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41 minutes ago, chisag said:

 

... Others have already commented on a fitting is only as good as the person doing the fitting. And it is your money and your choice, but personally I would not blame the PGA SS for one bad fitter. I ordered a Sim2 Max with a Tensei Raw Blue shaft and was told it would be 4-6 weeks. 8 weeks later I went to the store and asked if they could look into why it is taking longer and understood there have been delays but maybe they could get a new ship date. They told me it was delivered via FedEx almost a full month ago. WTF?!?! I assured them it was not delivered. I am living in a gated apartment complex and checked with the office and not one delivery had ever been "stolen"or misplaced. This of course is not the PGA SS's problem and squarely on FedEx and TaylorMade but the SS went above and beyond by ordering a new Sim2 Max and requesting expediency shipped directly to the store. It arrived 5 days later ... with the wrong shaft!?!? 

... The manager called TM and told them he was exchanging a Tensei Blue shaft from a regular Sim2 in stock and they needed to send them a replacement shaft. I had also asked for the grip to be left in the box as I have my own Lamkin Hybrid ST2+  to install but of course the Tensei from the Sim2 had a stock TM grip. The manager took a new Lamkin Hybrid ST2+ from their stock and installed it for me and gave me the stock grip that came off the shaft. That kind of Customer Service is hard to come by but it has been a constant with the PGA SS in my experience. Ymmv ... 

all great points. Im trying to reconcile this in my head and finding another fitter to work with. They are few and far between in my area. 

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I agree with others commenting about ego, something i learned that must be put aside in order to get a proper fit as well. For years I played stiff shafts, all DG s300, in different brands of irons, and was a 6 HC. My problem was the dispersion. I broke down and got fitted using my irons (Mizuno MP 59) by a Mizuno rep. After hitting countless balls and shafts, the issue I had was loading the shaft. Even though I swing my 6I at 91 MPH my tempo is moderate and therefore i load the shaft later in the swing. I went from using an S300 to a NS Pro 1050GH R+ shaft. I became more consistent with my irons after the switch

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I would cancel the order if you aren't happy with the fitting.  The worst case is that you end up changing your mind and order again.  The only real harm is possibly waiting longer for the clubs, but if that delay is going to prevent you from questioning the clubs you receive it is well worth it.  

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What clubs/irons were you looking at? If you're going to be fitted, it is good to have a baseline. I was fitted a few years back for Mizuno 900 HotMetal irons, but had spent a lot of time finding a shaft that I liked, prior to my fitting. Mizuno does have a swing analyzer that gives a good baseline, as to a shaft and flex, to start with. I chose a shaft that wasn't in the top 5 (swing analyzer choices) but one I liked, and had had previously worked on. I'm a 5 handicap, 61 years old, and have a KBS Tour 90, Regular Flex shaft in my clubs. Don't get too heavy or stiff of shaft, try to avoid the ego getting in the way, or trying to swing what the Pro's use. You have to like, and feel comfortable, with what your choosing for a shaft. Also don't get fitted in the off season, when your swing is completely different.

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My two cents worth.  I have two fitters that I trust completely.  Both are certified and have over 25 years experience; one is a Titleist Product Specialist and the other by numerous manufacturers.  I trust them, I explain to them the results that I am looking for and let them do their job.   Both use Trackman and provide all the numbers that are needed to give me the best fitting in matching the right shafts and heads.  By knowing this upfront, there are no surprises or seconding guessing.  I learned from two bad fittings prior to getting with these guys many years ago.  Why two?  Both are in high demand and whichever I can get an appointment with.  I would go back and talk with the fitter and explain that you are satisfied and explain why.       

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On 8/6/2021 at 12:07 PM, Tsecor said:

Against my better judgement, i went to PGA SS for a "fitting" and walked away pissed off at the world.....

after an initial interview, we hit project X, KBS and Modus.......No DG's or any other model

I was fitted into the LZ 5.5 and we never tried the 6.5 or the 6.0 (6.0 was not part of the fitting studio)

while my numbers looked ok, i kinda thought we would try the GD 120 S300 or x100 to keep my ball flight down as I am a high launch player.....he said the PX is tip stiff and would keep the ball down......but from what i read the DG 120 line is a low launch shaft and low spin while the LZ is a mid profile....i questioned him on this and he said the DG feel is "too boardy" for me.....i never hit it.....

you guys have any thoughts on the DG S300 / X100 vs the PX lZ?

i do want a good feeling shaft but not at the expense of performance.....ill never go to PGA SS for anything other than hats and balls now...

I hate that you had a bad experience. I had a fitting at the PGASS (Atlanta) around 8 months ago and my experience was very good. Actually, the best fit irons I have played in 40 years.

Personally, I would go back and see the store manager. Have a calm conversation with him and I bet he would help try to solve your issue. Tell him that you placed a order, but have second thoughts on the shafts. I would bet that he would arrange for you to go through the fitting process again to confirm which shafts you need. You could probably change your original order if needed.

They are not in business to piss their customers off, they want to sell golf merchandise.

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On 8/16/2021 at 3:55 PM, Kocher Clamp said:

That 1.5 smash factor bothers me.

yea.....must be some of the thin shots factored in. I didnt see the numbers with the "crappy" strikes removed. obviously the ineffecient shots raised this a bit.

I saw a guy from 2nd swing golf with a 1.7 smash factor on some of his testing....

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10 hours ago, GaDawg said:

I hate that you had a bad experience. I had a fitting at the PGASS (Atlanta) around 8 months ago and my experience was very good. Actually, the best fit irons I have played in 40 years.

Personally, I would go back and see the store manager. Have a calm conversation with him and I bet he would help try to solve your issue. Tell him that you placed a order, but have second thoughts on the shafts. I would bet that he would arrange for you to go through the fitting process again to confirm which shafts you need. You could probably change your original order if needed.

They are not in business to piss their customers off, they want to sell golf merchandise.

im thinking of possibly doing this. will decide this week but have been procrastinating a bit wondering if the guy did his job with what i gave him to work with.....i probably hould have given him more feedback and allowed him to do his job better, but im not sure he was capable TBH.....im not sure....maaybe i handcuffed him too much during the interview? 

whatever the case is, i think im gonna call them up and see if we can redo it.....the more i think about it the more it makes sense

On 8/16/2021 at 5:05 PM, mark smith said:

What clubs/irons were you looking at? If you're going to be fitted, it is good to have a baseline. I was fitted a few years back for Mizuno 900 HotMetal irons, but had spent a lot of time finding a shaft that I liked, prior to my fitting. Mizuno does have a swing analyzer that gives a good baseline, as to a shaft and flex, to start with. I chose a shaft that wasn't in the top 5 (swing analyzer choices) but one I liked, and had had previously worked on. I'm a 5 handicap, 61 years old, and have a KBS Tour 90, Regular Flex shaft in my clubs. Don't get too heavy or stiff of shaft, try to avoid the ego getting in the way, or trying to swing what the Pro's use. You have to like, and feel comfortable, with what your choosing for a shaft. Also don't get fitted in the off season, when your swing is completely different.

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35 minutes ago, Tsecor said:

im thinking of possibly doing this. will decide this week but have been procrastinating a bit wondering if the guy did his job with what i gave him to work with.....i probably hould have given him more feedback and allowed him to do his job better, but im not sure he was capable TBH.....im not sure....maaybe i handcuffed him too much during the interview? 

Been reading your thread but do t think I have commented.  Here is my opinion based on everything I have been reading.  The bottom line is you have zero confidence in this fitting and the clubs that were recommended.   Whether they are the perfect clubs or not you have doubts and that will translate to how you perform on the course.  Bad shots won’t be because of you; they will be because of the fit and the clubs.   You need to have confidence in your equipment.  At this point I think you would be better picking up a set off the rack that you hit a few times on a launch monitor and you believe are the right clubs.   Golf has a big confidence factor associated with the clubs you play, and this set you ordered provides nothing.  

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14 minutes ago, cnosil said:

Been reading your thread but do t think I have commented.  Here is my opinion based on everything I have been reading.  The bottom line is you have zero confidence in this fitting and the clubs that were recommended.   Whether they are the perfect clubs or not you have doubts and that will translate to how you perform on the course.  Bad shots won’t be because of you; they will be because of the fit and the clubs.   You need to have confidence in your equipment.  At this point I think you would be better picking up a set off the rack that you hit a few times on a launch monitor and you believe are the right clubs.   Golf has a big confidence factor associated with the clubs you play, and this set you ordered provides nothing.  

definitely. With my game, confidence is everything......the thing that i struggle with is wondering if i would "adapt" to the clubs over a months time and will i get used to the equipment in my hands? I also wonder if fitting has ANY impact on scoring for me...I am an average player, not a great ball striker. I make up a lot of strokes with putting and my short game.....my weakness is long irons....if i am driving it well and scrambling well, i usally score well.  so im struggling with deciding if the fitting really would have a big impact on my overall game....will i use my new clubs, shoot a 78 and all of a sudden fall in love with them?   im not a golfer who can shoot in the 60's. so i have many thoughts going through my head.....

I am in the middle of fitting myself for a golf ball. I figured i should test every ball that i can this summer to find a piece of equipment that may have a bigger effect on my scoring. Since you hot a ball on every shot, in my head, i figure this may be the bigger "fitting" to worry about. Ive tried 7 different balls this summer and found a huge difference between premium balls on the course.....the most shocking being the Prov1x does NOT work for my game at all while the Prov1 is 100% better. ive tried the TM line (disappointing) and the Chromesoft is so much better than it gets credit for.....the prov1 is awesome....ive noticed a real scoring difference between balls. The V1x balloons for me, especially in the wind and causes me to hit longer clubs into the greens....

I just wonder if the iron fitting would have as big an impact or will i just adapt? 

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1 hour ago, Tsecor said:

definitely. With my game, confidence is everything......the thing that i struggle with is wondering if i would "adapt" to the clubs over a months time and will i get used to the equipment in my hands? I also wonder if fitting has ANY impact on scoring for me...I am an average player, not a great ball striker. I make up a lot of strokes with putting and my short game.....my weakness is long irons....if i am driving it well and scrambling well, i usally score well.  so im struggling with deciding if the fitting really would have a big impact on my overall game....will i use my new clubs, shoot a 78 and all of a sudden fall in love with them?   im not a golfer who can shoot in the 60's. so i have many thoughts going through my head.....

I am in the middle of fitting myself for a golf ball. I figured i should test every ball that i can this summer to find a piece of equipment that may have a bigger effect on my scoring. Since you hot a ball on every shot, in my head, i figure this may be the bigger "fitting" to worry about. Ive tried 7 different balls this summer and found a huge difference between premium balls on the course.....the most shocking being the Prov1x does NOT work for my game at all while the Prov1 is 100% better. ive tried the TM line (disappointing) and the Chromesoft is so much better than it gets credit for.....the prov1 is awesome....ive noticed a real scoring difference between balls. The V1x balloons for me, especially in the wind and causes me to hit longer clubs into the greens....

I just wonder if the iron fitting would have as big an impact or will i just adapt? 

 I don’t understand you use of the word “adapt”.  Adapt to them in what way?  Fitting will help you achieve the best launch conditions to give you the best chance to hit them well.   They will not fix bad swings and you still have to hit the ball in less than optimum conditions: less than max distance, environmental, hills, different ball flights, etc.   Fitted clubs will not magically make you score your best round.   Fitting, lessons, strategy are more about long term improvements and not shot by shot or round by round comparisons.  Your statements are about immediate narrow focused improvements and unless you see this you are searching for the next great fix.   You aren’t the only one, just read the what equipment am I thinking about thread.   🤣  The simple answer is you went to a professional club fitter that identified what configuration will provide you with good results;  going to another fitter could get you completely different results, so accept that that configuration will work and put the work in to improve your game.  The only thing you adapt to is the new input you get from the clubs and not trying to change you swing to get the “old” feels back.   It is kind of like lessons new things feel different and you aren’t adapting, you are ingraining new feels 

if I drive well and scramble well I score well also; though My lack of success isn’t equipment related.  Why do you consider long irons your weakness?  what are you doing to fix that weakness?

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23 minutes ago, cnosil said:

 I don’t understand you use of the word “adapt”.  Adapt to them in what way?  Fitting will help you achieve the best launch conditions to give you the best chance to hit them well.   They will not fix bad swings and you still have to hit the ball in less than optimum conditions: less than max distance, environmental, hills, different ball flights, etc.   Fitted clubs will not magically make you score your best round.   Fitting, lessons, strategy are more about long term improvements and not shot by shot or round by round comparisons.  Your statements are about immediate narrow focused improvements and unless you see this you are searching for the next great fix.   You aren’t the only one, just read the what equipment am I thinking about thread.   🤣  The simple answer is you went to a professional club fitter that identified what configuration will provide you with good results;  going to another fitter could get you completely different results, so accept that that configuration will work and put the work in to improve your game.  The only thing you adapt to is the new input you get from the clubs and not trying to change you swing to get the “old” feels back.   It is kind of like lessons new things feel different and you aren’t adapting, you are ingraining new feels 

if I drive well and scramble well I score well also; though My lack of success isn’t equipment related.  Why do you consider long irons your weakness?  what are you doing to fix that weakness?

i have gone to a more "forgiving" and dynamic club for my 5& 6 iron to help me with the long iron game and hybrids for the 19 & 22 degree area....no more 3 and 4 iron for me....

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13 minutes ago, Tsecor said:

i have gone to a more "forgiving" and dynamic club for my 5& 6 iron to help me with the long iron game and hybrids for the 19 & 22 degree area....no more 3 and 4 iron for me....

Has it help accomplish what you wanted?  How are you measuring? 

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2 hours ago, Tsecor said:

I also wonder if fitting has ANY impact on scoring for me...I am an average player, not a great ball striker. I make up a lot of strokes with putting and my short game.....my weakness is long irons....if i am driving it well and scrambling well, i usally score well.  so im struggling with deciding if the fitting really would have a big impact on my overall game....will i use my new clubs, shoot a 78 and all of a sudden fall in love with them? 

A fitting isn’t going to make anyone score better. It’s going to optimize the ball flight for your swing on good and bad days. We the golfer still need to execute the shot at hand. Having a club that works with the swing is better than trying to create a swing to make the club work. Even with a fitted club a really bad swing is going to produce really nad results. Just look at when a pro hits one way right or way left. It happens to all of us

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1 hour ago, cnosil said:

Has it help accomplish what you wanted?  How are you measuring? 

on a launch monitor....distance wise and dispersion, yes....scoring.....and real life application? TBD

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32 minutes ago, Tsecor said:

on a launch monitor....distance wise and dispersion, yes....scoring.....and real life application? TBD

So it sounds like the clubs you have in the bag are what you need,   Now just go hit them.  

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... Fwiw, I think a head is not as important as a shaft when playing new clubs. Which head within a similar category will most likely just be a personal preference and sure a MB or Players head might be detrimental if you need SGI's but the wrong shaft can cause you to swing differently. Just look at jlukes and the Cobra challenge thread.

... I love the Mizuno Optimizer that measures Speed, Tempo, Toe Down, Kick Angle and Release factor. After extensive testing I fit myself with KBS Tour shafts in stiff flex, 1/2" long and soft stepped once in my MP62's. When I was doing a review for Mizuno and fit for MP59's by the Mizuno Rep, the Optimizer recommended those exact same specs. I was admittedly a little surprised and impressed by the 1/2" long and soft stepped the Optimizer recommendation. When I told the Rep after the recommendation that those are my exact specs he was more impressed by my self fitting than the Optimizer results which he says is accurate for even their tour staff. It is an amazing piece of fitting equipment. 

... When I starting playing the T100S the only graphite shaft options was the Kuro Kage 105gm shafts in S-Flex. They worked well for me but always a hair too stiff. In my next fitting the Kuro Kage's established a baseline and just like when playing I pushed several shots. After trying several shafts, the fitter put me in Recoil 95's in R-Flex and I gained about 5-7yds and stopped pushing shots. The stiffer shafts caused me to swing harder to get the shaft to unload properly resulting in those pushes and the Recoils allowed me to take my normal smoother swing gaining yards and accuracy. It was not a night and day difference in feel, the Kuro Kages felt just a little stouter, but that can be enough. Depending on how late you release and how fast you swing, the wrong shaft can be a disaster. Too light or heavy and you struggle with tempo. Too soft or too stiff and you have to change your swing to match the timing of your release. KIck point high or low with a soft or stiff tip can effect your trajectory which again will cause you to change your swing to see the flight in the right window. The bottom line is you want your shaft to enhance your swing not impede it. Getting the shaft right is the reason we go to a good fitter. 

 

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3 minutes ago, chisag said:

... Fwiw, I think a head is not as important as a shaft when playing new clubs. Which head within a similar category will most likely just be a personal preference and sure a MB or Players head might be detrimental if you need SGI's but the wrong shaft can cause you to swing differently. Just look at jlukes and the Cobra challenge thread.

... I love the Mizuno Optimizer that measures Speed, Tempo, Toe Down, Kick Angle and Release factor. After extensive testing I fit myself with KBS Tour shafts in stiff flex, 1/2" long and soft stepped once in my MP62's. When I was doing a review for Mizuno and fit for MP59's by the Mizuno Rep, the Optimizer recommended those exact same specs. I was admittedly a little surprised and impressed by the 1/2" long and soft stepped the Optimizer recommendation. When I told the Rep after the recommendation that those are my exact specs he was more impressed by my self fitting than the Optimizer results which he says is accurate for even their tour staff. It is an amazing piece of fitting equipment. 

... When I starting playing the T100S the only graphite shaft options was the Kuro Kage 105gm shafts in S-Flex. They worked well for me but always a hair too stiff. In my next fitting the Kuro Kage's established a baseline and just like when playing I pushed several shots. After trying several shafts, the fitter put me in Recoil 95's in R-Flex and I gained about 5-7yds and stopped pushing shots. The stiffer shafts caused me to swing harder to get the shaft to unload properly resulting in those pushes and the Recoils allowed me to take my normal smoother swing gaining yards and accuracy. It was not a night and day difference in fell, the Kuro Kages felt just a little stouter, but that can be enough. Depending on how late you release and how fast you swing, the wrong shaft can be a disaster. Too light or heavy and you struggle with tempo. Too soft or too stiff and you have to change your swing to match the timing of your release. KIck point high or low with a soft or stiff tip can effect your trajectory which again will cause you to change your swing to see the flight in the right window. The bottom line is you want your shaft to enhance your swing not impede it. Getting the shaft right is the reason we go to a good fitter. 

 

I agree with the shaft comments. As humans (not robots), we can have different reactions to different shaft profiles, weights, kick points, etc., and have drastically different results. If we put the shafts on the same club on a robot, im guessing the different shafts would show much less variation in results. 

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1 hour ago, dlow206 said:

I agree with the shaft comments. As humans (not robots), we can have different reactions to different shaft profiles, weights, kick points, etc., and have drastically different results. If we put the shafts on the same club on a robot, im guessing the different shafts would show much less variation in results. 

 

... The guys on tour hit no more than 2 or 3 shots max with any shaft that does not give them the flight they are looking for. They will begin to change their swing to get the right window and a fitter does not want that. As you said, a robot doesn't care if it hits the ball higher or lower, too much or too little spin and will not (cannot) change its swing like humans. 

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