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41 minutes ago, fixyurdivot said:

Cantlay's putting won the FedEx Cup... any dissenting opinions?  I didn't get to watch it live and just saw the highlights.  What a great playoff run and duel at the end. Lastly, don't feel too bad for John, he still bags a cool $5,000,000.

I don’t think any of them need a “Go Fund Me” account.

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2 minutes ago, Rickp said:

I don’t think any of them need a “Go Fund Me” account.

The legends of the game from 50's thru 70's must just keep shaking their heads in disbelief. Even adjusted for inflation we're talking 3 digit fold increases in money earned.

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1 hour ago, fixyurdivot said:

Cantlay's putting won the FedEx Cup... any dissenting opinions?  I didn't get to watch it live and just saw the highlights.  What a great playoff run and duel at the end. Lastly, don't feel too bad for John, he still bags a cool $5,000,000.

If you look at strokes gained for the event,  he lost strokes to the field putting and actually gained strokes off the tee and approach shots.   So while his putting probably won him the BMW,  it wasn't just putting that won him the FedEx cup. 

 

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I will say for the guys there were out of the race yesterday, they really didn’t seem to want to be there anymore. Still playing for a good chunk of change. 

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39 minutes ago, cnosil said:

If you look at strokes gained for the event,  he lost strokes to the field putting and actually gained strokes off the tee and approach shots.   So while his putting probably won him the BMW,  it wasn't just putting that won him the FedEx cup. 

 

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15 minutes ago, fixyurdivot said:

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2 hours ago, Shankster said:

Kevin Na and Jon Rahm won this event.  This tiered start is bogus.

 

Id be super mad if I was either of those two.

Basically an inverted handicap system and I agree they should do away with it. Let the top 30 play it straight up as they do the entire season.

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I think we could see another Cantley/Rahm pairing at the Ryder Cup.

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9 hours ago, Kenny B said:

I think we could see another Cantley/Rahm pairing at the Ryder Cup.

You too apparently caught Rahm's "I'll get my revenge" post round comment. I suspect he'll request Padraig make that singles pairing.

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19 hours ago, Shankster said:

Kevin Na and Jon Rahm won this event.  This tiered start is bogus.

 

Id be super mad if I was either of those two.

 

17 hours ago, fixyurdivot said:

Basically an inverted handicap system and I agree they should do away with it. Let the top 30 play it straight up as they do the entire season.

Since it began in 2007 a playoff system was a central part of the format and the only reason the FedEx Cup came into being - to determine a "tour champion" for the season, not a tournament winner. The Northern Trust, the BMW and Eastlake were never meant to be three more individual tournaments. Neither Na, Rahm or anyone else have any legit reason to be "super mad" they all know the format from the time they tee off for the first time that season. Cantlay earned the right to start at -10 just as everyone else earned whatever strokes under they were awarded to start. The guy who finishes 30th shouldn't have the same chance to win the FedEx Cup as the other 29. 

Do you think the old format where who won the FedEx cup and who won Eastlake was better - no way? It was downright awkward in years where the guy who won at Eastlake got a much smaller $ prize than they guy who won the FedEx cup who may not have played all that well at Eastlake.

I agree this format is unorthodox and I wish there was a better way too, but again it's meant determine the tour championship for the season, winning the last tournament doesn't fit that purpose. If you have a better system to crown a tour champion for the season that doesn't result in someone else winning at Eastlake let's hear it?

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8 minutes ago, Middler said:

 

Since it began in 2007 a playoff system was a central part of the format and the only reason the FedEx Cup came into being - to determine a "tour champion", not a tournament winner. The Northern Trust, the BMW and Eastlake were never meant to be three more individual tournaments. Neither Na, Rahm or anyone else have any legit reason to be "super mad" they all know the format from the time they tee off for the first time that season. Cantlay earned the right to start at -10 just as everyone else earned whatever strokes under they were awarded to start. The guy who finishes 30th shouldn't have the same chance to win the FedEx Cup as the other 29. 

Do you think the old format where who won the FedEx cup and who won Eastlake was better - no way? It was downright awkward in years where the guy who won at Eastlake got a much smaller $ prize than they guy who won the FedEx cup who may not have played all that well at Eastlake.

I agree this format is unorthodox and I wish there was a better way too, but again it's meant determine the tour championship for the season, winning the last tournament doesn't fit that purpose. If you have a better system to crown a tour champion for the season that doesn't result in someone else winning at Eastlake let's hear it?

I stated my better/preferred system in the prior post.  Just change it to straight up, no bonus points.  #30 should absolutely have an equal chance at winning as the other 30.  They use this same format all season long.  I'd like to see them change this. 

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1 hour ago, fixyurdivot said:

I stated my better/preferred system in the prior post.  Just change it to straight up, no bonus points.  #30 should absolutely have an equal chance at winning as the other 30.  They use this same format all season long.  I'd like to see them change this. 

How is that a playoff, the original sole purpose of the FedEx Cup, that determines a season winner? What you describe is just another tournament with limited invitees. It’s never been that from the beginning in 2007 or since.

I guess we agree to disagree on this one.

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16 hours ago, Middler said:

How is that a playoff, the original sole purpose of the FedEx Cup, that determines a season winner? What you describe is just another tournament with limited invitees. It’s never been that from the beginning in 2007 or since.

I guess we agree to disagree on this one.

17 hours ago, fixyurdivot said:

I stated my better/preferred system in the prior post.  Just change it to straight up, no bonus points.  #30 should absolutely have an equal chance at winning as the other 30.  They use this same format all season long.  I'd like to see them change this. 

I would just agree that they should change it up. They have the regular season champ that ends when the playoffs begins. Then in the playoffs each week is just playing it straight up. Every other sport does this and many times the teams with the best records don't win the championship. Why can't golf have this, it doesn't need to be fair, that playoffs are never fair. You can not loose all year then lose first week of the playoffs and be out, or in a series have a rough 4 games and be out. Its more exciting that way I feel. That way the winner would have to be at least somewhat on for the 3 weeks of the playoffs, but that's just me.

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On 9/5/2021 at 11:07 PM, fixyurdivot said:

Basically an inverted handicap system and I agree they should do away with it. Let the top 30 play it straight up as they do the entire season.

I am all for a cumulative three tournament score for the FedEx Cup Tour Championship winner. 

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7 minutes ago, LICC said:

I am all for a cumulative three tournament score for the FedEx Cup Tour Championship winner. 

 

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16 hours ago, Middler said:

How is that a playoff, the original sole purpose of the FedEx Cup, that determines a season winner? What you describe is just another tournament with limited invitees. It’s never been that from the beginning in 2007 or since.

I guess we agree to disagree on this one.

What other sport gives a team more points or goals or runs in the playoffs because they had more regular season wins? The playoff format determines who qualifies and advances, but the game itself shouldn’t be handicapped. 

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1 minute ago, LICC said:

What other sport gives a team more points or goals or runs in the playoffs because they had more regular season wins? The playoff format determines who qualifies and advances, but the game itself shouldn’t be handicapped. 

None. But all other sports have playoff brackets where they face off one against another, and it comes down to two finalists. What other sport gives 30 players equal footing in the "final?"

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8 minutes ago, Middler said:

Which is what the FedEx Cup was from 2007 until 2019, and Eastlake was just another tournament. I'd rather go back to that than letting the 30 players have an equal shot at one tournament at Eastlake to determine the season winner. I agree the present system is awkward, but so was the pre 2019 format. Maybe the differentials are too great, IOW the winner starts at -5 and descending instead of -10. I'd love to hear a better format that provides a season winner, and not have two winners at Eastlake like before.

I thought that from 2007-2019 it was FedEx points that determined the winner, which included the regular season points. That is not what I’m suggesting. I like the idea that the FedEx points determine qualifying and advancing, but the end winner is the lowest three tournament cumulative score. 

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15 minutes ago, Middler said:

None. But all other sports have playoff brackets where they face off one against another, and it comes down to two finalists. What other sport gives 30 players equal footing in the "final?"

True but no other sport has 125 players/team make the playoffs. So cutting that down to the top 25% or so at top thirty is a bit high but also seems reasonable given the 125 that get in. But either way someone is making a big check.

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