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Hey fellow MyGolfSpyers!

 

I wanted to share a quick story from a longtime golfing friend of mine.  He recently got fitted earlier this year for new Mizuno JPX 921 Tour irons with KBS C Taper Lite shafts.  He waited (like everyone this year) quite a long time to finally get his clubs, but his gap wedge came even later.  Finally after a total of 12 weeks, he got his gap wedge sent to him.  The last few weeks he felt like his gap wedge was going right, too high, etc...something felt wrong.  He went back to his fitter and the launch monitor even showed odd numbers.  When he removed the grip (picture shown), it appears Mizuno had cut down an 8 iron shaft for his gap wedge!  You can see clearly in the picture its a KBS shaft listed for an 8 iron, from my understanding KBS makes a shaft specifically for each club.

 

I share this as a free warning to carefully inspect your new clubs that you order!  Factory mistake or not....definitely not what he expected to get from a company like Mizuno!

 

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Yep, probably couldn't get the gap wedge shaft from KBS so they made a "spinner" shaft buy putting in an 8 iron shaft. I'm sure they expected that no one would know the difference. 

That's 100% why I build all my own stuff, can't trust anyone else to do it right. 

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You didn’t say if this was Mizuno that did this or the fitter/club builder.  8 irons as a wedge shaft isnt necessarily “wrong” and has even been suggested by KBS as as good wedge shaft option.  That said, the shaft selection should have been communicated especially if it was different than what was ordered.  

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My current Edel wedges were built with 8 iron shafts.

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10 hours ago, cnosil said:

You didn’t say if this was Mizuno that did this or the fitter/club builder.  8 irons as a wedge shaft isnt necessarily “wrong” and has even been suggested by KBS as as good wedge shaft option.  That said, the shaft selection should have been communicated especially if it was different than what was ordered.  

And have seen 9i shafts in pw. 
 

Agree there’s some details being left out here and maybe a little over hyped title

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Appreciate the updates and insights here! (Why I wanted to ask about other build “issues”) These were ordered directly from the Mizuno and their factory, the fitter was shocked as much as my buddy seeing the 8i shaft in there (or at least the fitter acted that way). The fitter called his Mizuno sales rep to get it corrected, so he is not building them.  

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I will say Mizuno has had quality issues you don't normally see from them.  I ordered a ST_Z Driver for a customer with a 5.5 Evenflow shaft, he has a 92 mph swing.   The club came and he took it straight from the box to the course without really looking at anything--he's not a club nerd..ha.    He came in to me the next day and said he thought something was wrong, and asked if this shaft was the correct one.    I looked at it and it was an XS at 85G.  I mean this thng was a piece of rebar.  I said, I bet you were hitting everything low and right?    He said, "oh my gosh, how did you know"    LOL

 

I told him who this shaft was meant for and he asked how that could happen 🙂

 

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6 minutes ago, Golfspy_CG2 said:

I will say Mizuno has had quality issues you don't normally see from them.  I ordered a ST_Z Driver for a customer with a 5.5 Evenflow shaft, he has a 92 mph swing.   The club came and he took it straight from the box to the course without really looking at anything--he's not a club nerd..ha.    He came in to me the next day and said he thought something was wrong, and asked if this shaft was the correct one.    I looked at it and it was an XS at 85G.  I mean this thng was a piece of rebar.  I said, I bet you were hitting everything low and right?    He said, "oh my gosh, how did you know"    LOL

 

I told him who this shaft was meant for and he asked how that could happen 🙂

 

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11 hours ago, cnosil said:

You didn’t say if this was Mizuno that did this or the fitter/club builder.  8 irons as a wedge shaft isnt necessarily “wrong” and has even been suggested by KBS as as good wedge shaft option.  That said, the shaft selection should have been communicated especially if it was different than what was ordered.  

This.  Just let the customer know about it as I suspect the vast majority, having heard directly from the OEM, would be fine with the change/option.  It's otherwise viewed as a "hey, you tried to slip something past me", leaving one to wonder what else might not be as expected.

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25 minutes ago, fixyurdivot said:

This.  Just let the customer know about it as I suspect the vast majority, having heard directly from the OEM, would be fine with the change/option.  It's otherwise viewed as a "hey, you tried to slip something past me", leaving one to wonder what else might not be as expected.

Exactly!  and not what he ordered or was fitted for either.  He could tell when the gap wedge was ballooning like a 60 degree wedge.

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28 minutes ago, Lenge13 said:

Exactly!  and not what he ordered or was fitted for either.  He could tell when the gap wedge was ballooning like a 60 degree wedge.

It’s not like Mizuno purposely tried to sneak something by. 1) mistakes happen 2) in the current climate it’s even more likely. The chances of any ill intent by Mizuno are slim

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Noob question - I was under the impression most iron shafts are similar shafts that are tipped and butt trimmed at different lengths to get desired shaft/characteristics for each individual iron. But it sounds like OEMs like KBS creates specific shafts for each iron?

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31 minutes ago, TBS said:

Noob question - I was under the impression most iron shafts are similar shafts that are tipped and butt trimmed at different lengths to get desired shaft/characteristics for each individual iron. But it sounds like OEMs like KBS creates specific shafts for each iron?

0.370" Parallel tip shafts are tip and butt cut to different specs for each iron but each shaft is manufactured exactly the same.  I don't have good numbers, but I'd say that less than half of all irons out there actually use parallel tip shafts.  Most use 0.355" taper tip shafts and since they taper over the full length (no parallel section) you can't tip trim them and have them fit properly in the hosel.  Thus each shaft has to be manufactured differently depending on what club it is going into so that you get the flight you want while still maintaining the same diameter at the tip.  You can also mess with the ball flight and feel by using a shaft meant for a different iron (ie a 7 iron shaft into an 8 iron).  This would be hard stepping or soft stepping depending on which way you go.

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1 hour ago, dlow206 said:

85 gram XS shaft in a driver is meant for no one...

... except @Chip Strokes 😀

I mean I wasn't tagged but I feel like I'm being singled out right now

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I can only speak to my recent experience with mixing and my irons. I purchased the JPX 921 hot metals and white it took longer that I wanted they were built to spec. The wait time was par for the course for this year. I highly doubt mixing is the only one with problems. I have a friend whose TM sim irons are coming apart with the epoxy going bad. Mistakes happen, I imagined just like every other industry they are extremely short staffed and busy

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To be fair, maybe tell us what Mizuno said in response? I've had nothing but great experiences with Mizuno myself.

And when I had my irons reshafted this Spring, the club maker ordered 39.5" 4i, 39" 5i, 38.5" 6i, 38" 7i, 37.5" 8i and 3x37" 9i-PW-GW - so that's not unheard of. If you look at the specs from shaft manufacturers, they often stop at a 9i length, and that shaft is used for any and all wedges - if the buyer isn't getting wedge specific shafts.

The title is unfair given you haven't shared what Mizuno's response was...

  

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Not excusing this at all but I tend to doubt the change was having that much of an effect of flight. I would, however, double check lies as my MP-20s came in (I ordered 2* upright) with standard lies. But the T20 47* I ordered was correct. I've never really had issues before this set with them.

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My QC issue with Mizuno was on loft/lie. I ordered std lofts and 2 degrees upright. All lofts were off basically by 1 degree, but lie angle was all over the map. Crazy!

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4 minutes ago, Billy-Bo-Jim-Bob said:

My QC issue with Mizuno was on loft/lie. I ordered std lofts and 2 degrees upright. All lofts were off basically by 1 degree, but lie angle was all over the map. Crazy!

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That’s within manufacturer tolerances for pretty much every company. 

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3 minutes ago, RickyBobby_PR said:

That’s within manufacturer tolerances for pretty much every company. 

Understood...would be nice if Mizuno would send a QC sheet w the iron delivery showing what the measured specs are post-build for custom orders. Makes me question if they are doing QC post-build. 

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15 minutes ago, RickyBobby_PR said:

That’s within manufacturer tolerances for pretty much every company. 

And you have to consider the calibration of the loft/lie machine too.   The 7 iron does seem to be out of a normal tolerance for lie angle.  

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18 minutes ago, Billy-Bo-Jim-Bob said:

Understood...would be nice if Mizuno would send a QC sheet w the iron delivery showing what the measured specs are post-build for custom orders. Makes me question if they are doing QC post-build. 

I don’t know if any company that sends a qc sheet. I would be surprised if they weren’t doing any qc despite the large volume of orders they have like everyone else right now but the purpose of tolerances is that if they put it on a machine and it’s within the specs typically 2-3* for loft and lie then they are going to ship it and not adjust for it.

5 minutes ago, cnosil said:

And you have to consider the calibration of the loft/lie machine too.   The 7 iron does seem to be out of a normal tolerance for lie angle.  

Yeah based on what most companies have for tolerance it’s .5 outside of the 2-3* tolerance

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4 minutes ago, RickyBobby_PR said:

Yeah based on what most companies have for tolerance it’s .5 outside of the 2-3* tolerance

At 5.5* off it is 2.5* outside of tolerances.  

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10 minutes ago, RickyBobby_PR said:

I don’t know if any company that sends a qc sheet. I would be surprised if they weren’t doing any qc despite the large volume of orders they have like everyone else right now but the purpose of tolerances is that if they put it on a machine and it’s within the specs typically 2-3* for loft and lie then they are going to ship it and not adjust for it.

Yeah based on what most companies have for tolerance it’s .5 outside of the 2-3* tolerance

I still have a QC sheet from Titleist when I ordered the 990's back in 2000. Was signed by a QC staff and included pen markings on each loft/lie checked and handwritten swingweight for each iron. Going forward, will make sure I get orders shipped to retailer where I bought them and have them check before I take 'em home = peace or mind 🙂

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... I have not visited Mizuno's plant but did visit the Tour Edge plant in the Chicago suburbs. They have an interesting inventory control feature where every club is build one at a time. If buying a full set, each piece is picked out and put in a cart for assembly. They use a hand held device that reads the bar code and gives a green light if correct or red light if incorrect. If the light is red they can't go to another piece until the light turns green for the right piece. So if a pw shaft is needed and they try and use an 8 iron shaft the light will be red and the device frozen until it reads the correct pw shaft in the right flex and style so even choosing a Modus 105 instead of a Modus 950GH will produce a red light. It is as close to a full proof system as you can get. 

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26 minutes ago, cnosil said:

At 5.5* off it is 2.5* outside of tolerances.  

From an order standpoint yes but what people don’t realize is that most companies will try to meet customized specs and don’t guarantee them, especially in this current time of volume and short staffing. While it sux that’s how things are currently.

The 58 is only 3.5* off standard lie. 

16 minutes ago, Billy-Bo-Jim-Bob said:

I still have a QC sheet from Titleist when I ordered the 990's back in 2000. Was signed by a QC staff and included pen markings on each loft/lie checked and handwritten swingweight for each iron. Going forward, will make sure I get orders shipped to retailer where I bought them and have them check before I take 'em home = peace or mind 🙂

Comparing what a company did 21 years ago to what happens now doesn’t make sense. I’ve order directly from brands like titleist, Pxg, TaylorMade, mizuno and Srixon and have never received a qc sheet in the last 15 years.

Ordering thru a retailer or small pro shop and having them checked is what pretty much everyone recommends people do. 
 

I don’t get mine checked immediately unless I see something is drastically off like I had happen with my sm7 50 and 54. Which were both weaker by 2 and 2.5*

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Mizuno QC at about the 6 minute mark...1*tolerance 

 

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5 minutes ago, Billy-Bo-Jim-Bob said:

Mizuno QC at about the 6 minute mark...1*tolerance 

 

How does you loft lie machine compare to theirs?   There is a tolerance for the machines as well. If yours reads 1 degree flat and theirs 1 degree upright there is a 2 degree difference.    Not saying that they shouldn’t meet your specs but there are a lot of tolerances to deal with.  

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49 minutes ago, cnosil said:

How does you loft lie machine compare to theirs?   There is a tolerance for the machines as well. If yours reads 1 degree flat and theirs 1 degree upright there is a 2 degree difference.    Not saying that they shouldn’t meet your specs but there are a lot of tolerances to deal with.  

If the loft/lie machine is properly secured and installed on a level surface there should be no "tolerance".  An angle is an angle.  If a loft/lie machine is off it's user error.  Either from being installed incorrectly or not securing the club in the machine correctly.  

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15 minutes ago, CRW said:

If the loft/lie machine is properly secured and installed on a level surface there should be no "tolerance".  An angle is an angle.  If a loft/lie machine is off it's user error.  Either from being installed incorrectly or not securing the club in the machine correctly.  

 

... Fwiw, most loft lie machines do not have a slot or any other device to make sure every iron is secured in an identical fashion. I am very meticulous and use a Mitchel Tour LL Machine but I can routinely get a different reading on the same club when I bend a set, then after I am done go back and double check every iron. Being off 1* is pretty normal and I make adjustments. While you are correct and an angle is an angle, it is not an exact science and 2 different LL Machines can easily give you 2 different readings because they do not secure the head the same from machine to machine let alone the first or second time installing the same head in the same machine. 

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