Max Swing Speed Trainer Review and Progress

[Vegan_Golfer_PNW]

4 hours ago, maxswingspeed said:

Hello all, my name is Andrew and I am the inventor of the MaxSwingSpeed trainer. rbsiedsc was kind enough to message me about this thread he started and as long as I'm not breaking any forum/site rules I'd be happy to answer any questions anyone has about the trainer or training programs. 

If there are any issues with me commenting here please let me know and I will remove myself immediately.

Thanks! 

Welcome to the MGS universe of constructive criticism and unbiased data. 

[Vegan_Golfer_PNW]

Start of week 5. Still normal swings protocol. Pre speed was holding around 107. Would be great if that is what I can stick at. Curious where I am at the end of the week. Might need to do SS swings to crank things up a smidge. again soupy out and didn’t have the best of footing. Dare I risk swinging on the sidewalk? Definitely would not do driver swings. Don’t want to destroy my baby. 
 

Week 5
11/15
Pre	108	108	108	106		107.5
1	111	111				111
2	94	115				104.5
3	109	112				110.5
4	106	104				105
5	103	102				102.5
1	116	107	113	104	112	110.4
post	111	111	110	109		110.25

[Vegan_Golfer_PNW]

Blustery 38* this morning. The cold never bothered me anyway. In a groove. Swing also feels more effortless despite the speed gains. Really need to see how this corresponds on the range and course soon. Pre Speed holding steady. The added benefit with this aid, you get like 30s-1min break swapping weights. i think that leads to more meaningful reps.

 

11/17
Pre	107	108	109	104		107
1	118	113				115.5
2	110	112				111
3	107	111				109
4	105	106				105.5
5	104	104				104
1	119	117	113	117	118	116.8
post	111	110	112	111		111

[Vegan_Golfer_PNW]

End of week 5. I think it is time for me to move to Side step movements as my SS seems topped out. Pre and Post speed roughly the same. Maybe i do the Side step for 2-4 more weeks, then take a break and go to fit for golf. This trainer has been great and highly recommend for the price point! Plus Black Friday is coming, I am sure a deal i around the corner.

11/19
Pre	107	109	110	110		109
1	121	118				119.5
2	116	114				115
3	111	110				110.5
4	106	106				106
5	103	103				103
1	114	117	114	114	116	115
post	108	111	106	111		109

 

Weekly average comparisons

	Week 1 avg		Week 2 avg		Week 3 avg		Week 4		Week 5
Pre driver	91.61111111	Pre driver	98.83333333	Pre	100.5	Pre driver	99.33333333	Pre driver	107.8333333
1 weight	86.33333333	1 weight	109.5	1	99.83333333	1 weight	108.5	1 weight	115.3333333
2	85	2	106.8333333	Ss1	99.33333333	2	104.5	2	110.1666667
3	75.16666667	3	103.5	2	102.1666667	3	93.5	3	110
4	88.16666667	4	99.5	Ss2	97	4	103.5	4	105.5
5	86.83333333	5	99.83333333	3	99.83333333	5	95.16666667	5	103.1666667
1 weight	91.4	1 weight	112.4	Ss3	103	1 weight	113.0666667	1 weight	114.0666667
Post driver	96.58333333	Post driver	106.6666667	4	93	Post driver	107.3333333	Post driver	110.0833333
				Ss4	92.66666667
				5	97.33333333
				Ss5	97.66666667
				1	102.3333333
				Ss1	102.8666667
				Post	106.6666667

 

[Vegan_Golfer_PNW]

Feel like I am maxing out. Moved to SS addition today. Maybe I’m not sequencing enough or what. Pre speed is staying pretty consistent. Will keep up for 4 weeks then do Maintenence once a week for 12 weeks while I do Fit for Golf

Week 6
Nov 22
Pre	109	105	111	107		108
1	113	113				113
Ss1	112	113				112.5
2	109	111				110
Ss2	106	111				108.5
3	108	106				107
Ss3	97	97				97
4	106	80				93
Ss4	90	101				95.5
5	102					102
Ss5	95	92				93.5
1	113	114	110	110	114	112.2
Ss1		111	107	109	109	109
Post	102	110	112			108

 

[Vegan_Golfer_PNW]

Day after a booster, so a little sore and tired. Still a good session. The sequencing of the SS swings is starting to come along. I am very excited to get out to the course Saturday to see how my on course performance is. One benefit I have noticed with the trainer is my swing sequence overall feels better. I feel smooth now instead of violent or choppy. I also feel more ground force through out my swing. Once thing I might consider doing is adjusting protocols to cut my swings in half. Although my final swings were faster, I was feeling pretty gassed.

 

Nov 24
Pre	107	106	94	107		103.5
1	107	114				110.5
Ss1	114	108				111
2	95	114				104.5
Ss2	110	106				108
3	108	105				106.5
Ss3		103				103
4	90					90
Ss4	102	105				103.5
5	100	90				95
Ss5	89	98				93.5
1	95	115		114	111	108.75
Ss1	95	119	106	108	119	109.4
Post	111	111	110	111		110.75

[Vegan_Golfer_PNW]

Week 6. Actually made slight gains on all my swings today. Overall compared to 3 weeks ago when I started the SS protocol I gained quite a bit. Felt like I needed to put more effort in today. I call it a holiday hangover from too much food. Course tomorrow to see if gains are true. Overall pre driver swing dipped this week but post swings gained despite fatigue. 
 

Nov 26
Pre	88		103		108	99.66666667
1	107	107				107
Ss1	114	113				113.5
2	109	112				110.5
Ss2	111	113				112
3	106	109				107.5
Ss3	108	108				108
4	102	101				101.5
Ss4	102	104				103
5	101	99				100
Ss5	98	99				98.5
1	115	118	120	112	117	116.4
Ss1	118	119	119	116	119	118.2
Post	103	112	112	107	112	109.2

averages by week

	Week 1 avg		Week 2 avg		Week 3 avg		Week 4		Week 5		Week 6 avg
Pre driver	91.61111111	Pre driver	98.83333333	Pre	100.5	Pre driver	99.33333333	Pre driver	107.8333333	Pre	103.7222222
1 weight	86.33333333	1 weight	109.5	1	99.83333333	1 weight	108.5	1 weight	115.3333333	1	110.1666667
2	85	2	106.8333333	Ss1	99.33333333	2	104.5	2	110.1666667	Ss1	112.3333333
3	75.16666667	3	103.5	2	102.1666667	3	93.5	3	110	2	108.3333333
4	88.16666667	4	99.5	Ss2	97	4	103.5	4	105.5	Ss2	109.5
5	86.83333333	5	99.83333333	3	99.83333333	5	95.16666667	5	103.1666667	3	107
1 weight	91.4	1 weight	112.4	Ss3	103	1 weight	113.0666667	1 weight	114.0666667	Ss3	102.6666667
Post driver	96.58333333	Post driver	106.6666667	4	93	Post driver	107.3333333	Post driver	110.0833333	4	94.83333333
				Ss4	92.66666667					Ss4	100.6666667
				5	97.33333333					5	99
				Ss5	97.66666667					Ss5	95.16666667
				1	102.3333333					1	112.45
				Ss1	102.8666667					Ss1	112.2
				Post	106.6666667					Post	109.3166667

[Vegan_Golfer_PNW]

Gonna take 4 weeks off. Focus on getting strong with Fit for Golf then resume. I think my body needs more strength to see safer gains. 
 

I will get a review out this week. One word about this product: Legit!

[Vegan_Golfer_PNW]

Sorry no review yet. Started a new job and with life things got delayed. Did do a check in today. Last three weeks been doing fit for golf exclusively.

Pre speed back to old baseline. Ramping up though, on the last 5 light swings i was able to top 120+. Might try to implement this once a week as maintenance and then pick it up in February or March hardcore before the season.

 

12/16 check in
Pre	102	101	104	102		102.25
1	115	113				114
2	114	113				113.5
3	112	113				112.5
4	107	108				107.5
5	102	104				103
1	116	122	119	117	116	118
post	111	112	111	112		111.5

[Vegan_Golfer_PNW]

For giggles and grins, i did both sides today. Would have been hilarious if my neighbors watched me swing left handed.  Several mis-reads today due to having to move my radar back and forth switching sides

12/20/21
Pre	106	108	107	107		107
1R	112	116				114
1L	47	73				60
2R		113				113
2L		77				77
3R	106					106
3L	60	49				54.5
4R		104				104
4L		83				83
5R		100				100
5L	76	77				76.5
1	108	116	115	116	115	114
post	105	106	109	108		107

[Vegan_Golfer_PNW]

Implemented the super speed protocol into this aid. Saw a huge jump actually. I think going forward I’ll do the SS protocols. First time avg on light stick above 120!!

 

12/23 SS level 1
Pre	106	109	108	106		107.25
1R	108	116	113			112.3333333
1L	56	101	95			84
3R	Miss	Miss	101			101
3L	84	83	85			84
5R	96	107	Miss			101.5
5L	88	87	87			87.33333333
1RSs	122	Miss	Miss			122
1Lss	79	100	76			85
3Rss	110	107	109			108.6666667
3Lss	98	92	96			95.33333333
5Rss	90	93	94			92.33333333
5Lss	Miss	89	88			88.5
1R max	123	124	120	123	121	122.2
Post	115	115	114	116		115

[Vegan_Golfer_PNW]

Onto week two doing SS protocols. This is my mid week session. Seeing a 5mph bump pre to post again. The less swings of the SS protocol are very energy saving. I should note the pre and post driver swings are choking down to about 44” in length. Will do a length contact self fitting next time I’m at the range to see if shorter truly helps with this set up. So far I haven’t minded the long length with the rdx blue. Although, all this training means I’ll likely have to bump my flex up to keep spin control. 
 

12/29 SS level 1
Pre	108	110	106	102		106.5
1R	115	114	113			114
1L	90	99	95			94.66666667
3R	108	112	112			110.6666667
3L	Miss	89	96			92.5
5R	102	103	105			103.3333333
5L	85	87	90			87.33333333
1RSs	121	116	122			119.6666667
1Lss	105	96	107			102.6666667
3Rss	110	112	112			111.3333333
3Lss	Miss	99	Miss			99
5Rss	105	105	105			105
5Lss	92	85	87			88
1R max	122	121	106	121	121	118.2
Post	114	113	114	111		113

[Keko220]

Hello VG,

 

I just received my MSS and started the protocols today.  from reading your posts it seems like its legit and 

I'm looking forward to seeing results come golf season. I'm also currently doing FFG on M-W-F and will be

implementing the SS in between workout days.  I'm going to try and get swing speed numbers with my SC200

and see if it registers the swing speeds.  Hope our efforts show on the golf course in a few months.

 

Kekoe220 

[Vegan_Golfer_PNW]

1 minute ago, Keko220 said:

Hello VG,

 

I just received my MSS and started the protocols today.  from reading your posts it seems like its legit and 

I'm looking forward to seeing results come golf season. I'm also currently doing FFG on M-W-F and will be

implementing the SS in between workout days.  I'm going to try and get swing speed numbers with my SC200

and see if it registers the swing speeds.  Hope our efforts show on the golf course in a few months.

 

Kekoe220 

awesome! Feel free to tag on to this as well with your data

[Keko220]

5 minutes ago, Vegan_Golfer_PNW said:

awesome! Feel free to tag on to this as well with your data

I will try my best.  Haven't been on here in a while.  lol

[Vegan_Golfer_PNW]

Hit 113 on a pre swing yesterday and twice hit 115 on post training driver swings. Really curious to see what sticks come end of February. 

[Vegan_Golfer_PNW]

Big gain to start week 3 of super speed protocols. Almost hit 130 mph on light weight. 
 

1/3/22 SS level 1
Pre	109	111	111			110.3333333
1R	108	108	109			108.3333333
1L	Miss	91	99			95
3R	111	111	111			111
3L	Miss	Miss	Miss			#DIV/0!
5R	104	103	103			103.3333333
5L	Miss	87	85			86
1RSs	125	127	114			122
1Lss	106	106	100			104
3Rss	100	113	113			108.6666667
3Lss	97	94	89			93.33333333
5Rss	102	102	105			103
5Lss	87	85	86			86
1R max	126	127	128			127
Post	113	115	115			114.3333333

[Vegan_Golfer_PNW]

Went outside for swings today vs the gym. My pre and post speeds were faster. I presume from better ground interaction with spikes. interestingly, my Non dominant swings are slower outside than indoors.
 

Anyways, progress still good. Two more weeks of SS L1 then off to level 2. Speed may dip a little now that I can push the FFG winter strength program harder having a gym membership. 
 

1/09 SS level 1
Pre	108	111	110			109.6666667
1R	120	119	125			121.3333333
1L	85	88	84			85.66666667
3R	115	114	115			114.6666667
3L	86	86	Miss			86
5R	106	96	105			102.3333333
5L	84	81	79			81.33333333
1RSs	124	122	104			116.6666667
1Lss	104	101	109			104.6666667
3Rss	115	Miss	109			112
3Lss	90	87	88			88.33333333
5Rss	Miss	Miss	104			104
5Lss	77	83	70			76.66666667
1R max	121	113	121	121	120	119.2
Post	116	111	112	114		113.25

[Vegan_Golfer_PNW]

Haven't posted in a while. My pre SS now is hovering around 111 mph and post swings are around 115. 2 more weeks of protocols then go into maintenance mode. FFG also has ~6 more weeks left. Will see where i am after protocols and then again after FFG winter program.

[3JackCity]

Love seeing your progress. Never had seen this tool until now. With the new revisions to Super Speed Protocols I am considering doing them with my Rypstick. Just recently started the Fit For Golf off season program about a week ago and am enjoying it so far. Definitely going to keep tab on this thread!

[Vegan_Golfer_PNW]

So I am about to start the next round of SS protocols with this trainer, I am also transitioning into the In season power routine on FFG from the Winter program. Did my last maintenance run today on SS protocols. Here are how my Pre swing speed averages stack up.

 

Last Maintenance run Pre-swing speed. Overall a 3 mph gain has stuck (this speed is close to where i was on post  training swings most the time). Along with my muscles not being sore from lifting, i am super impressed with my results. Give this and FFG a try. It makes golf way more enjoyable.

112,25 MPH

Prior pre speed averages

Total (The the programs below basically over 17 weeks	105.1212963
Max SS	100.3055556
Lvl 1	107.6027778
Lvl 2	109.2430556

[Vegan_Golfer_PNW]

Touched 115 today messing around in my yard. It’s all coming together. 

[JFish350]

Keep up with up dates, I am looking into this, but I feel my driver swing is out of whack right now AGAIN. I am told I don't need more speed. I had a pro tell me my handicap doesn't fit my swing, should be single digit. There are other reasons I'm at 15 as well. 

[Vegan_Golfer_PNW]

1 hour ago, JFish350 said:

Keep up with up dates, I am looking into this, but I feel my driver swing is out of whack right now AGAIN. I am told I don't need more speed. I had a pro tell me my handicap doesn't fit my swing, should be single digit. There are other reasons I'm at 15 as well. 

Will do. I haven’t done much since I was in the maintenance phase. Will likely kick it up in a couple weeks. Non ball golf swings with driver I can get up to 115 with a 44.5” shaft

[BMart519]

19 hours ago, Vegan_Golfer_PNW said:

Will do. I haven’t done much since I was in the maintenance phase. Will likely kick it up in a couple weeks. Non ball golf swings with driver I can get up to 115 with a 44.5” shaft

Have you been taking any lessons over the winter? It would be interesting to see how your handicap changes with the added speed assuming you can isolate it from major swing changes (ignoring general improvement work indoors). 

Great work staying committed to this over the winter. I started strong but have really stalled between vacations/injuries and have only been able to maintain speed using the Stack. Now that the weather has broken, I am spending most practice time chipping in the yard until the courses open and green up. 

[Vegan_Golfer_PNW]

3 minutes ago, BMart519 said:

Have you been taking any lessons over the winter? It would be interesting to see how your handicap changes with the added speed assuming you can isolate it from major swing changes (ignoring general improvement work indoors). 

Great work staying committed to this over the winter. I started strong but have really stalled between vacations/injuries and have only been able to maintain speed using the Stack. Now that the weather has broken, I am spending most practice time chipping in the yard until the courses open and green up. 

Thanks. It was a challenge but did it! So I did have two 9 hole rounds prior to getting Skillest lessons. No SG data but my avg driver distance was much closer to 270 (mostly carry). My SS with the new shaft help a lot. My first 18 is tomorrow if the snow melts. I’d also be 2.5 weeks into a lesson so things might be a wash. The lesson is mainly for my iron play but I know it will translate everywhere. With the lesson work getting my speed feels like less effort so I feel I can go even faster with more work thinking about my swing setup. 
 

my big issue now is, with the season here, do I focus on FFG more and actual golf/practice and keep with the maintenance program or so I go full next level SS training and try to use my swing work in that training for my practice?

[BMart519]

15 minutes ago, Vegan_Golfer_PNW said:

Thanks. It was a challenge but did it! So I did have two 9 hole rounds prior to getting Skillest lessons. No SG data but my avg driver distance was much closer to 270 (mostly carry). My SS with the new shaft help a lot. My first 18 is tomorrow if the snow melts. I’d also be 2.5 weeks into a lesson so things might be a wash. The lesson is mainly for my iron play but I know it will translate everywhere. With the lesson work getting my speed feels like less effort so I feel I can go even faster with more work thinking about my swing setup. 
 

my big issue now is, with the season here, do I focus on FFG more and actual golf/practice and keep with the maintenance program or so I go full next level SS training and try to use my swing work in that training for my practice?

I signed up for a lesson package this winter from an instructor who still plays high level golf - already qualified for the RBC Canadian Open on the PGA tour. Since short game is one of my greatest weaknesses, I asked about his tournament prep, practice routines and general advice for seasonal golfers. (His facility is indoors, not ideal for short game lessons)

His feedback was each season begins with additional short game work: hitting a few sand shots so the first ones aren't on the course, getting his feel back for high/low shots and judging runout on chips/pitches and reaction to slopes. I looked at your stats last year and would recommend you consider the same. If you cannot play year round, I would prioritize playing which is among the fastest ways to lower scores and enjoy all the work you have put in. 

If you are cooped up in the winter it is a great time to prioritize speed training and weights. Get out and enjoy the game and weather! 

Average driving distance for scratch golfers is around 250 yards including all shots. If you can hit it 270-280 off the tee, distance is no longer the problem if your handicap is above 10. It's quality of contact on full swings (duffs, penalties) and short game holding you back. My distance is similar to yours since I'm at elevation and a bit slower. My SG info has me around 3 HCP off the tee, 10 HCP approach, 15 HCP short game, and 20 HCP putting. My overall handicap is 11.0 right now... I'm working on getting short game and putting closer to a 10HCP as opposed to scratch on full swing to get me into single digits. 

[Vegan_Golfer_PNW]

Haven’t posted in a while but have been back to speed training for a month. Up to 108 on pre swings and 115 post. Have two more weeks until maintenance mode. 

[GolfSpy_KFT]

On 9/7/2022 at 10:57 AM, Vegan_Golfer_PNW said:

Haven’t posted in a while but have been back to speed training for a month. Up to 108 on pre swings and 115 post. Have two more weeks until maintenance mode. 

Was just about to ask this question. Have you seen the speed gains maintain since going through the program? This is something that I have been researching a bit as I would love to get to the coveted 300 yard driving distance. I've hit 300 a few random (100% luck times) and typically am around the 275 total distance range. My swing speed is in the 100-105 range and I don't have to try hard to get that speed. Would really love to climb to the 110-115 range!

[Vegan_Golfer_PNW]

Just now, Jnoble89 said:

Was just about to ask this question. Have you seen the speed gains maintain since going through the program? This is something that I have been researching a bit as I would love to get to the coveted 300 yard driving distance. I've hit 300 a few random (100% luck times) and typically am around the 275 total distance range. My swing speed is in the 100-105 range and I don't have to try hard to get that speed. Would really love to climb to the 110-115 range!

Totally. I will say, Before starting training my avg distance total was about 260. According to SS, I am now around 290. YMMV. The one thing i don't like about this product is the prgr struggles at times to pick it up, especially the single weight swings