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Today, I came to the realization that I do not need a lob wedge.  After the round started to smell bad, I mad it into a practice round.

I hit some 50 yard shots with a 54° and 58°… the 54° was premo, the 58° would have cost me a stroke for sure.  Hit the stick twice with the 54°… 

I might go back to a 52°/56° set up.  With a M grind I can turn the 56° into a 65° if needed.

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I'll keep a 58° in my bag because it works well for my clock wedge system.

But in general, when I try to get "creative" with my 58°, I just end up leaving the ball short.

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I'm not sure I'll ever be able to go without a 58 or 60 in my bag. As long as my ball striking is up to snuff (that goes for any club) it's a stress free option for me around the greens. I can hit it low, hit it high, make it spin, and even make it run a little. I wouldn't say it's a go-to wedge, but I probably opt for it a bit more than the 54 or 50. I have learned that (and constantly have to remind myself) I'm no Phil or Seve and will play the percentages more often than not.

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While I carry a 60, I limit use of it to those times when I particularly need to go high from short shots, although I will use it quite often when the sand is a bit firm or wet.  I much prefer using a 56 or even my 52 or 48  for shots inside of 100 yards.  I just feel that I have better control with partial swings with these clubs than a fuller swing with a 60.

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16 minutes ago, TR1PTIK said:

I'm not sure I'll ever be able to go without a 58 or 60 in my bag. As long as my ball striking is up to snuff (that goes for any club) it's a stress free option for me around the greens. I can hit it low, hit it high, make it spin, and even make it run a little. I wouldn't say it's a go-to wedge, but I probably opt for it a bit more than the 54 or 50. I have learned that (and constantly have to remind myself) I'm no Phil or Seve and will play the percentages more often than not.

It has a purpose in my bag, but now that I’m not trying to Hulk Hogan it as my 100-110 yard shot. That purpose is dwindling.  
 

I used to practice with a 56° all the time.  High, low, extra high… ankle biters.

 

I just think that I need to reevaluate my approach to the game.  I need a lesson with the driver for certain.  
 

I don’t know…. I’ve been playing a lot of lower shots into the greens, with the 48° wedge.  It is magical.  Today I had 100 in, took a 9 iron and basically chipped it into the wind, one hop and stopped in it’s tracks.

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50 minutes ago, Shankster said:

Today, I came to the realization that I do not need a lob wedge.  After the round started to smell bad, I mad it into a practice round.

I hit some 50 yard shots with a 54° and 58°… the 54° was premo, the 58° would have cost me a stroke for sure.  Hit the stick twice with the 54°… 

I might go back to a 52°/56° set up.  With a M grind I can turn the 56° into a 65° if needed.

I am inclined to agree with this logic.

If most golfers were to take a 54 or 56 and like you said, open it a little, you can really get a ball up in the air even in the rare event that you're short sided.  

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20 minutes ago, Shankster said:

It has a purpose in my bag, but now that I’m not trying to Hulk Hogan it as my 100-110 yard shot. That purpose is dwindling.  

Yeah, I very rarely take a full swipe at it with the 58. There has to be a very specific reason for me to want to do that. Definitely a case of "less is more" IMO.

20 minutes ago, Shankster said:

Today I had 100 in, took a 9 iron and basically chipped it into the wind, one hop and stopped in it’s tracks.

That's one of my favorite shots to both hit and watch. 

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1 hour ago, Shankster said:

Today, I came to the realization that I do not need a lob wedge.  After the round started to smell bad, I mad it into a practice round.

I hit some 50 yard shots with a 54° and 58°… the 54° was premo, the 58° would have cost me a stroke for sure.  Hit the stick twice with the 54°… 

I might go back to a 52°/56° set up.  With a M grind I can turn the 56° into a 65° if needed.

Been carrying a 56 as my lowest all season and still have had only a handful of times where I needed that loft. Been using the 52 so much more and it has been much easier. 

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32 minutes ago, bens197 said:

I am inclined to agree with this logic.

If most golfers were to take a 54 or 56 and like you said, open it a little, you can really get a ball up in the air even in the rare event that you're short sided.  

I was practicing flops in the yard with my 52° “Yard club” the other day.  Far superior result compared to trying to flop a 58°.  

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1 hour ago, Shankster said:

I don’t know…. I’ve been playing a lot of lower shots into the greens, with the 48° wedge.  It is magical.  Today I had 100 in, took a 9 iron and basically chipped it into the wind, one hop and stopped in it’s tracks.

This!!!!

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57 minutes ago, Shankster said:

I was practicing flops in the yard with my 52° “Yard club” the other day.  Far superior result compared to trying to flop a 58°.  

I do this kind of stuff too lol

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I have a 58* lob that I use for the sand or greenside chips, maybe a pitch or two. But even a half swing? Nuh uh. No way. I've got a 54* CBX for that. 

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Ive been forced to get creative with my 56, as my 60 never returned from it's scuba trip on the 5th hole at Cypress Lakes GC.

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5 hours ago, Shankster said:

It has a purpose in my bag, but now that I’m not trying to Hulk Hogan it as my 100-110 yard shot. That purpose is dwindling.  
 

I used to practice with a 56° all the time.  High, low, extra high… ankle biters.

 

I just think that I need to reevaluate my approach to the game.  I need a lesson with the driver for certain.  
 

I don’t know…. I’ve been playing a lot of lower shots into the greens, with the 48° wedge.  It is magical.  Today I had 100 in, took a 9 iron and basically chipped it into the wind, one hop and stopped in it’s tracks.

It's funny.  I play with guys that have no idea how to play in wind.  I watch them hit these beautiful high wedge shots into greens, and they fall out of the sky... short.  I hit the same shot with a wedge; it goes half as high and is on the green.  I don't think they have that shot.  BTW, it works without wind too.

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5 hours ago, TR1PTIK said:

I'm not sure I'll ever be able to go without a 58 or 60 in my bag. As long as my ball striking is up to snuff (that goes for any club) it's a stress free option for me around the greens. I can hit it low, hit it high, make it spin, and even make it run a little. I wouldn't say it's a go-to wedge, but I probably opt for it a bit more than the 54 or 50. I have learned that (and constantly have to remind myself) I'm no Phil or Seve and will play the percentages more often than not.

Same for me.  My 60 is my goto club for most shots from 40 yards to the green.  I can hit it low or high from most any lie.  It's my bunker club unless I need a little more carry, then I opt for my 54.  I know what I can do with it, and that gives me confidence that I don't have with other clubs that I use very infrequently.

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I wouldn't even consider playing without my 60* in my bag. From 60 yards and in its money. I will also add that I play mountain courses so there are a lot of elevation changes and this requires quite a few high soft landing shots from below the green and over bunkers. I actually have 6 holes on my home course that can require this type of shot depending on where you leave yourself. Three are on par 5's. 

I do carry a 56* but that is mostly for bunker play. My next is the 50* gap wedge which is my go to for 100 yards and I use it for chips and pitches.

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Most every club in my bag can be replaced.  The one club that really can't is my 58° LW.  This wedge has proven to be very reliable for a variety of shots from full shots (80-85 yards) to finesse shots to short bunker shots.  I have a standard stiff shaft in my LW, as I do for all my irons.  I have tried softer wedge shafts and really don't care for them.  I have a backup 58° LW (same make and model) that I put a wedge shaft in and it is NOT the same club.  When my current LW needs to be replaced I will use the existing shaft with the new head.

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I used to only carry a 56* then I added a 60* about two years ago and never looked back. My wedges are the strongest part of my game mostly because I spent about an hour a day 6 days a week in high school chipping on the practice green. It's far easier to be accurate with the 60* wedge because you don't have to open it up as much as the 56* to get the same shot. It's not that a 56* can't make all the shots, it's just the 60* makes it easier. I will say that I rarely ever take a full swing with my 60 as it can be a little unpredictable although I have gotten much better. Shots 50 - 80 yards are mostly hit with my 56* and anything longer than 80 yards is going to be hit with my 51*, PW or 9-iron depending on conditions, landing area, etc. Really, any shot inside of 150, I will usually club up an extra club as it's much easier for me to control trajectory and spin with a 9- or 8-iron than try to muscle a wedge to the pin. Muscling irons and wedges to the whole has rarely been a winning strategy for me.

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Couldn’t get thru a round without my 60*: from 90 yards and in, it’s my go to club. Long chips and long bunker shots? I’ll use my 55* or my 51*, but since I have the same shaft in those as my irons, I prefer closer to “full” swings. I don’t hit any club all out anymore, but trying to hit a knockdown, or a 50% 56 is out of my ability…

 

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