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I've use the Most Wanted heavily over the years to narrow down fitting work, but find myself with a new challenge after a should surgery.  For years, I fell squarely in the "High Swing Speed" category.  But couple years removed from being put back together and I'm right on the cusp of High and Mid; consistently around 104-105 MPH

The recent challenge is that I need a new driver, and really all I care about at this stage is finding more fairways off the tee box.  An extra 10 yards means nothing to me at this stage.

What I'm struggling with is looking at a club like the TSi2 for instance where it ranked 2nd for Forgiveness among Mid Swing Speed....then didn't even crack the top 20 for Forgiveness among the High Swing Speed testers

What is a fella supposed to do here?  ("Go get fitted" suggestions aside)

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1 hour ago, thefullmonte said:

I've use the Most Wanted heavily over the years to narrow down fitting work, but find myself with a new challenge after a should surgery.  For years, I fell squarely in the "High Swing Speed" category.  But couple years removed from being put back together and I'm right on the cusp of High and Mid; consistently around 104-105 MPH

The recent challenge is that I need a new driver, and really all I care about at this stage is finding more fairways off the tee box.  An extra 10 yards means nothing to me at this stage.

What I'm struggling with is looking at a club like the TSi2 for instance where it ranked 2nd for Forgiveness among Mid Swing Speed....then didn't even crack the top 20 for Forgiveness among the High Swing Speed testers

What is a fella supposed to do here?  ("Go get fitted" suggestions aside)

You don’t want an answer of go get fit so that makes it really hard to answer.  Would go try a bunch of clubs or even the TSi2 be an okay answer?  Why is your current driver not acceptable?   How many shots with your driver leave you without a realistic chance to hit the green?  What width fairway do you want to hit? 20, 50, 100 yards wide? 

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If you want to buy one driver and tweak it yourself rather than get fitted than get one that has varied weight positions and varied loft / lie adjustments.  Without fitting data trying different shafts to optimize dispersion can get pricey.

Or if you are close to a place like a 2nd swing with quite a few trade in's try a few of the drivers / shaft combo's and see what works best.  

 

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55 minutes ago, cnosil said:

You don’t want an answer of go get fit so that makes it really hard to answer.  Would go try a bunch of clubs or even the TSi2 be an okay answer?  Why is your current driver not acceptable?   How many shots with your driver leave you without a realistic chance to hit the green?  What width fairway do you want to hit? 20, 50, 100 yards wide? 

Sorry, I worded that poorly.  Will GET FIT....but would like to have it narrowed down to 2 or 3 before walking in; not 20-30 options.  I'm trying to understand the difference in the data, and which is more applicable to that narrowing process.

 

On the year, I'm 20.5 HCP, 38% Fairway Hit, 21% GIR

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3 minutes ago, thefullmonte said:

Sorry, I worded that poorly.  Will GET FIT....but would like to have it narrowed down to 2 or 3 before walking in; not 20-30 options

I'm trying to understand the difference in the data, and which is more applicable to that narrowing process.

If you are going in blind to make a club purchase, like the majority of the golfing world,  the most wanted list gives you a great starting point.  If you are getting fit and even just trying the stock shafts you will come out better.   If you have a particular brand bias ,air that pick and find the best fit for you.   As one of the most wanted testers I believe that almost every club could provide good results for some golfer, even the one that finished last.  The challenge is getting the opportunity to try them so you can collect the data and see how you respond to the ahead/shaft combo

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57 minutes ago, thefullmonte said:

Sorry, I worded that poorly.  Will GET FIT....but would like to have it narrowed down to 2 or 3 before walking in; not 20-30 options.  I'm trying to understand the difference in the data, and which is more applicable to that narrowing process.

 

On the year, I'm 20.5 HCP, 38% Fairway Hit, 21% GIR

Pretty hard but the general trend in the most wanted results usually points to Ping being amongst the most forgiving drivers. Callaway and Titleist seemed to fair well this year as well. Default to the 'forgiving' models, TSi2, Max, XB in Cobra, etc. The fitter can dial in from there. 

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From a design standpoint, almost all drivers are built to the maximum size limitations to maximize MOI and forgiveness. The forgiveness rankings provided by MGS are not scientific and can be significantly impacted by loft differences, COG differences, and whatever other design differences there are. The real question in terms of forgiveness and being able to hit the fairways is going to be determined by the shaft, shaft length, and club head characteristics, notably vertical and rearward COG to control launch. However, the shaft is likely going to be your biggest factor. If you really want to find fairways, I strongly recommend trying a 44 to 44.5 inch shaft and see how you get along. One to two inches off of stock length may not sound like much but it really can change the feel and looks of the club and lead to much high confidence. Plus, if you strike the ball better with a shorter driver, your likely not going to lose any distance.

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My suggestion (and it's only a suggestion) is before you look at new drivers, find out what your swing flaw is that causes you to miss fairways... and greens I might add when you only hit 21% of them.  If you are back from shoulder surgery, I can assure you that your swing is different, and you may be introducing compensations.  That could lead to more issues down the road.  The driver you have may be just fine once you figure out your swing.

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1 hour ago, Kenny B said:

My suggestion (and it's only a suggestion) is before you look at new drivers, find out what your swing flaw is that causes you to miss fairways... and greens I might add when you only hit 21% of them.  If you are back from shoulder surgery, I can assure you that your swing is different, and you may be introducing compensations.  That could lead to more issues down the road.  The driver you have may be just fine once you figure out your swing.

Doing a little of both.  Lessons to get back in the good habits.  But also have some aging equipment and exploring if there is something better suited to me today than when I bought it in 2014

The driver is just a particular pain point as a significant % of the “blow up holes” start with a tee shot OOB 

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31 minutes ago, thefullmonte said:

Doing a little of both.  Lessons to get back in the good habits.  But also have some aging equipment and exploring if there is something better suited to me today than when I bought it in 2014

The driver is just a particular pain point as a significant % of the “blow up holes” start with a tee shot OOB 

Coming in here to ask about buying new (or new to you) equipment?!?!?!   Have you been introduced to the Club Ho thread yet??!!??    🤣  🤣   

Warning....do not drink from the same cup as @dlow206 or @Golfspy_CG2 or ......   !!  😱

 

A couple winters ago I upgraded the sticks....it can be a fun process learning stuff about your swing and the evolution of golf equipment.  I did it over the course of a couple months and now just rotate some clubs based on how the swing & my back are behaving.  Another year or two and I'll probably go through it again mostly for the fun.....unless I'm lucky and a testing opportunity pops up before then! 

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I think there are great options with driver currently.  You might find a few yards difference here and there dependent on shaft and head, but I don't know that 10 yards difference for a properly fitted club is there any more.  

Since you're driver is over 7 years old now - I think you will definitely notice some added yardage and forgiveness.  I'd use the MGS test as your guide, but then also take a look at the clubs that look great to you as well and instill some confidence.  Then give those 3/4 a try with finding the best shaft combo that works.  My suggestion would be Titleist, Ping, and Callaway as your starting points. 

Dependent on current swing characteristics where you would need the Low spin versions, but without having much information - I'd say the most forgiving models to start so that your overall driving numbers with be best.  

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Going to a certified club fitter is your answer.  I always do whenever I look to upgrade.  I upgraded this year, recently from a Titleist 917D 11.25* with a Fujikura Speed Tour 64 Shaft to a Titleist TSi3D 10.75* with a Fujikura Speeder 661 TR S Shaft.  I picked up abut ten additional yards, but the accuracy is off the charts.  By going to my fitter and getting the right combination my ball goes straight and long.  Ball speed is in the low nineties, handicap 15.  I like Titleist drivers and always use a Titleist certified fitter.  I will be 75 on September 10, and this club makes golf more fun for me.  I also picked up the TSi2 fairway 16.5* and it is actually longer and more accurate that my 917f 15*.  Might suggest looking at the TSi lineup and Fujikura makes some really great shafts.        

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It is not just the swing speed, but your tempo. This is why a fitting helps to get fit for the right shaft. If you like Titleist, tell the fitter. Between all their club heads and shaft combos, one will probably work.

and if your an optimist, it will work forever.

and if a pessimist like me, right up until you buy and use it for exactly 2 rounds, and then it will be as wacky as the rest of my clubs!

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Im still gaming a Nike Covert 2.0 with a Diamama 72g D+  
 

In younger years, it was LOOONNGGG.  But between age and the shoulder, I both don’t hit it was hard…or care about distance quite as much.  I’d trade 20 yards of distance today for 20% tighter dispersion.  

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37 minutes ago, ChuckZ said:

Going to a certified club fitter is your answer.  I always do whenever I look to upgrade.  I upgraded this year, recently from a Titleist 917D 11.25* with a Fujikura Speed Tour 64 Shaft to a Titleist TSi3D 10.75* with a Fujikura Speeder 661 TR S Shaft.  I picked up abut ten additional yards, but the accuracy is off the charts.  By going to my fitter and getting the right combination my ball goes straight and long.  Ball speed is in the low nineties, handicap 15.  I like Titleist drivers and always use a Titleist certified fitter.  I will be 75 on September 10, and this club makes golf more fun for me.  I also picked up the TSi2 fairway 16.5* and it is actually longer and more accurate that my 917f 15*.  Might suggest looking at the TSi lineup and Fujikura makes some really great shafts.        

The TSi2 is the one that really has my attention at the moment.

 

But I was incredibly confused how it was one of the MOST forgiving clubs for Mid Swing Speeds….and one of the WORST for High Swing Speeds.  Just doesn’t make much sense to me

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6 hours ago, thefullmonte said:

Sorry, I worded that poorly.  Will GET FIT....but would like to have it narrowed down to 2 or 3 before walking in; not 20-30 options.  I'm trying to understand the difference in the data, and which is more applicable to that narrowing process.

On the year, I'm 20.5 HCP, 38% Fairway Hit, 21% GIR

For $9 ..... Thats right, less than a happy meal you can have access to the database from MGS at www.truegolffit.com... Well that is what I paid.  It will give you 2 club choices based on insane amounts of data.  That is a great place to start.  I bought a hogan GS53 Max.....

PS - guess what ... I got fat during rona and I need to go get a lesson to dial it in.... its not the hammer its the carpenter. 

Summation:  www.truegolffit.com and a lesson

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11 minutes ago, thefullmonte said:

The TSi2 is the one that really has my attention at the moment.

 

But I was incredibly confused how it was one of the MOST forgiving clubs for Mid Swing Speeds….and one of the WORST for High Swing Speeds.  Just doesn’t make much sense to me

The testing pools are not large enough to have that level of statistical significance, you also see this when the same club is tested multiple years with different players. There would need to be hundreds or thousands of testers at each speed. On the flip side, it shows how much variation there is based on how someone delivers the club head. Which is why all anybody says is get fit, or go trial them at a store. 

I was able to find a driver that was longer with tighter dispersion because my previous club was a random off the shelf pick based from online reviews and knew nothing about clubs. 

I would save the $9 on True Golf Fit... The best way is to go in for at least 2-3 sessions to try 5-6 heads with different shafts (there will be day to day variation in your swing as well). Then compare the 2 clubs that performed best against your gamer, ensuring you finish the sessions with your gamer so you aren't hitting your current driver first thing getting out of your car. Then the fitter says BINGO, this new driver increased your swing speed 3-5 MPH when it was just you getting warmed up and it no longer than your current club on the course. 

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Ping G425 Max - My FIR percentage has increased almost 20% since obtaining this club. 😃

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1 hour ago, Bubbly Pop said:

Ping G425 Max - My FIR percentage has increased almost 20% since obtaining this club. 😃

I hit this club with (3) different shafts and all were awful for me, even making hosel adjustments as well.  I was no BS getting 6000-7000 RPM 

it’s likely all in my head, but I play midsize grips…and it feels like anytime I try to hit a club with a regular grip…it’s just awful.

the session with the 425 was just infuriating.  Yes, they were bad.  But they looked nothing like anything I hit on the course 

 

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Well I was going to suggest tbe TSi2 despite the rankings in MWT snd the PING G425 then read your experience.  Which sounds very very odd.   I would give it another look if you get the chance.   

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