLOW BLACK 85 6.0   WEDGES :cleveland-small: CBX 2 50°, 54°, 58°

HYBRIDS :ping-small: G410 19°, 22°  ALTA CB 70 RED   PUTTER :ping-small: KARSTEN ANSER 33"

BALL :wilson_staff_small: DUO U

BAG :1590477705_SunMountain: FRONT 9 LH  |  PUSHCART :Clicgear: ROVIC RV1S 

 

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I'm so glad I ran across this post today! I have not read the article yet, but I plan to tonight. 

Have I seen MacGregor clubs in the wild? Yeah, every single time I play or go to the range! They make up all but two clubs that I carry. I have a full set of M565 V-Foil forged irons that are as sweet and buttery today as the day I bought them over 12 years ago. I also have 52 and 56 degree V-Foil Tour wedges. Every bit as nice as anything made by Cleveland, Titleist or Mizuno. I also play a V-Foil Tourney 13 degree 3 wood, and finish off every hole with my "The Fat Lady Swings" putter. The remake, not the original. So yeah, I guess you can say I'm a MacGregor fan boi. 

Unfortunately this year I did have to retire my white leather MacGregor tour bag as it was just getting a little too ratty. But it still holds all my spare clube in the garage and I doubt i will ever get rid of it. Love MacGregor and I hope they do make a comeback. I'm retiring in 3 years, and I may want to purchase a new set of clubs as I anticipate playing a LOT more golf. 

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