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1 hour ago, juspoole said:

This is interesting.  I feel like putting is so mental already and I can certainly attest to trying the smallest mental changes and seeing real differences.  

I am a good, but not great putter.  I feel as though, my green reading is fair and my distance control is usually pretty good.  However, I definitely don't feel I make as many putts as I should.  Lately, I've probably been focused too much on line rather than let's make this. 

It's probably 20' and in for me that I think I have a chance to make it if I put a good stroke and read to it.

This is the method I use for speed control as well and it's been huge for my distance the past few years.  Once I get past around 50', it's a bit tougher to distinguish, but agree this is a good and reliable method to use if you can get your tempo on track.

How much Sunday PGA coverage are you watching🤣🤣 that'll just make you feel bad.

Remember, it's supposed to take 36 putts to get around in regulation. I'm a 4 and I average 31 putts. If there's a day I'm down around 27 or less putts it means I missed a ton of greens. I said it earlier in this thread, but the break even point for PGA is 8 feet. So what we can reasonably expect to make, without serious practice, is anything within 4 or 5 feet.

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11 hours ago, Shankster said:

So, what if the practice green rolls waaay faster than on the course?  Seems counterintuitive to practice on something that is not the same as what you are going to play on?

Sure. The technique practice is invaluable, but warming up pre round?  I think that would cause me more issues than it would help.

Although I've seen occasions where the practice green is different from the greens on the course, is there an alternative to using the practice green?  I don't know about anyone else, but I don't have access to the course's greens before a round of golf, the practice green is unavoidable.  And in a stroke play competition, you're not allowed to practice on the course prior to your round, two practice putts result in a DQ penalty.   I warm up on the practice green, hit longer putts to understand the speed there, and try to adjust if I find the greens on the course are different.  I look at the green surface, I feel for firmer or softer turf, and take that into account through my round.  

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47 minutes ago, Shapotomous said:

I have straight putt marks on my putting green marked at 5', 10', 15' & 20' and I regularly hit putts from each spot.  When really concentrating I can stay above 50% up to the 15' mark but drop off to about 20% at the 20' mark.

Wow! That's Tour level putting at 15'. Share some of your practice drills... please... 😀

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4 minutes ago, DaveP043 said:

Although I've seen occasions where the practice green is different from the greens on the course, is there an alternative to using the practice green?  I don't know about anyone else, but I don't have access to the course's greens before a round of golf, the practice green is unavoidable.  And in a stroke play competition, you're not allowed to practice on the course prior to your round, two practice putts result in a DQ penalty.   I warm up on the practice green, hit longer putts to understand the speed there, and try to adjust if I find the greens on the course are different.  I look at the green surface, I feel for firmer or softer turf, and take that into account through my round.  

There is a little chipping green that is probably closer to what the on course conditions are like.  And the style.  The practice green looks like something off the putt putt course, hills, mountains… nothing compared to what the course has.  Don’t get it.

 

Maybe I’ll roll some on the chipping green next time.  I need to look at a different style of putting.  Too much practice gives me a back ache, and by too much I mean like 5-10 minutes.

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1 minute ago, Shankster said:

Too much practice gives me a back ache, and by too much I mean like 5-10 minutes.

I'm the same way, I keep my putting practice pretty limited.  A bit of short-range practice to work on hitting my line, and a bit of longer practice to work on speed, and I'm done.  That's two of the three components of putting, and I use Aimpoint for green-reading.  

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19 minutes ago, DaveP043 said:

Although I've seen occasions where the practice green is different from the greens on the course, is there an alternative to using the practice green?  I don't know about anyone else, but I don't have access to the course's greens before a round of golf, the practice green is unavoidable.  And in a stroke play competition, you're not allowed to practice on the course prior to your round, two practice putts result in a DQ penalty.   I warm up on the practice green, hit longer putts to understand the speed there, and try to adjust if I find the greens on the course are different.  I look at the green surface, I feel for firmer or softer turf, and take that into account through my round.  

When I play in comps I really focus on those 4-6 footers in warm up. Avoid those 3 putts and build some confidence by making a lot of putts prior to tee off.

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Spending time on the putting green for practice feels a lot more tedious, and feels less glamorous, than swinging full on the range. But, as mentioned earlier in the thread, designed par accounts for 36 putts out of 72 strokes. So for those who minimize time on the practice green, that is neglecting 50% of the game.

Back to the OP question.. What length are you trying to make a putt? I prefer to think more along the lines of 'what distance to I expect to make a putt?' That's where putting in the practice time comes in. I mentioned my confident make range is about 6'. Until I'm inside that distance, I try not to be frustrated if it doesn't drop. Even though beyond that, I hit every putt with the intent of giving it a chance to go in.

I changed my mentality a lot after reading 'The Little Book of Breaking 80'. It's main idea is similar to those who say, "play from the hole backwards". Basically, until you've missed a putt inside your confident make range, you haven't added an extra stroke to  your score. Every stroke you take to prior to that putt is simply trying to position the ball there.

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30 minutes ago, DiscipleofPenick said:

How much Sunday PGA coverage are you watching🤣🤣 that'll just make you feel bad.

Remember, it's supposed to take 36 putts to get around in regulation. I'm a 4 and I average 31 putts. If there's a day I'm down around 27 or less putts it means I missed a ton of greens. I said it earlier in this thread, but the break even point for PGA is 8 feet. So what we can reasonably expect to make, without serious practice, is anything within 4 or 5 feet.

Good Point - I guess i meant that I should have a pretty good run at it since I'll be able to judge speed pretty well.  I know the percentages are low even at 10 feet for me to be honest.  I average around 33/34 putts around, but I do tend to hit a good amount of greens in regulation.  

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For the people they have had a proper putter fitting.  How much do you think it had an impact on your putting?  
 

I know @GolfSpy MPR recently did his Edel fitting and it seems like it really did the trick.

Yeah. Yeah. Everyone should get fit, but what were/are your returns on your game after being fitted?

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28 minutes ago, juspoole said:

Good Point - I guess i meant that I should have a pretty good run at it since I'll be able to judge speed pretty well.  I know the percentages are low even at 10 feet for me to be honest.  I average around 33/34 putts around, but I do tend to hit a good amount of greens in regulation.  

I am in a similar situation. Though I am actually just thinking of going simple and just tracking long game strokes and short game strokes. I'd call short have anything inside 40 yards. Just to get a feel for where I am dropping shots.

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1 hour ago, GregB135 said:

Wow! That's Tour level putting at 15'. Share some of your practice drills... please... 😀

Not really tour level, these are straight, flat, practice green putts .... no doubt that tour guys would make a much higher % of those.  Think about the break and uphill / downhill angles they deal with on their 15'ers.

For my stroke its all about controlling the face angle.  I practice with one hand (each hand) and I really have to work at keeping the face square at impact one handed.  When I go back to two hands on the putter it's much easier to stay on line and it has really helped me to hit the line i read.  The reason I marked the green for straight putts is to take a misread out of the practice stroke results.

Testing the Ping Heppler last year had me really studying my grip, set up and stroke and I adjusted that based on drill results and video.  Those changes as well as the new putter have really improved my putting game this year.

I do need a lot of improvement on reading putts.  I practice way more than I play and I think for me to read greens better i need to be on a real one and not my mostly flat, artificial turf backyard green.

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35 minutes ago, Shankster said:

For the people they have had a proper putter fitting.  How much do you think it had an impact on your putting?  
 

I know @GolfSpy MPR recently did his Edel fitting and it seems like it really did the trick.

Yeah. Yeah. Everyone should get fit, but what were/are your returns on your game after being fitted?

Like a club fitting they are designed to reduce the mistake and give the golfer a told that works for them.

The golfer still has to execute the shot and with putting that’s line and speed. You can have a properly fitted putter but if you don’t get those two things right the ball isn’t going into the hole. 

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2 hours ago, Shankster said:

 Too much practice gives me a back ache, and by too much I mean like 5-10 minutes.

Yep.  As I've aged, I've found this to be more and more of an issue.  It's difficult for me to practice chipping and putting for extended periods unless I'm actively taking time between shots.  This has actually aided my practice routine as I'm less likely to keep hitting a bunch of balls from the same spot to the same hole.  I've gone to a better method for, not only my back, but my effectiveness of the practice, as well.  When practicing putting, I now only have one ball to work with, which forces me to move more often between shots.  When practicing chipping, I quit putting 25 balls in a heap and chipping ball after ball and have gone to tossing the balls in various locations around the practice green, again helping with the effectiveness of my practice.  Even doing this improved method, my back will still begin to act up on me and I'll have to shorten my desired time of practice.  

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Unless there is some crazy break Im trying to hole everything inside 15. 15-30, I try to only allow the miss to be high and long. 

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5 hours ago, Shankster said:

For the people they have had a proper putter fitting.  How much do you think it had an impact on your putting?  
 

I know @GolfSpy MPR recently did his Edel fitting and it seems like it really did the trick.

Yeah. Yeah. Everyone should get fit, but what were/are your returns on your game after being fitted?

It cut my 3 putting in half. At the start of year with the new stick I was 1.5-2 putts lower per round, but that difference has all but evaporated now. 

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