Lenge13 Posted August 6, 2021 Share Posted August 6, 2021 Hey fellow MyGolfSpyers! I wanted to share a quick story from a longtime golfing friend of mine. He recently got fitted earlier this year for new Mizuno JPX 921 Tour irons with KBS C Taper Lite shafts. He waited (like everyone this year) quite a long time to finally get his clubs, but his gap wedge came even later. Finally after a total of 12 weeks, he got his gap wedge sent to him. The last few weeks he felt like his gap wedge was going right, too high, etc...something felt wrong. He went back to his fitter and the launch monitor even showed odd numbers. When he removed the grip (picture shown), it appears Mizuno had cut down an 8 iron shaft for his gap wedge! You can see clearly in the picture its a KBS shaft listed for an 8 iron, from my understanding KBS makes a shaft specifically for each club. I share this as a free warning to carefully inspect your new clubs that you order! Factory mistake or not....definitely not what he expected to get from a company like Mizuno! Thanks for reading! Now go hit'um straight!! BallsLeon and vamosjackets 2 Quote Driver: TSi3 Mitsubishi AV Raw White 65g Stiff 3 Wood: King F9 Speedback Hzrdus Smoke X-Stiff Hybrid: 816H2 3H Irons: 699 Combo: 4 & 5 699, 6-AW 699 Pros S300 Stiff Wedges: 286 Forged 54 & 58 Putter: Tank 7 Ball: Z-Star Link to comment
03trdblack Posted August 6, 2021 Share Posted August 6, 2021 Yep, probably couldn't get the gap wedge shaft from KBS so they made a "spinner" shaft buy putting in an 8 iron shaft. I'm sure they expected that no one would know the difference. That's 100% why I build all my own stuff, can't trust anyone else to do it right. vamosjackets and Lenge13 2 Quote My bag is a revolving door! Link to comment
cnosil Posted August 6, 2021 Share Posted August 6, 2021 You didn’t say if this was Mizuno that did this or the fitter/club builder. 8 irons as a wedge shaft isnt necessarily “wrong” and has even been suggested by KBS as as good wedge shaft option. That said, the shaft selection should have been communicated especially if it was different than what was ordered. russtopherb, bens197, mackdaddy and 5 others 8 Quote Driver: G400 Max 9* w/ KBS Tour Driven Fairway: TS3 15* w/Project X Hzardous Smoke Hybrids: 915H 21* w/KBS Tour Graphite Hybrid Prototype 915H 24* w/KBS Tour Graphite Hybrid Prototype Irons: TR20V 6-11 w/Vizard TR20-85 Graphite Wedge: 54/12D, 60/8M w/:Accra iWedge 90 Graphite Putter: TM-180 Testing: Backups: Milled Collection RSX 2, mFGP2, Futura 5W Member: MGS Hitsquad since 2017 Link to comment
PMookie Posted August 6, 2021 Share Posted August 6, 2021 My current Edel wedges were built with 8 iron shafts. bens197 and TR1PTIK 2 Quote Driver: Ping G430 Max 9*, Ping Tour 70X Fairway: Ping G425 15*, Ping Tour 70X Hybrid: Ping G425 22*, Ping Tour 80X Irons: Ping i230 4-GW, TT DG X100 Wedges: SMS 50D/54V/58DModus 130 stiff, +1” Putter: EAS 1.0 Ball: Titleist 2023 AVX Link to comment
RickyBobby_PR Posted August 6, 2021 Share Posted August 6, 2021 10 hours ago, cnosil said: You didn’t say if this was Mizuno that did this or the fitter/club builder. 8 irons as a wedge shaft isnt necessarily “wrong” and has even been suggested by KBS as as good wedge shaft option. That said, the shaft selection should have been communicated especially if it was different than what was ordered. And have seen 9i shafts in pw. Agree there’s some details being left out here and maybe a little over hyped title TR1PTIK and kmoneill9 2 Quote Driver: PXG 0811 X+ Proto w/UST Helium 5F4 Wood: TaylorMade M5 5W w/Accra TZ5 +1/2”, TaylorMade Sim 3W w/Aldila rogue white Hybrid: PXG Gen2 22* w/AD hybrid Irons: PXG Gen3 0311T w/Nippon modus 120 Wedges: TaylorMade MG2 50*, Tiger grind 56/60 Putter: Scotty Caemeron Super Rat1 Ball: Titleist Prov1 Link to comment
Lenge13 Posted August 6, 2021 Author Share Posted August 6, 2021 Appreciate the updates and insights here! (Why I wanted to ask about other build “issues”) These were ordered directly from the Mizuno and their factory, the fitter was shocked as much as my buddy seeing the 8i shaft in there (or at least the fitter acted that way). The fitter called his Mizuno sales rep to get it corrected, so he is not building them. Quote Driver: TSi3 Mitsubishi AV Raw White 65g Stiff 3 Wood: King F9 Speedback Hzrdus Smoke X-Stiff Hybrid: 816H2 3H Irons: 699 Combo: 4 & 5 699, 6-AW 699 Pros S300 Stiff Wedges: 286 Forged 54 & 58 Putter: Tank 7 Ball: Z-Star Link to comment
Golfspy_CG2 Posted August 6, 2021 Share Posted August 6, 2021 I will say Mizuno has had quality issues you don't normally see from them. I ordered a ST_Z Driver for a customer with a 5.5 Evenflow shaft, he has a 92 mph swing. The club came and he took it straight from the box to the course without really looking at anything--he's not a club nerd..ha. He came in to me the next day and said he thought something was wrong, and asked if this shaft was the correct one. I looked at it and it was an XS at 85G. I mean this thng was a piece of rebar. I said, I bet you were hitting everything low and right? He said, "oh my gosh, how did you know" LOL I told him who this shaft was meant for and he asked how that could happen Nolan220, cnosil, ChitownM2 and 3 others 6 Quote G430 Max 10K TSiR1 15.0 Aldlia Ascent 60g TSR2 18.0 PX Aldila Ascent 6og TSi1 20 Aldila Ascent Shafts R T350 5-GW SteelFiber I80 SM10 48F/54M and58K S159 48S/52S/56W/60B Select 5.5 Flowback 35" ProV1 Play number 12 Link to comment
dlow206 Posted August 6, 2021 Share Posted August 6, 2021 6 minutes ago, Golfspy_CG2 said: I will say Mizuno has had quality issues you don't normally see from them. I ordered a ST_Z Driver for a customer with a 5.5 Evenflow shaft, he has a 92 mph swing. The club came and he took it straight from the box to the course without really looking at anything--he's not a club nerd..ha. He came in to me the next day and said he thought something was wrong, and asked if this shaft was the correct one. I looked at it and it was an XS at 85G. I mean this thng was a piece of rebar. I said, I bet you were hitting everything low and right? He said, "oh my gosh, how did you know" LOL I told him who this shaft was meant for and he asked how that could happen 85 gram XS shaft in a driver is meant for no one... ... except @Chip Strokes Nolan220, cnosil, Chip Strokes and 4 others 1 6 Quote Follow my golf journey to break into the 80s Tester for the Titleist TSi Driver Spring 2020 MGS Tester for the Fujikura Motore X Shaft Updated 07/15/2022 Driver: Rogue St Max LS - Autoflex Fairway Woods: Rogue Max St 3HL and 7 Wood Irons: JPX 921 Hot Metal 5 to AW - Aerotech Steelfiber i95 Stiff parallel tip Wedges: Glide 4.0 54 and 58 Putter: PLD Custom Kushin 4 Link to comment
fixyurdivot Posted August 6, 2021 Share Posted August 6, 2021 11 hours ago, cnosil said: You didn’t say if this was Mizuno that did this or the fitter/club builder. 8 irons as a wedge shaft isnt necessarily “wrong” and has even been suggested by KBS as as good wedge shaft option. That said, the shaft selection should have been communicated especially if it was different than what was ordered. This. Just let the customer know about it as I suspect the vast majority, having heard directly from the OEM, would be fine with the change/option. It's otherwise viewed as a "hey, you tried to slip something past me", leaving one to wonder what else might not be as expected. TR1PTIK, Lenge13, RollingGreens and 1 other 4 Quote G410 Plus, 9 Degree Driver G400 SFT, 16 Degree 3w G400 SFT, 19 Degree 5w ZX5 Irons 4-AW Glide 2.0 56 Degree SW (removed from double secret probation ) ER5v Putter (Evnroll ER5v Official Review) AI-One Milled Seven T CH (Currently Under Product Test) Link to comment
Lenge13 Posted August 6, 2021 Author Share Posted August 6, 2021 25 minutes ago, fixyurdivot said: This. Just let the customer know about it as I suspect the vast majority, having heard directly from the OEM, would be fine with the change/option. It's otherwise viewed as a "hey, you tried to slip something past me", leaving one to wonder what else might not be as expected. Exactly! and not what he ordered or was fitted for either. He could tell when the gap wedge was ballooning like a 60 degree wedge. Nolan220 and TR1PTIK 2 Quote Driver: TSi3 Mitsubishi AV Raw White 65g Stiff 3 Wood: King F9 Speedback Hzrdus Smoke X-Stiff Hybrid: 816H2 3H Irons: 699 Combo: 4 & 5 699, 6-AW 699 Pros S300 Stiff Wedges: 286 Forged 54 & 58 Putter: Tank 7 Ball: Z-Star Link to comment
RickyBobby_PR Posted August 6, 2021 Share Posted August 6, 2021 28 minutes ago, Lenge13 said: Exactly! and not what he ordered or was fitted for either. He could tell when the gap wedge was ballooning like a 60 degree wedge. It’s not like Mizuno purposely tried to sneak something by. 1) mistakes happen 2) in the current climate it’s even more likely. The chances of any ill intent by Mizuno are slim silver & black, RollingGreens, TheProfessor and 2 others 5 Quote Driver: PXG 0811 X+ Proto w/UST Helium 5F4 Wood: TaylorMade M5 5W w/Accra TZ5 +1/2”, TaylorMade Sim 3W w/Aldila rogue white Hybrid: PXG Gen2 22* w/AD hybrid Irons: PXG Gen3 0311T w/Nippon modus 120 Wedges: TaylorMade MG2 50*, Tiger grind 56/60 Putter: Scotty Caemeron Super Rat1 Ball: Titleist Prov1 Link to comment
TBS Posted August 6, 2021 Share Posted August 6, 2021 Noob question - I was under the impression most iron shafts are similar shafts that are tipped and butt trimmed at different lengths to get desired shaft/characteristics for each individual iron. But it sounds like OEMs like KBS creates specific shafts for each iron? Mtbryant01 1 Quote M6 12* Oban Kiyoshi Purple 65g stiff TS2 16.5* HL Oban Kiyoshi Purple 75g stiff G410 Hybrid 19* Tour stiff i210 KBS tour stiff 4-GW 54* RTX Zipcore 58* glide 3.0 TP Black Copper Juno 34in Oncore elixr or Snell MTBx Link to comment
ChitownM2 Posted August 6, 2021 Share Posted August 6, 2021 31 minutes ago, TBS said: Noob question - I was under the impression most iron shafts are similar shafts that are tipped and butt trimmed at different lengths to get desired shaft/characteristics for each individual iron. But it sounds like OEMs like KBS creates specific shafts for each iron? 0.370" Parallel tip shafts are tip and butt cut to different specs for each iron but each shaft is manufactured exactly the same. I don't have good numbers, but I'd say that less than half of all irons out there actually use parallel tip shafts. Most use 0.355" taper tip shafts and since they taper over the full length (no parallel section) you can't tip trim them and have them fit properly in the hosel. Thus each shaft has to be manufactured differently depending on what club it is going into so that you get the flight you want while still maintaining the same diameter at the tip. You can also mess with the ball flight and feel by using a shaft meant for a different iron (ie a 7 iron shaft into an 8 iron). This would be hard stepping or soft stepping depending on which way you go. TBS and Kansas King 2 Quote Link to comment
DPattGolf Posted August 6, 2021 Share Posted August 6, 2021 1 hour ago, dlow206 said: 85 gram XS shaft in a driver is meant for no one... ... except @Chip Strokes I mean I wasn't tagged but I feel like I'm being singled out right now Chip Strokes, dlow206 and tommc23 1 2 Quote * Staff Professional* Driver: Stealth Plus+ (7.25*) - Fujikura Ventus Black 6X Tipped 1" 3 Wood: Stealth Plus+ (14.25*) - Fujikura Ventus Blue 7x Tipped 1" Driving Iron: P790 UDI 2 iron - HZRDUS Smoke Black RDX 100 6.5 4 Iron: P790 - KBS C-Taper 130 X Irons (5-7) P7MC - KBS C-Taper 130 X Irons (8-P) P7MB - KBS C-Taper 130 X Wedges: MG3 Black 50.09 / 55.11 - KBS TOUR FLT 130 X 60* Wedge: High Toe Raw - KBS Tour 130 X Putter: Custom Black ER2 or Custom Black Del Monte Bag: FlexTech Stand Bag Glove: Tour Preferred Glove Ball: TP5X #11 RangeFinder: R1 Smart Rangefinder Instagram: @dpattgolf Link to comment
RollingGreens Posted August 6, 2021 Share Posted August 6, 2021 I can only speak to my recent experience with mixing and my irons. I purchased the JPX 921 hot metals and white it took longer that I wanted they were built to spec. The wait time was par for the course for this year. I highly doubt mixing is the only one with problems. I have a friend whose TM sim irons are coming apart with the epoxy going bad. Mistakes happen, I imagined just like every other industry they are extremely short staffed and busy cnosil, Joe-in-OR and TR1PTIK 3 Quote Stealth 2 Plus 9deg Kai' li Red Stealth 2 13deg Aldilla Rogue Silver Stealth 2 15deg Aldilla Rogue Silver JPX 921 Hot Metal 4-PW Nippon Modus 120s SM8 54 and 58deg Dynamic Gold Wedge Flex Scotty Cameron Newport 2 Titleist ProV1 Hoofer Stand Bag Stewart Q Follow Electric Caddie 300 PRO Rangefinder Official Nippon Regio B+ Driver Shaft Review Official Stewart Q Follow Review Link to comment
Middler Posted August 6, 2021 Share Posted August 6, 2021 To be fair, maybe tell us what Mizuno said in response? I've had nothing but great experiences with Mizuno myself. And when I had my irons reshafted this Spring, the club maker ordered 39.5" 4i, 39" 5i, 38.5" 6i, 38" 7i, 37.5" 8i and 3x37" 9i-PW-GW - so that's not unheard of. If you look at the specs from shaft manufacturers, they often stop at a 9i length, and that shaft is used for any and all wedges - if the buyer isn't getting wedge specific shafts. The title is unfair given you haven't shared what Mizuno's response was... tony@CIC 1 Quote Titleist TSR2 11° HZRDUS Red CB 50 6.0 w Lamkin UTx Midsize Titleist TSR2 16.5º HZRDUS Red 60 CB 6.0 & TSR2 21º HZRDUS Black 4G 70 6.0 w Lamkin UTx Midsize Mizuno JPX923 HMP 4-GW, T22 54.12WS, T22 58.04DC w Lamkin ST+2 Hybrid Midsize Evnroll EV5.3 Maxfli Tour & ProV1 Ping Pioneer - MGI Zip Navigator AT Payntr X 002 LE, Ecco Biom C4, FJ DryJoys Link to comment
TheProfessor Posted August 6, 2021 Share Posted August 6, 2021 Not excusing this at all but I tend to doubt the change was having that much of an effect of flight. I would, however, double check lies as my MP-20s came in (I ordered 2* upright) with standard lies. But the T20 47* I ordered was correct. I've never really had issues before this set with them. Quote 917 D3 9.5* Kiyoshi Black 65-05 917 F3 15* VA Drago 75-X 818 H2 19* Ventus Black 10-TX MP-20 MB 3-9 PX 6.5, T20 47* PX 6.5 SM7 54-10S/60-08M PX 6.5/6.0 Scotty Cameron Special Select Squareback 2 Link to comment
Billy-Bo-Jim-Bob Posted October 22, 2021 Share Posted October 22, 2021 My QC issue with Mizuno was on loft/lie. I ordered std lofts and 2 degrees upright. All lofts were off basically by 1 degree, but lie angle was all over the map. Crazy! Quote Driver - Titleist TSi3 9.0 (Hzrdus Smoke Black RDX 6.0) 3 wood - TaylorMade SIM2 Ti 15 (Ventus Blue 7S) 5 wood - TaylorMade SIM2 Ti 19 (Ventus Blue 7S) Irons - Titleist T100s 4-PW + 49 (KBS $-Taper) Wedges - Titleist Vokey SM9 54D (KBS 610) & 58M (KBS 610) Putter - Titleist Scotty Cameron - Phantom X 11.5 Ball - Titleist Pro V1 & Taylormade Tour Response (Blue/Pink Stripe) Link to comment
RickyBobby_PR Posted October 22, 2021 Share Posted October 22, 2021 4 minutes ago, Billy-Bo-Jim-Bob said: My QC issue with Mizuno was on loft/lie. I ordered std lofts and 2 degrees upright. All lofts were off basically by 1 degree, but lie angle was all over the map. Crazy! That’s within manufacturer tolerances for pretty much every company. Quote Driver: PXG 0811 X+ Proto w/UST Helium 5F4 Wood: TaylorMade M5 5W w/Accra TZ5 +1/2”, TaylorMade Sim 3W w/Aldila rogue white Hybrid: PXG Gen2 22* w/AD hybrid Irons: PXG Gen3 0311T w/Nippon modus 120 Wedges: TaylorMade MG2 50*, Tiger grind 56/60 Putter: Scotty Caemeron Super Rat1 Ball: Titleist Prov1 Link to comment
Billy-Bo-Jim-Bob Posted October 22, 2021 Share Posted October 22, 2021 3 minutes ago, RickyBobby_PR said: That’s within manufacturer tolerances for pretty much every company. Understood...would be nice if Mizuno would send a QC sheet w the iron delivery showing what the measured specs are post-build for custom orders. Makes me question if they are doing QC post-build. Quote Driver - Titleist TSi3 9.0 (Hzrdus Smoke Black RDX 6.0) 3 wood - TaylorMade SIM2 Ti 15 (Ventus Blue 7S) 5 wood - TaylorMade SIM2 Ti 19 (Ventus Blue 7S) Irons - Titleist T100s 4-PW + 49 (KBS $-Taper) Wedges - Titleist Vokey SM9 54D (KBS 610) & 58M (KBS 610) Putter - Titleist Scotty Cameron - Phantom X 11.5 Ball - Titleist Pro V1 & Taylormade Tour Response (Blue/Pink Stripe) Link to comment
cnosil Posted October 22, 2021 Share Posted October 22, 2021 15 minutes ago, RickyBobby_PR said: That’s within manufacturer tolerances for pretty much every company. And you have to consider the calibration of the loft/lie machine too. The 7 iron does seem to be out of a normal tolerance for lie angle. Quote Driver: G400 Max 9* w/ KBS Tour Driven Fairway: TS3 15* w/Project X Hzardous Smoke Hybrids: 915H 21* w/KBS Tour Graphite Hybrid Prototype 915H 24* w/KBS Tour Graphite Hybrid Prototype Irons: TR20V 6-11 w/Vizard TR20-85 Graphite Wedge: 54/12D, 60/8M w/:Accra iWedge 90 Graphite Putter: TM-180 Testing: Backups: Milled Collection RSX 2, mFGP2, Futura 5W Member: MGS Hitsquad since 2017 Link to comment
RickyBobby_PR Posted October 22, 2021 Share Posted October 22, 2021 18 minutes ago, Billy-Bo-Jim-Bob said: Understood...would be nice if Mizuno would send a QC sheet w the iron delivery showing what the measured specs are post-build for custom orders. Makes me question if they are doing QC post-build. I don’t know if any company that sends a qc sheet. I would be surprised if they weren’t doing any qc despite the large volume of orders they have like everyone else right now but the purpose of tolerances is that if they put it on a machine and it’s within the specs typically 2-3* for loft and lie then they are going to ship it and not adjust for it. 5 minutes ago, cnosil said: And you have to consider the calibration of the loft/lie machine too. The 7 iron does seem to be out of a normal tolerance for lie angle. Yeah based on what most companies have for tolerance it’s .5 outside of the 2-3* tolerance Quote Driver: PXG 0811 X+ Proto w/UST Helium 5F4 Wood: TaylorMade M5 5W w/Accra TZ5 +1/2”, TaylorMade Sim 3W w/Aldila rogue white Hybrid: PXG Gen2 22* w/AD hybrid Irons: PXG Gen3 0311T w/Nippon modus 120 Wedges: TaylorMade MG2 50*, Tiger grind 56/60 Putter: Scotty Caemeron Super Rat1 Ball: Titleist Prov1 Link to comment
cnosil Posted October 22, 2021 Share Posted October 22, 2021 4 minutes ago, RickyBobby_PR said: Yeah based on what most companies have for tolerance it’s .5 outside of the 2-3* tolerance At 5.5* off it is 2.5* outside of tolerances. Quote Driver: G400 Max 9* w/ KBS Tour Driven Fairway: TS3 15* w/Project X Hzardous Smoke Hybrids: 915H 21* w/KBS Tour Graphite Hybrid Prototype 915H 24* w/KBS Tour Graphite Hybrid Prototype Irons: TR20V 6-11 w/Vizard TR20-85 Graphite Wedge: 54/12D, 60/8M w/:Accra iWedge 90 Graphite Putter: TM-180 Testing: Backups: Milled Collection RSX 2, mFGP2, Futura 5W Member: MGS Hitsquad since 2017 Link to comment
Billy-Bo-Jim-Bob Posted October 22, 2021 Share Posted October 22, 2021 10 minutes ago, RickyBobby_PR said: I don’t know if any company that sends a qc sheet. I would be surprised if they weren’t doing any qc despite the large volume of orders they have like everyone else right now but the purpose of tolerances is that if they put it on a machine and it’s within the specs typically 2-3* for loft and lie then they are going to ship it and not adjust for it. Yeah based on what most companies have for tolerance it’s .5 outside of the 2-3* tolerance I still have a QC sheet from Titleist when I ordered the 990's back in 2000. Was signed by a QC staff and included pen markings on each loft/lie checked and handwritten swingweight for each iron. Going forward, will make sure I get orders shipped to retailer where I bought them and have them check before I take 'em home = peace or mind Quote Driver - Titleist TSi3 9.0 (Hzrdus Smoke Black RDX 6.0) 3 wood - TaylorMade SIM2 Ti 15 (Ventus Blue 7S) 5 wood - TaylorMade SIM2 Ti 19 (Ventus Blue 7S) Irons - Titleist T100s 4-PW + 49 (KBS $-Taper) Wedges - Titleist Vokey SM9 54D (KBS 610) & 58M (KBS 610) Putter - Titleist Scotty Cameron - Phantom X 11.5 Ball - Titleist Pro V1 & Taylormade Tour Response (Blue/Pink Stripe) Link to comment
chisag Posted October 22, 2021 Share Posted October 22, 2021 ... I have not visited Mizuno's plant but did visit the Tour Edge plant in the Chicago suburbs. They have an interesting inventory control feature where every club is build one at a time. If buying a full set, each piece is picked out and put in a cart for assembly. They use a hand held device that reads the bar code and gives a green light if correct or red light if incorrect. If the light is red they can't go to another piece until the light turns green for the right piece. So if a pw shaft is needed and they try and use an 8 iron shaft the light will be red and the device frozen until it reads the correct pw shaft in the right flex and style so even choosing a Modus 105 instead of a Modus 950GH will produce a red light. It is as close to a full proof system as you can get. Quote Driver: Qi10 10.5* ... Ventus Red Velocore 5R Fairway: Aerojet 3/5 ... Kai'li Blue 60R Hybrids: 430 Hybrid 22*... Steelfiber 780Hy DHy #4 ... Diamana LTD 65r Irons: '23 T200 5-Pw ... Steelfiber i95r Wedges: Vokey 50*/54*/58* ... Steelfiber i95r Putter: Sport-60 33" Ball: Maxfli Maxfli Tour Link to comment
RickyBobby_PR Posted October 22, 2021 Share Posted October 22, 2021 26 minutes ago, cnosil said: At 5.5* off it is 2.5* outside of tolerances. From an order standpoint yes but what people don’t realize is that most companies will try to meet customized specs and don’t guarantee them, especially in this current time of volume and short staffing. While it sux that’s how things are currently. The 58 is only 3.5* off standard lie. 16 minutes ago, Billy-Bo-Jim-Bob said: I still have a QC sheet from Titleist when I ordered the 990's back in 2000. Was signed by a QC staff and included pen markings on each loft/lie checked and handwritten swingweight for each iron. Going forward, will make sure I get orders shipped to retailer where I bought them and have them check before I take 'em home = peace or mind Comparing what a company did 21 years ago to what happens now doesn’t make sense. I’ve order directly from brands like titleist, Pxg, TaylorMade, mizuno and Srixon and have never received a qc sheet in the last 15 years. Ordering thru a retailer or small pro shop and having them checked is what pretty much everyone recommends people do. I don’t get mine checked immediately unless I see something is drastically off like I had happen with my sm7 50 and 54. Which were both weaker by 2 and 2.5* Quote Driver: PXG 0811 X+ Proto w/UST Helium 5F4 Wood: TaylorMade M5 5W w/Accra TZ5 +1/2”, TaylorMade Sim 3W w/Aldila rogue white Hybrid: PXG Gen2 22* w/AD hybrid Irons: PXG Gen3 0311T w/Nippon modus 120 Wedges: TaylorMade MG2 50*, Tiger grind 56/60 Putter: Scotty Caemeron Super Rat1 Ball: Titleist Prov1 Link to comment
Billy-Bo-Jim-Bob Posted October 22, 2021 Share Posted October 22, 2021 Mizuno QC at about the 6 minute mark...1*tolerance Quote Driver - Titleist TSi3 9.0 (Hzrdus Smoke Black RDX 6.0) 3 wood - TaylorMade SIM2 Ti 15 (Ventus Blue 7S) 5 wood - TaylorMade SIM2 Ti 19 (Ventus Blue 7S) Irons - Titleist T100s 4-PW + 49 (KBS $-Taper) Wedges - Titleist Vokey SM9 54D (KBS 610) & 58M (KBS 610) Putter - Titleist Scotty Cameron - Phantom X 11.5 Ball - Titleist Pro V1 & Taylormade Tour Response (Blue/Pink Stripe) Link to comment
cnosil Posted October 22, 2021 Share Posted October 22, 2021 5 minutes ago, Billy-Bo-Jim-Bob said: Mizuno QC at about the 6 minute mark...1*tolerance How does you loft lie machine compare to theirs? There is a tolerance for the machines as well. If yours reads 1 degree flat and theirs 1 degree upright there is a 2 degree difference. Not saying that they shouldn’t meet your specs but there are a lot of tolerances to deal with. Billy-Bo-Jim-Bob and chisag 1 1 Quote Driver: G400 Max 9* w/ KBS Tour Driven Fairway: TS3 15* w/Project X Hzardous Smoke Hybrids: 915H 21* w/KBS Tour Graphite Hybrid Prototype 915H 24* w/KBS Tour Graphite Hybrid Prototype Irons: TR20V 6-11 w/Vizard TR20-85 Graphite Wedge: 54/12D, 60/8M w/:Accra iWedge 90 Graphite Putter: TM-180 Testing: Backups: Milled Collection RSX 2, mFGP2, Futura 5W Member: MGS Hitsquad since 2017 Link to comment
CRW Posted October 22, 2021 Share Posted October 22, 2021 49 minutes ago, cnosil said: How does you loft lie machine compare to theirs? There is a tolerance for the machines as well. If yours reads 1 degree flat and theirs 1 degree upright there is a 2 degree difference. Not saying that they shouldn’t meet your specs but there are a lot of tolerances to deal with. If the loft/lie machine is properly secured and installed on a level surface there should be no "tolerance". An angle is an angle. If a loft/lie machine is off it's user error. Either from being installed incorrectly or not securing the club in the machine correctly. Quote Ogio Woode 8 Hybrid Stand Bag PXG 0811 X Gen4 @ 6* - Fujikura Motore X F3 7X PXG 0211 @ 13.5* - Fujikura Motore X F1 8X PXG 0311 XP Gen3 3i-PW - PX LZ 6.5 PXG 0311 Forged 54/60 - PX LZ 6.5 Scotty Cameron Special Select Newport 2 Link to comment
chisag Posted October 22, 2021 Share Posted October 22, 2021 15 minutes ago, CRW said: If the loft/lie machine is properly secured and installed on a level surface there should be no "tolerance". An angle is an angle. If a loft/lie machine is off it's user error. Either from being installed incorrectly or not securing the club in the machine correctly. ... Fwiw, most loft lie machines do not have a slot or any other device to make sure every iron is secured in an identical fashion. I am very meticulous and use a Mitchel Tour LL Machine but I can routinely get a different reading on the same club when I bend a set, then after I am done go back and double check every iron. Being off 1* is pretty normal and I make adjustments. While you are correct and an angle is an angle, it is not an exact science and 2 different LL Machines can easily give you 2 different readings because they do not secure the head the same from machine to machine let alone the first or second time installing the same head in the same machine. bens197 and cnosil 2 Quote Driver: Qi10 10.5* ... Ventus Red Velocore 5R Fairway: Aerojet 3/5 ... Kai'li Blue 60R Hybrids: 430 Hybrid 22*... Steelfiber 780Hy DHy #4 ... Diamana LTD 65r Irons: '23 T200 5-Pw ... Steelfiber i95r Wedges: Vokey 50*/54*/58* ... Steelfiber i95r Putter: Sport-60 33" Ball: Maxfli Maxfli Tour Link to comment
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