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2 hours ago, cnosil said:

Manufacturing tolerances are great things 😁.  This potential variation applies to every club in the bag.  

I'm sure that that's true, but the irons and wedges are easily adjusted, especially now that we see less super hard stainless than a while back.

I guess with woods and hybrids, you get what you get,

 

 

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4 minutes ago, BostonSal said:

I'm sure that that's true, but the irons and wedges are easily adjusted, especially now that we see less super hard stainless than a while back.

I guess with woods and hybrids, you get what you get,

As long as they are forged they can easily be bent, but anything can be broken.   
 

woods and hybrids can be bent but it takes some talent.  

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31 minutes ago, RickyBobby_PR said:

I heard rumors the media solheim would stamp lower lofts on the drivers to market to the golfers who so a 9* was 11-12* of loft. 

As the story was told on early golf forums, that was the Callaway practice.  Ping began doing that with the TiSI Tec, but they let you know about it with the "Effective Loft" thing.

After that, Ping was apparently aiming for a degree and a half higher than spec as their target.  Or so the story was 16+ years ago.  <shrug>
 

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Just now, NRJyzr said:

As the story was told on early golf forums, that was the Callaway practice.  Ping began doing that with the TiSI Tec, but they let you know about it with the "Effective Loft" thing.

After that, Ping was apparently aiming for a degree and a half higher than spec as their target.  Or so the story was 16+ years ago.  <shrug>
 

Yeah lots of those stories out there and the golfers ego hasn’t changed much over time either 😀

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4 hours ago, RickyBobby_PR said:

I heard rumors the media solheim would stamp lower lofts on the drivers to market to the golfers who so a 9* was 11-12* of loft. 

 

... This is quite factual and part of Ely's genius introducing the Big Bertha. Not only did he purposefully mislabel his heads, he also took a Regular flex shaft and labeled it Firm. This is one of the reasons Big Bertha's were on as much as a 6 month* back order and players were happy to wait. For the first time an average ego driven golfer was hitting his 9* driver with a stiff shaft higher and farther, blissfully unaware he was actually playing a 12* driver with a regular flex shaft. 

* having a 4 year product cycle made the 6 month wait more than tolerable. Ely also protected his supply and demand. While in Chicago I would visit golf stores with zero Big Bertha inventory other than a club or 2 in back waiting to be picked up. I spent a winter in LA for Pilot Season and visited a local shop quite often becoming friends with the owner and one day he showed me his storage area with about 50 Big Bertha's but Ely would only let him sell 10 drivers a month to keep the demand high. The guy was a marketing savant. 

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On 9/17/2021 at 2:26 AM, thefullmonte said:

So I’m thinking first step is to replace current 13.5 3W with a 16.5 (Titleist) or 17 (TM HL)

 

from there is gets dicey.  Thinking a 5 wood is likely dumb.  
 

7W?

2H and 5H?  Like to have something with a little better control into long par 3’s

I have been through the same issues. Went with a 5 wood and have never looked back. 

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3 hours ago, Golfdad12 said:

I have been through the same issues. Went with a 5 wood and have never looked back. 

5 Wood was 100% the right call.  Hitting the s*** out of it and 1000% more consistent than my 3W ever was

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Fairways and hybrids should have a 3 degree loft gap from club to club and irons have a 4 degree gap from club to club.

If the 13.5* fwy. is not easy to hit sell it, "remember LOFT is your friend" !!

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On 9/13/2021 at 11:24 PM, thefullmonte said:

With the driver taken care of, I’m working on retooling the rest of the big sticks in the bag.

I have carried a Ping G 3W (13.5*) for many years, and while the good shots with it are BOMBS…it leaves too much to be desired with consistency.  Essentially, if I’m leaving the driver in the Bag…I darn sure better find a fairway.  
 

From there, it’s a 3H (19*) and then 4 iron.  Both have their good days and bad days.  But primarily concerned that the 3H has the same issue as the 3H:  good ones are BOMBS that make playing partners say “wow,” and way too many that make them go “WTF were you aiming at?”

 

so the goal here is to stop caring as much about distance, and put together a top end of the bag that has at least ONE club I can count on when it’s a low margin of error shot.


Currently considering something like a 5W….then maybe a new Hybrid?  But a 3? 4? 5?

If the Ping 3 fwy is producing bad shots and no confidence; get rid of it.  Start with a 15 degree fairway club.

Getting back to gapping of golf clubs--Fairways and Hybrids should have a 3 degree loft gap from club to club and irons a 4 degree loft gap from club to club

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58 minutes ago, EWPRO said:

Fairways and hybrids should have a 3 degree loft gap from club to club and irons have a 4 degree gap from club to club.

According to who? Some manufactures have 3* gaps in long irons and 4 in short, others have 4&5*
 

For fairway and hybrids loft on the club is nothing more than that. Someone who delivers more dynamic launch at contact will need different degree gapping than someone who delivers less. Also if someone gets a fw from one brand that’s known for hit faces and gets a hybrid from a brand whose design is more about distance control the gap may be larger. Getting fit is the best way to figure out what works. 
 

I was fit into a Ping g410 19* hybrid and g410 17.5* 5w set to 17 with plus 1/2” length because those setups fit my gaps for what I needs from those spots in the bag.

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I’ve been wondering about adding a stronger hybrid the last couple days.  But it’s had for me to imagine hitting that anything close to as well as I have the 5W and 5H the last week.

Is it wise at all to chase 15-20 extra yards on maybe 1-2 holes a week at the risk of something you aren’t nearly as consistent with?

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I was in this same boat… and started tinkering around with a 4w or 5w, different hybrids and all sorts of stuff at the top end of the bag…

then I did a real fitting… and they moved me right back to 3w, 4h, 5 iron and all that actually needed to change was my shafts… got me great yardage, more consistent contact, less dispersion even with a lesss forgiving club head, and better miss hits… don’t tinker too much you’ll save tons of $$ with a good neutral party fitting 

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Found a pic of a digitally measured .9.5* m1 tour driver I have that’s measured at 10.6

 

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One very nice aspect to buying Tour Issue sticks, you know what you're getting in terms of specs.  🙂

 

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1 hour ago, NRJyzr said:

One very nice aspect to buying Tour Issue sticks, you know what you're getting in terms of specs.  🙂

 

Yeah but you also pay a premium price for it. Tour head for drivers are going to be around $700 without a shaft.

i was lucky to get the m1 head last year for a lot less than that.

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Irons: PXG Gen3 0311T w/Nippon modus 120

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