Rotating spine towards target at setup

[Timmytoe]

What effects would rotating your spine slightly towards the target at setup have?

 

Is your spine rotated towards the target at setup too?

 

What I mean is rotating your sternum so that it's facing your front foot at setup

[CarlH]

You'd have an open alignment of the shoulders.  Not exactly the recipe for solid ball striking.  You'd have to manipulate your swing somehow in order to return it to the ball in a manner to produce decent contact.

[Timmytoe]

12 minutes ago, CarlH said:

You'd have an open alignment of the shoulders.  Not exactly the recipe for solid ball striking.  You'd have to manipulate your swing somehow in order to return it to the ball in a manner to produce decent contact.

And how about the opposite as in having your spine tilted slightly away from the target at setup (so your shirt buttons would be pointing at your rear foot)

 

I'm trying to do something similar to this swing but I'm not sure whether his spine is tilted or straight up

 

 

I know he has forward shaft lean & hip is slightly towards target but I'm wondering if the spine is also tilted at address too

[cnosil]

20 minutes ago, Timmytoe said:

What effects would rotating your spine slightly towards the target at setup have?

Is your spine rotated towards the target at setup too?

What I mean is rotating your sternum so that it's facing your front foot at setup

It is not  your spine that is rotated it would be you shoulders.  Typically the club moves along the shoulders so you would have an out to in path.  Also may result in a steep swing.   You’d probably open your lower body as well. 

[cnosil]

6 minutes ago, Timmytoe said:

And how about the opposite as in having your spine tilted slightly away from the target at setup (so your shirt buttons would be pointing at your rear foot)

 

I'm trying to do something similar to this swing but I'm not sure whether his spine is tilted or straight up

 

 

I know he has forward shaft lean & hip is slightly towards target but I'm wondering if the spine is also tilted at address too

Tilt and rotation are different things.  You also have to consider forward bend.  Most players are tilted away from the target at setup as it help with driver attack angle.  Bryson hits up at about 11* so it would be a pretty good guess he is tilted right as indicated in the  photo below. 
 

[CarlH]

Like @cnosilpointed out, tilt of the spine is totally different from what I thought you were asking about in the original post.  

It is normal to tilt away from the target, at least a minimal amount, simply due to the fact that the lead hand is higher on the grip than the trail hand.  About 5 degrees of tilt is typical.  Without this tilt, one would likely leave their weight on their lead side and probably reverse pivot.  Too much tilt could lead toward losing your shots to the right.  

[Timmytoe]

thanks, is there anyway to know how much tilt you have in your spine without having to watch yourself on a camera, so that you can replicate the exact same amount of tilt each time?

 

What I do is stand up straight, do the side tilt of my spine away from the target then bend over to address the ball but sometimes I tilt too much

[cnosil]

1 hour ago, Timmytoe said:

thanks, is there anyway to know how much tilt you have in your spine without having to watch yourself on a camera, so that you can replicate the exact same amount of tilt each time?

No,  Lots of Practice and mirror/video work so it becomes natural.    How do you know how much shaft lean you have, or ball placement,  knee bend,  wrist bend,  etc.  

[Timmytoe]

when looking at his irons he has forward tilt in his club [this is from 2018 but I don't believe he's changed that, I can't find any more recent front view iron videos] 

 

 

Do you know what's the cause of this? From looking at that picture his wrists are in a straight line so I don't believe he is tilting his wrists to forward press the club 

 

[CarlH]

If you note, it's a wedge in his hand, it's back in his stance, and his head slightly ahead of the ball.  He's not manipulating anything or forcing it...that's just the way the club will align with his body.  

Just curious, but what's your goal here?  Replicate Bryson?

[Timmytoe]

I'd still think he'd forward press no matter what length the iron is  because If you see here on the video in the right [when he still used similar  swing technique for both driver & irons]  he still has almost as much forward press as he did for his iron 

 

40 minutes ago, CarlH said:

If you note, it's a wedge in his hand, it's back in his stance, and his head slightly ahead of the ball.  He's not manipulating anything or forcing it...that's just the way the club will align with his body.  

Just curious, but what's your goal here?  Replicate Bryson?

 

 

Trying to do something like that swing yes, plus even if it's a wedge it still would be 37.5" as all his irons are that length

Edited August 31, 2021 by Timmytoe

[CarlH]

If you're trying to emulate Bryson, you might want to google Natural golf and/or single swing plane.  You'll likely find some better answers to your questions.

[RickyBobby_PR]

Go find a pro and take some lessons. All these threads and questions about Bryson and setup can be accomplished much easier by working with a pro and will save lots of time and energy if working thru learning a swing on your own. Bryson’s swing is unique to Bryson based on what’s he’s trying to accomplish. 

[cnosil]

58 minutes ago, Timmytoe said:

I'd still think he'd forward press no matter what length the iron is  because If you see here on the video in the right [when he still used similar  swing technique for both driver & irons]  he still has almost as much forward press as he did for his iron 

Setup, ball position, and camera angle all influence what you are seeing in pictures and videos.  Camera position is crucial to seeing swing positions and if it is slightly off, you will see the positions incorrectly.  
 

as we have said before and in this thread you really are going about this the wrong way.  You need an instructor that will teach you this swing.  Just moving to specific positions how you create swing mismatches.  

[Kenny B]

Agree with the others here.  Bryson uses a version of a Single Plane Swing.  There are key positions that must be attained at different points in the swing to achieve getting the club on the plane. You can't mix some single plane setup positions with a more standard two-plane setup!! 

I did the single plane swing for several years.  Ball position changes depending on what club you use.  The tilt away from the target is achieved by maintaining a straight line from lead shoulder down arm and club to the ball.  At address, slide lead hip toward target which drops trail shoulder, then bring trail hand to the grip... tilt achieved.  

I suggest looking at the Graves Golf Academy; they teach the Moe Norman golf swing.  Somewhat different than Bryson's swing, but same principles.

[GregGarner]

22 hours ago, cnosil said:

It is not  your spine that is rotated it would be you shoulders.  Typically the club moves along the shoulders so you would have an out to in path.  Also may result in a steep swing.   You’d probably open your lower body as well. 

Now I'm wondering if there is a series of stretches I could do that would allow me to rotate my spine and/or sternum independent of my shoulders