9 holes is enough for me 0 Posted August 29, 2021 Share Posted August 29, 2021 I am new to forum. Ive been playing golf for 6 years and have watched to ton of the golf channel academy plus have googled golf instruction big time. For the most part the techniques have NOT been contradictory except -Hitting a Hybrid about half say you should not hit down like a iron but sweep like a wood. The other half say hit down like a iron one even says 3.5 negative degrees. What do you all think. My mid to long fairway is the worst part of my game for sure. Quote Link to comment
CarlH 7,949 Posted August 29, 2021 Share Posted August 29, 2021 Play it like a long iron. Place it a bit forward in your stance, off the logo of your shirt or your left ear, and swing smoothly. Allow me to rephrase that, as I'm sure others will chime in with a different way.....that's how I play them and it works well for me. Edit: Don't try to kill them. Swing the club rather than hit the ball. 3 Quote Driver: Rogue ST Max (10.5*) -- Mitsubishi Tensai Blue 55g R shaft Fairway: Rogue ST Max 3 wood (16.5*)-- Mitishibishi Tensai Blue 55g R shaft Hybrids: M6 19* and 24* -- Fujikura Atmos R shaft Irons: Apex CF19 6-9, PW, AW, SW(bent to 52*) -- KBSTour Graphite 70g shafts R +1/2 inch 3 up Wedges: CBX2 56* and 60* True Temper Dynamic Gold Wedge shaft Putter: Stroke Lab 7S Ball: MTB-X My Photography can be seen at Smugmug Link to comment
BostonSal 554 Posted August 29, 2021 Share Posted August 29, 2021 I remember the very first TaylorMade FireSole Rescue. It was a copper orange color, had a titanium head with a rail sole, and the very best way to play it was to leave it in the trunk. Then I tried Cleveland Halos which were a little bit better but not much. For me, anyway. Eventually I discovered that while hybrids were a godsend for some, in my case, they were an answer to a question never asked. Curiously, I had better luck with utility driving irons.. PRGR made an excellent one early on, and then Dunlop made a blatant knockoff of it for a lot less money. The Mizuno Fli Hi II could have stayed in my bag forever, but I wanted a touch more loft as I got older. Now I've got an Epon. I also got a couple of matching fairway long irons, but that was an expensive and stupid mistake on my part. From the tee, driving irons really take the fear out of tight driving holes if you hit them well. Hybrids, on the other hand, are great for those who hit them better than long irons or high loft woods. That didn't turn out to be me. 1 Quote Link to comment
Riverboat 783 Posted August 29, 2021 Share Posted August 29, 2021 32 minutes ago, John Pizzuto said: I am new to forum. Ive been playing golf for 6 years and have watched to ton of the golf channel academy plus have googled golf instruction big time. For the most part the techniques have NOT been contradictory except -Hitting a Hybrid about half say you should not hit down like a iron but sweep like a wood. The other half say hit down like a iron one even says 3.5 negative degrees. What do you all think. My mid to long fairway is the worst part of my game for sure. I really think this depends on the hybrid. Some are built to play more like an iron, and others like a wood. The key is to find one that matches what you want to do. I've had more problems with the hybrid than any other clubs. I've only ever found 2 that I could hit well. The first was a Hogan that I hit just like a five or six iron, the current gamer is a Wilson that I play like a five wood. I agree completely with the previous poster, however, that in either case, these are not clubs that you want to muscle. They are meant to provide distance and extraction ability without having to force the issue. 3 Quote Wilson Triton 3w: PXG 341 5W: Cleveland launcher 3H: Wilson Deep Red 5-GW: PXG 0211 SW LW: Mizuno MP T5 P: Scott Cameron Newport Link to comment
9 holes is enough for me 0 Posted August 29, 2021 Author Share Posted August 29, 2021 thanks for replies but I do not have any irons lower than a 6 just hybrid 3 4 5 and 3 wood . still looking for answer to my question on how many degrees I should hit hybrid down or sweep like a wood. I am a mid-high handicapper and having trouble getting good loft on anything under a 7. Thanks Quote Link to comment
Riverboat 783 Posted August 29, 2021 Share Posted August 29, 2021 50 minutes ago, 9 holes is enough for me said: thanks for replies but I do not have any irons lower than a 6 just hybrid 3 4 5 and 3 wood . still looking for answer to my question on how many degrees I should hit hybrid down or sweep like a wood. I am a mid-high handicapper and having trouble getting good loft on anything under a 7. Thanks Sounds like you would have trouble with an iron swing if you can't get launch on anything longer than a 7, so I would try to sweep them like fairway woods. If that doesn't work, they may not work for you... either check out other hybrids or go the 7, 9, 11 wood route. 2 Quote Wilson Triton 3w: PXG 341 5W: Cleveland launcher 3H: Wilson Deep Red 5-GW: PXG 0211 SW LW: Mizuno MP T5 P: Scott Cameron Newport Link to comment
GaDawg 1,368 Posted August 29, 2021 Share Posted August 29, 2021 1 hour ago, 9 holes is enough for me said: thanks for replies but I do not have any irons lower than a 6 just hybrid 3 4 5 and 3 wood . still looking for answer to my question on how many degrees I should hit hybrid down or sweep like a wood. I am a mid-high handicapper and having trouble getting good loft on anything under a 7. Thanks Unless the ball is teed up, you should hit down on it like you would your 6 -7 irons. Personally, there is not a direct answer to your question. You can't go by the degrees on the club, it depends on how the ball is sitting. On a tee, don't hit down. In the fairway, hit down like your 6-7 iron. 1 Quote Driver: Stealth Plus - 10.5*, Oban Kiyoshi Purple O4Flex-65 Grams Purred 3 Wood: SIM - 15*, Graphite Design Tour AD DJ5 Stiff Hybrid: TS3 - 19*, Hzrdus Smoke 6.0 Stiff Irons: 7 - PW T100S, 4 -6 T200 all with Nippon NS Pro 880 AMC Chrome Stiff Wedges: Vokey SM 8 - 50*, 56*, 60* Standard Wedge Shafts Putter: Phantom X 5.5 Putter: Studio Select Newport 1.5 Ball: Pro V1 & Maxfli Tour Link to comment
puttnfool 462 Posted August 29, 2021 Share Posted August 29, 2021 1 hour ago, Riverboat said: Sounds like you would have trouble with an iron swing if you can't get launch on anything longer than a 7, so I would try to sweep them like fairway woods. If that doesn't work, they may not work for you... either check out other hybrids or go the 7, 9, 11 wood route. Definitely nothing wrong with the 7, 9, and maybe even 11 wood route. I have played 7 and 9 woods often over the years. Quote WITB: Taylormade SIM2 Max 9° w/ PX HZRDUS Smoke Black 6.0, 60g @ 45" TM V-Steel 5wd w/ Aldila Rogue Max 85x (holding down the fort until I can acquire a new fairway wood) Srixon Z765 irons w/ PX LZ 6.0 (holding down the fort until I can get new irons) Cleveland RTX-4 58/03 Odyssey SL EXO Marxman Pondering: Epic Speed 4wd or SIM2 Max 3HL Callaway UT Srixon irons (some combination of ZX5, ZX7, and forged) likely with Aerotech i95 or i110 stiff shafts Either RTX Zipcore or CBX2 wedge(s) Link to comment
cnosil 24,387 Posted August 29, 2021 Share Posted August 29, 2021 2 hours ago, 9 holes is enough for me said: thanks for replies but I do not have any irons lower than a 6 just hybrid 3 4 5 and 3 wood . still looking for answer to my question on how many degrees I should hit hybrid down or sweep like a wood. I am a mid-high handicapper and having trouble getting good loft on anything under a 7. Thanks Let's say 3.5 - 4 degrees down; bur you also need to realize that most players actually hit down with a wood as well. I'm assuming that you are on a launch monitor measuring this so it is probably just better to work on launch angle to get better at hitting the club. https://blog.trackmangolf.com/trackman-average-tour-stats/ Quote Driver: G400 Max 9* w/ KBS Tour Driven Fairway: TS3 15* set to 16.5* w/Project X Hzardous Smoke Hybrids: 816H1 19* set at 18* w/KBS Tour Graphite Hybrid Prototype 915H 21* w/KBS Tour Graphite Hybrid Prototype Irons: TR20V 5-11 w/Vizard TR20-85 Graphite Wedge: 54-10S 588 58-12 Putter: Directed Force 2.1 Backups: 6330, TM-180, Milled Collection RSX 2, Bellum Winmore 787, mFGP2 Member: MGS Hitsquad since 2017 Link to comment
Hook DeLoft 703 Posted August 30, 2021 Share Posted August 30, 2021 I think the best answer to your question is to experiment. Take a hybrid to the range and try different ball positions. Middle of the stance will encourage a slightly downward strike. Putting the ball closer to your front foot will encourage a sweeping strike. As mentioned above, some hybrids respond better to a downward strike. Some perform better when you sweep it. So much depends on the design of the hybrid. If you hit fairway woods well off the turf, you may be better off sweeping hybrids. If you take a divot with your longer irons, you may hit hybrids better with a downward strife IF the hybrid is designed for that. In general, smaller headed hybrids respond better to a downward strike and large headed hybrids are good for sweepers. Bottom line: find a hybrid that suits your swing. Don’t try to change your swing to suit the hybrid. 6 Quote 14 of the following: Ping G425 Max Callaway Epic Max 5 wood Cobra F9 Speedback 7/8 wood set at 23.5 degrees Callaway Epic Max 11 wood PXG 0311P Gen. 3 6-GW PXG 0211 5-GW PXG 0211 sand wedge bent to 53 degrees Maltby M Series+ 54 degree Ping Glide 3.0 Eye2 58 degree Ping Glide 3.0 60 degree Evnroll ER2 Ping Sigma 2 Anser Link to comment
Riverboat 783 Posted August 30, 2021 Share Posted August 30, 2021 45 minutes ago, Hook DeLoft said: I think the best answer to your question is to experiment. Take a hybrid to the range and try different ball positions. Middle of the stance will encourage a slightly downward strike. Putting the ball closer to your front foot will encourage a sweeping strike. As mentioned above, some hybrids respond better to a downward strike. Some perform better when you sweep it. So much depends on the design of the hybrid. If you hit fairway woods well off the turf, you may be better off sweeping hybrids. If you take a divot with your longer irons, you may hit hybrids better with a downward strife IF the hybrid is designed for that. In general, smaller headed hybrids respond better to a downward strike and large headed hybrids are good for sweepers. Bottom line: find a hybrid that suits your swing. Don’t try to change your swing to suit the hybrid. Very well said. Quote Wilson Triton 3w: PXG 341 5W: Cleveland launcher 3H: Wilson Deep Red 5-GW: PXG 0211 SW LW: Mizuno MP T5 P: Scott Cameron Newport Link to comment
Tyler86 414 Posted August 31, 2021 Share Posted August 31, 2021 As previously stated, its sort of situation specific. But for the most part my 3h i hit more like a fairway and my 5h more like and iron. At least thats my swing thought. Im not a great hybrid player, but its still more consistent than a 3i or 5i for me. Quote Mavrik Max Driver M2 5W 818 hybrids Steelhead XR Irons ZipCore wedges SeeMore PR M7X Link to comment
Kansas King 594 Posted August 31, 2021 Share Posted August 31, 2021 I have a tendency to hit hybrids with a sweeping strike or slightly down on them. However, it really depends on your swing and the hybrid. There are no solid rules in golf that one must swing up or down with any club. Sure, hitting down on the driver may not give optimal results but it can be done. Hitting up or down on a hybrid will give you different results and different situations may require different types of strikes. Off the tee vs. off the fairway into a green are two different situations. Off the tee you may be going for distance and want to strike the ball in a way that maximizes distance while going for the green may necessitate a higher trajectory or higher spinning shot to hold the green. So it really just depends on the shot at hand and as noted above, you just have to experiment a little. 2 Quote Link to comment
PBH3 94 Posted August 31, 2021 Share Posted August 31, 2021 Generally speaking I found that there are 2 types of hybrids, smaller heads more like a driving iron and larger heads more like a fairway wood and they are each more successful when swung like their counterparts. It took me a long time to find hybrids that I could consistently hit well, most were snap hook or worm burners, but once I found my current gamers which I swing down on like irons they have been great and far easier than a 3 or 4 iron to hit into greens. Quote Driver- Ping G410 Plus 9* Fairway- Tour Edge Exotics EXS 220 3 Wood 16.5* Hybrid- Tour Edge Hot Launch C521 19* & 22* Irons-PXG 0211 DC, 5-PW Wedges- Taylormade Hi Toe 50*, 54* and 58* Putter- Ping Sigma G Tyne (Superstroke grip) Ball- Snell MTB-X Bag- 2021 Ping Hoofer USA Edition Link to comment
9 holes is enough for me 0 Posted September 1, 2021 Author Share Posted September 1, 2021 thanks for replies. They say hybrids are easier to hit for the mid-high handicapper and can get more loft. Like a few of you said I would probably struggle with a low iron. I struggle with the ball position forward of center. Will have more questions and start a new topic sometime on something else but if any of you have any sayings about compressing the ball please let me know . Like for example hitting a long distance out of a fairway bunker "Stand tall top of the ball" that works. Or Gary player in a greenside bunker "light a match" I need one like that for compression on the fairway. 1 Quote Link to comment
den748 166 Posted September 1, 2021 Share Posted September 1, 2021 On 8/29/2021 at 11:44 AM, CarlH said: Swing the club rather than hit the ball. This tip single handedly removed 3 strokes off my handicap. But for the question asked, I hit my hybrids more like a wood. Usually forward in stance and not hitting down on it. Never come close to taking any earth up when swinging. 2 Quote Driver: Epic Flash Sub-Zero Project X HZRDUS Smoke 3 Wood: M6 UST Mamiya Proforce V2 3 Hybrid: M6 UST Mamiya Proforce V2 4 Hybrid : M4 Stock Stiff Shaft Irons: P790 (5I-AW) - 2 deg strong - Nippon Modus3 105 Gram/Stiff 60 Degree Wedge: Vokey SM7 - AMT Black/Stiff 54 Degree Wedge: RTX Zip Core Putter: Sigma G Tyne Putter Ball: ProV1x Tracked by: Link to comment
cnosil 24,387 Posted September 1, 2021 Share Posted September 1, 2021 10 minutes ago, den748 said: This tip single handedly removed 3 strokes off my handicap. But for the question asked, I hit my hybrids more like a wood. Usually forward in stance and not hitting down on it. Never come close to taking any earth up when swinging. Have you been on a launch monitor to confirm you aren’t swinging down? Having the low point above the ground doesn’t necessarily mean you aren’t swinging down. Quote Driver: G400 Max 9* w/ KBS Tour Driven Fairway: TS3 15* set to 16.5* w/Project X Hzardous Smoke Hybrids: 816H1 19* set at 18* w/KBS Tour Graphite Hybrid Prototype 915H 21* w/KBS Tour Graphite Hybrid Prototype Irons: TR20V 5-11 w/Vizard TR20-85 Graphite Wedge: 54-10S 588 58-12 Putter: Directed Force 2.1 Backups: 6330, TM-180, Milled Collection RSX 2, Bellum Winmore 787, mFGP2 Member: MGS Hitsquad since 2017 Link to comment
den748 166 Posted September 1, 2021 Share Posted September 1, 2021 1 minute ago, cnosil said: Have you been on a launch monitor to confirm you aren’t swinging down? Having the low point above the ground doesn’t necessarily mean you aren’t swinging down. I am not. So it is certainly a possibility. I just feel the same and set up the same as I do with my 3 wood. I also have a very high ball flight which I think is due to me swinging up/setting up too far forward in my stance (or one of a million other things wrong with my swing) 1 Quote Driver: Epic Flash Sub-Zero Project X HZRDUS Smoke 3 Wood: M6 UST Mamiya Proforce V2 3 Hybrid: M6 UST Mamiya Proforce V2 4 Hybrid : M4 Stock Stiff Shaft Irons: P790 (5I-AW) - 2 deg strong - Nippon Modus3 105 Gram/Stiff 60 Degree Wedge: Vokey SM7 - AMT Black/Stiff 54 Degree Wedge: RTX Zip Core Putter: Sigma G Tyne Putter Ball: ProV1x Tracked by: Link to comment
Kansas King 594 Posted September 1, 2021 Share Posted September 1, 2021 14 hours ago, 9 holes is enough for me said: They say hybrids are easier to hit for the mid-high handicapper and can get more loft. Generally speaking, the bigger the club head, the more forgiving it can be. With hybrids, you get a much larger clubhead than with an iron. This generally means that club designers will pull the center of gravity (COG) back and lower to promote higher launch and use more perimeter weighting on the edge (on an already wider club) to have a much higher MOI than a normal iron. The key thing with forgiving clubs is that they just aren't for higher handicaps, everyone can benefit from additional forgiveness. However, not everyone needs an ultra high launching hybrid, so that is why you see hybrids in every size from a driving iron to near fairway wood size. It's just a matter of finding what works best for you. I will say the key phrase is "what works best" because it's rather rare that a club absolutely doesn't work for someone unless you're using a senior flex shaft and swinging fast enough to hit a 300 yard drive. 1 Quote Link to comment
BostonSal 554 Posted September 1, 2021 Share Posted September 1, 2021 I understand that long irons have always been the most difficult clubs to hit consistently well. My question is this: What makes hybrids preferable to, say, seven and nine woods? I have 21 and 25º metalwoods that are very effective [except that I can't keep them down in wind]. Quote Link to comment
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