9 holes is enough for me Posted August 29, 2021 Share Posted August 29, 2021 I am new to forum. Ive been playing golf for 6 years and have watched to ton of the golf channel academy plus have googled golf instruction big time. For the most part the techniques have NOT been contradictory except -Hitting a Hybrid about half say you should not hit down like a iron but sweep like a wood. The other half say hit down like a iron one even says 3.5 negative degrees. What do you all think. My mid to long fairway is the worst part of my game for sure. Quote Link to comment
CarlH Posted August 29, 2021 Share Posted August 29, 2021 Play it like a long iron. Place it a bit forward in your stance, off the logo of your shirt or your left ear, and swing smoothly. Allow me to rephrase that, as I'm sure others will chime in with a different way.....that's how I play them and it works well for me. Edit: Don't try to kill them. Swing the club rather than hit the ball. GaDawg, Rickp and BH43 3 Quote Driver: Rogue ST Max (10.5* set at -1 and neutral) -- Mitsubishi Tensai Blue 55g R shaft Fairway: Rogue ST Max 3 wood (16.5*) and Heaven Wood (20*)-- Tensai Blue 55g R shaft Hybrids: Rogue ST Max 5H (23*)--Tensai Blue 55g R shaft Irons: Apex CF19 6-9, PW, AW -- KBS Tour Graphite TGI 70 shafts R +1/2 inch 3* upright Wedges: Edison 53* and 57* KBS PGI 80 Graphite +1/2 inch 2* upright Putter: L.A.B. DF 2.1 -- BGT Stability shaft Ball: Maxfli TourX...Golf Bag: Pioneer...Shoes: Hyperflex... Glove: Red Rooster Feather My Photography can be seen at Smugmug Link to comment
BostonSal Posted August 29, 2021 Share Posted August 29, 2021 I remember the very first TaylorMade FireSole Rescue. It was a copper orange color, had a titanium head with a rail sole, and the very best way to play it was to leave it in the trunk. Then I tried Cleveland Halos which were a little bit better but not much. For me, anyway. Eventually I discovered that while hybrids were a godsend for some, in my case, they were an answer to a question never asked. Curiously, I had better luck with utility driving irons.. PRGR made an excellent one early on, and then Dunlop made a blatant knockoff of it for a lot less money. The Mizuno Fli Hi II could have stayed in my bag forever, but I wanted a touch more loft as I got older. Now I've got an Epon. I also got a couple of matching fairway long irons, but that was an expensive and stupid mistake on my part. From the tee, driving irons really take the fear out of tight driving holes if you hit them well. Hybrids, on the other hand, are great for those who hit them better than long irons or high loft woods. That didn't turn out to be me. Larryd3 1 Quote Louisville Golf Persimmon___2, 4, 5, 7-woods; Epon AF-906___driving iron; Titleist T100 5, 6, 7, 8, 9-irons; Titleist T100S___48°; Edison 2.0___53º; Titleist SM-9 (T)___58º; Tad Moore Otto Hackbarth___putter; Titleist Pro V1x___ball Link to comment
9 holes is enough for me Posted August 29, 2021 Author Share Posted August 29, 2021 thanks for replies but I do not have any irons lower than a 6 just hybrid 3 4 5 and 3 wood . still looking for answer to my question on how many degrees I should hit hybrid down or sweep like a wood. I am a mid-high handicapper and having trouble getting good loft on anything under a 7. Thanks Quote Link to comment
GaDawg Posted August 29, 2021 Share Posted August 29, 2021 1 hour ago, 9 holes is enough for me said: thanks for replies but I do not have any irons lower than a 6 just hybrid 3 4 5 and 3 wood . still looking for answer to my question on how many degrees I should hit hybrid down or sweep like a wood. I am a mid-high handicapper and having trouble getting good loft on anything under a 7. Thanks Unless the ball is teed up, you should hit down on it like you would your 6 -7 irons. Personally, there is not a direct answer to your question. You can't go by the degrees on the club, it depends on how the ball is sitting. On a tee, don't hit down. In the fairway, hit down like your 6-7 iron. Tyler86 1 Quote Driver: TSI3 - 10*, Hzrdus Smoke 6.0 Stiff Driver: Stealth Plus - 10.5*, Oban Kiyoshi Purple O4Flex-65 Grams Purred 3 Wood: SIM - 15*, Graphite Design Tour AD DJ5 Stiff Hybrid: TS3 - 19*, Hzrdus Smoke 6.0 Stiff Irons: 5 - PW T150, with Nippon Zelos 7 Reg, 4 iron - U505 with Project X HZRDUS Black Stiff Wedges: Vokey SM 8 - 50*, 60* Standard Wedge Shafts Wedge: Milled Grind 3 MG3 56* S200 shaft Putter: Studio Select Newport 1.5 Putter: Phantom X 5.5 Ball: Pro V1x Link to comment
puttnfool Posted August 29, 2021 Share Posted August 29, 2021 1 hour ago, Riverboat said: Sounds like you would have trouble with an iron swing if you can't get launch on anything longer than a 7, so I would try to sweep them like fairway woods. If that doesn't work, they may not work for you... either check out other hybrids or go the 7, 9, 11 wood route. Definitely nothing wrong with the 7, 9, and maybe even 11 wood route. I have played 7 and 9 woods often over the years. Quote WITB: Taylormade SIM2 Max 9° w/ UST ProForce V2 5F3 @ 45" Callaway Epic Speed 4wd w/ AccuFLEX Evolution Reg Dynacraft Genesis 3 hybrid w/ Steelfiber i95r Srixon ZX5 4-6 and ZX7 7-GW w/ UST Recoil 95 F4 soft stepped once Cleveland RTX Zipcore 54/10 w/ Recoil 95 F4 shaft Cleveland RTX-4 58/03 w/ Recoil 95 F4 9i shaft Odyssey SL EXO Marxman Pondering: Nothing at the moment In the locker: Too much to list Link to comment
cnosil Posted August 29, 2021 Share Posted August 29, 2021 2 hours ago, 9 holes is enough for me said: thanks for replies but I do not have any irons lower than a 6 just hybrid 3 4 5 and 3 wood . still looking for answer to my question on how many degrees I should hit hybrid down or sweep like a wood. I am a mid-high handicapper and having trouble getting good loft on anything under a 7. Thanks Let's say 3.5 - 4 degrees down; bur you also need to realize that most players actually hit down with a wood as well. I'm assuming that you are on a launch monitor measuring this so it is probably just better to work on launch angle to get better at hitting the club. https://blog.trackmangolf.com/trackman-average-tour-stats/ Quote Driver: G400 Max 9* w/ KBS Tour Driven Fairway: TS3 15* w/Project X Hzardous Smoke Hybrids: 915H 21* w/KBS Tour Graphite Hybrid Prototype 915H 24* w/KBS Tour Graphite Hybrid Prototype Irons: TR20V 6-11 w/Vizard TR20-85 Graphite Wedge: 54/12D, 60/8M w/:Accra iWedge 90 Graphite Putter: TM-180 Testing: Backups: Milled Collection RSX 2, mFGP2, Futura 5W Member: MGS Hitsquad since 2017 Link to comment
Hook DeLoft Posted August 30, 2021 Share Posted August 30, 2021 I think the best answer to your question is to experiment. Take a hybrid to the range and try different ball positions. Middle of the stance will encourage a slightly downward strike. Putting the ball closer to your front foot will encourage a sweeping strike. As mentioned above, some hybrids respond better to a downward strike. Some perform better when you sweep it. So much depends on the design of the hybrid. If you hit fairway woods well off the turf, you may be better off sweeping hybrids. If you take a divot with your longer irons, you may hit hybrids better with a downward strife IF the hybrid is designed for that. In general, smaller headed hybrids respond better to a downward strike and large headed hybrids are good for sweepers. Bottom line: find a hybrid that suits your swing. Don’t try to change your swing to suit the hybrid. Larryd3, Kansas King, cnosil and 3 others 6 Quote 14 of the following: Ping G430 Max 10.5 degree Callaway 2023 Big Bertha 3 wood set to 17 degrees Cobra F9 Speedback 7/8 wood set at 23.5 degrees Callaway Epic Max 11 wood Ping Eye 2 BeCu 2-SW Mizuno 923 JPX HM HL 6-GW Hogan sand wedge 56 degree bent to 53 Maltby M Series+ 54 degree Ping Glide 3.0 Eye2 58 degree Ping Glide 3.0 60 degree Evnroll ER2 Ping Sigma 2 Anser Cheap Top Flite mallet putter from Dick's, currently holding down first place in the bag TaylorMade Mini Spider Bridgestone XS Link to comment
Tyler86 Posted August 31, 2021 Share Posted August 31, 2021 As previously stated, its sort of situation specific. But for the most part my 3h i hit more like a fairway and my 5h more like and iron. At least thats my swing thought. Im not a great hybrid player, but its still more consistent than a 3i or 5i for me. Quote Mavrik Max Driver M2 5W 818 hybrids Steelhead XR Irons ZipCore wedges SeeMore PR M7X Link to comment
Kansas King Posted August 31, 2021 Share Posted August 31, 2021 I have a tendency to hit hybrids with a sweeping strike or slightly down on them. However, it really depends on your swing and the hybrid. There are no solid rules in golf that one must swing up or down with any club. Sure, hitting down on the driver may not give optimal results but it can be done. Hitting up or down on a hybrid will give you different results and different situations may require different types of strikes. Off the tee vs. off the fairway into a green are two different situations. Off the tee you may be going for distance and want to strike the ball in a way that maximizes distance while going for the green may necessitate a higher trajectory or higher spinning shot to hold the green. So it really just depends on the shot at hand and as noted above, you just have to experiment a little. Kenny B and cnosil 2 Quote Link to comment
PBH3 Posted August 31, 2021 Share Posted August 31, 2021 Generally speaking I found that there are 2 types of hybrids, smaller heads more like a driving iron and larger heads more like a fairway wood and they are each more successful when swung like their counterparts. It took me a long time to find hybrids that I could consistently hit well, most were snap hook or worm burners, but once I found my current gamers which I swing down on like irons they have been great and far easier than a 3 or 4 iron to hit into greens. Quote Driver- Ping G410 Plus 9* Fairway- Tour Edge Exotics EXS 220 3 Wood 16.5* Hybrid- Tour Edge Hot Launch C521 19* & 22* Irons-PXG 0211 DC, 5-GW Wedges- Sub70 286 54* & Sub70 JB 58* Putter- Ping Sigma G Tyne (Superstroke grip) Ball- Snell MTB-X Maxfli Tour X Grips- Golf Pride CP2 Wrap Midsize Bag- Ping Hoofer USA Edition Arccos Link to comment
9 holes is enough for me Posted September 1, 2021 Author Share Posted September 1, 2021 thanks for replies. They say hybrids are easier to hit for the mid-high handicapper and can get more loft. Like a few of you said I would probably struggle with a low iron. I struggle with the ball position forward of center. Will have more questions and start a new topic sometime on something else but if any of you have any sayings about compressing the ball please let me know . Like for example hitting a long distance out of a fairway bunker "Stand tall top of the ball" that works. Or Gary player in a greenside bunker "light a match" I need one like that for compression on the fairway. GaDawg 1 Quote Link to comment
den748 Posted September 1, 2021 Share Posted September 1, 2021 On 8/29/2021 at 11:44 AM, CarlH said: Swing the club rather than hit the ball. This tip single handedly removed 3 strokes off my handicap. But for the question asked, I hit my hybrids more like a wood. Usually forward in stance and not hitting down on it. Never come close to taking any earth up when swinging. CarlH and Larryd3 2 Quote Driver: Epic Flash Sub-Zero Project X HZRDUS Smoke 3 Wood: M6 UST Mamiya Proforce V2 3 Hybrid: M6 UST Mamiya Proforce V2 4 Hybrid : M4 Stock Stiff Shaft Irons: P790 (5I-AW) - 2 deg strong - Nippon Modus3 105 Gram/Stiff 60 Degree Wedge: Vokey SM7 - AMT Black/Stiff 54 Degree Wedge: RTX Zip Core Putter: Sigma G Tyne Putter Ball: ProV1x Tracked by: Link to comment
cnosil Posted September 1, 2021 Share Posted September 1, 2021 10 minutes ago, den748 said: This tip single handedly removed 3 strokes off my handicap. But for the question asked, I hit my hybrids more like a wood. Usually forward in stance and not hitting down on it. Never come close to taking any earth up when swinging. Have you been on a launch monitor to confirm you aren’t swinging down? Having the low point above the ground doesn’t necessarily mean you aren’t swinging down. Quote Driver: G400 Max 9* w/ KBS Tour Driven Fairway: TS3 15* w/Project X Hzardous Smoke Hybrids: 915H 21* w/KBS Tour Graphite Hybrid Prototype 915H 24* w/KBS Tour Graphite Hybrid Prototype Irons: TR20V 6-11 w/Vizard TR20-85 Graphite Wedge: 54/12D, 60/8M w/:Accra iWedge 90 Graphite Putter: TM-180 Testing: Backups: Milled Collection RSX 2, mFGP2, Futura 5W Member: MGS Hitsquad since 2017 Link to comment
den748 Posted September 1, 2021 Share Posted September 1, 2021 1 minute ago, cnosil said: Have you been on a launch monitor to confirm you aren’t swinging down? Having the low point above the ground doesn’t necessarily mean you aren’t swinging down. I am not. So it is certainly a possibility. I just feel the same and set up the same as I do with my 3 wood. I also have a very high ball flight which I think is due to me swinging up/setting up too far forward in my stance (or one of a million other things wrong with my swing) cnosil 1 Quote Driver: Epic Flash Sub-Zero Project X HZRDUS Smoke 3 Wood: M6 UST Mamiya Proforce V2 3 Hybrid: M6 UST Mamiya Proforce V2 4 Hybrid : M4 Stock Stiff Shaft Irons: P790 (5I-AW) - 2 deg strong - Nippon Modus3 105 Gram/Stiff 60 Degree Wedge: Vokey SM7 - AMT Black/Stiff 54 Degree Wedge: RTX Zip Core Putter: Sigma G Tyne Putter Ball: ProV1x Tracked by: Link to comment
Kansas King Posted September 1, 2021 Share Posted September 1, 2021 14 hours ago, 9 holes is enough for me said: They say hybrids are easier to hit for the mid-high handicapper and can get more loft. Generally speaking, the bigger the club head, the more forgiving it can be. With hybrids, you get a much larger clubhead than with an iron. This generally means that club designers will pull the center of gravity (COG) back and lower to promote higher launch and use more perimeter weighting on the edge (on an already wider club) to have a much higher MOI than a normal iron. The key thing with forgiving clubs is that they just aren't for higher handicaps, everyone can benefit from additional forgiveness. However, not everyone needs an ultra high launching hybrid, so that is why you see hybrids in every size from a driving iron to near fairway wood size. It's just a matter of finding what works best for you. I will say the key phrase is "what works best" because it's rather rare that a club absolutely doesn't work for someone unless you're using a senior flex shaft and swinging fast enough to hit a 300 yard drive. cnosil 1 Quote Link to comment
BostonSal Posted September 1, 2021 Share Posted September 1, 2021 I understand that long irons have always been the most difficult clubs to hit consistently well. My question is this: What makes hybrids preferable to, say, seven and nine woods? I have 21 and 25º metalwoods that are very effective [except that I can't keep them down in wind]. Quote Louisville Golf Persimmon___2, 4, 5, 7-woods; Epon AF-906___driving iron; Titleist T100 5, 6, 7, 8, 9-irons; Titleist T100S___48°; Edison 2.0___53º; Titleist SM-9 (T)___58º; Tad Moore Otto Hackbarth___putter; Titleist Pro V1x___ball Link to comment
Larryd3 Posted September 1, 2021 Share Posted September 1, 2021 10 minutes ago, BostonSal said: I understand that long irons have always been the most difficult clubs to hit consistently well. My question is this: What makes hybrids preferable to, say, seven and nine woods? I have 21 and 25º metalwoods that are very effective [except that I can't keep them down in wind]. I think it comes to personal preference and which one, hybrid or 7 wood you're most comfortable hitting. I've always used hybrids but hit a guys heavenwood (7 wood) a couple times last round and am rethinking it now. going to pick up a mavrik 7 wood and see how it goes. Kansas King and cnosil 2 Quote TM Sim2 Max 10.5 Ping G410 5 wood Ping G410 7 & 9 woods PXG Gen 5 0311P 5-gap PXG forged 54 & 58 wedges PXG Operator H w/ BGT Stability shaft Link to comment
russtopherb Posted September 1, 2021 Share Posted September 1, 2021 37 minutes ago, Larryd3 said: I think it comes to personal preference and which one, hybrid or 7 wood you're most comfortable hitting. I've always used hybrids but hit a guys heavenwood (7 wood) a couple times last round and am rethinking it now. going to pick up a mavrik 7 wood and see how it goes. It's great to have multiple choices at that end of the bag. I'm a Heavenwood fan, and have been for years. I play one of those over a hybrid, as I never really found one that I got along with. I will also say that my swing has improved since my last hybrid attempts, so there's that to keep in mind. But no matter what, the option of going wood/hybrid/iron/driving iron in the longer clubs opens up a lot of options. cnosil and Larryd3 2 Quote In my carry bag: ST-X 10.5* Kai'li Blue R Flex ST-Z 15* Kai/li Blue R Flex ST-Z 4h Linq Blue R Flex Launcher 5h Launcher CBX 6i-PW CBX 54* & 58* Huntington Beach #10 e12 Contact CURRENTLY TESTING - Mizuno Long Game Link to comment
cnosil Posted September 1, 2021 Share Posted September 1, 2021 1 hour ago, BostonSal said: I understand that long irons have always been the most difficult clubs to hit consistently well. My question is this: What makes hybrids preferable to, say, seven and nine woods? I have 21 and 25º metalwoods that are very effective [except that I can't keep them down in wind]. Comparable irons, hybrids, and woods have different characteristics. Generally Irons launch lower, fairway woods launch higher. Spin characteristics are different as well. You also have to look at how well you hit the different clubs in differing lies. Which works best in long rough? How about wind; which you mentioned. selecting any club for you bag is about fulfilling a purpose….distance, launch, spin, etc. BostonSal 1 Quote Driver: G400 Max 9* w/ KBS Tour Driven Fairway: TS3 15* w/Project X Hzardous Smoke Hybrids: 915H 21* w/KBS Tour Graphite Hybrid Prototype 915H 24* w/KBS Tour Graphite Hybrid Prototype Irons: TR20V 6-11 w/Vizard TR20-85 Graphite Wedge: 54/12D, 60/8M w/:Accra iWedge 90 Graphite Putter: TM-180 Testing: Backups: Milled Collection RSX 2, mFGP2, Futura 5W Member: MGS Hitsquad since 2017 Link to comment
kkremio Posted September 6, 2021 Share Posted September 6, 2021 On 8/29/2021 at 4:34 PM, 9 holes is enough for me said: Hitting a Hybrid about half say you should not hit down like a iron but sweep like a wood. The other half say hit down like a iron one even says 3.5 negative degrees. What do you all think. I've found my best consistency with my 5 Hybrid (that gaps with from my 5 iron to my u510) with placing it in just slightly forward of my stance and approaching it like an iron. The only time I ever feel the sensation of "sweeping" the club is hitting it off of the tee. If I'm in two minds about hitting the hybrid and I end up topping it, I tend to fix this by moving the ball back in my stance as it shows I'm releasing way too early and trying to sweep it too much. Try hitting the ball in the middle of your stance with your hybrid the next time you're at the range and work your way forward to find the best position for you! Quote Driver: Cobra RadSpeed XB Woods: Wilson FG Tour 3 Wood Hybrid: Wilson D350 Hybrid Optional Utility: Titleist U510 4 Iron Irons: Cleveland CG7 Tour - Black Pearl/Ping Eye 2 BeCu's (Red Dot) Wedges: Cleveland Tour Action - 53* - Cleveland Byron Nelson BeCu Wedges - 56*, 60* Putter: Cleveland Smart Square - EVNRoll Gravity Grip Ball: Honma D1 Link to comment
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