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Implemented the super speed protocol into this aid. Saw a huge jump actually. I think going forward I’ll do the SS protocols. First time avg on light stick above 120!!

 

12/23 SS level 1            
Pre 106 109 108 106   107.25
1R 108 116 113     112.3333333
1L 56 101 95     84
3R Miss Miss 101     101
3L 84 83 85     84
5R 96 107 Miss     101.5
5L 88 87 87     87.33333333
1RSs 122 Miss Miss     122
1Lss 79 100 76     85
3Rss 110 107 109     108.6666667
3Lss 98 92 96     95.33333333
5Rss 90 93 94     92.33333333
5Lss Miss 89 88     88.5
1R max 123 124 120 123 121 122.2
Post 115 115 114 116   115

Driver: :callaway-small:   Epic Max LS :Fuji:Ventus Black 6x 44.5"

2H: :callaway-small: Super Hybrid with Tensei Orange Pro Hyb 80 Stiff 

3H: :Sub70: 939X UST proforce V2 black F5 hybrid soft stepped

4-AW: th.jpg.d6e2abdaeb04f007fd259c979f389de6.jpg  0211  with KBS Tour Stiff 2.5* up 1/4" long Unofficial Review

Wedges     :cleveland-small: Zipcore Tour Rack 54/full and 58/mid (review here)  (Backup 54*,60*: :ping-small:  S Tour KBS Tour Stiff 3* up)

Putter: :scotty-cameron-1:2021 Phantom X5 35" (Backup: :1332069271_TommyArmour:TAIII #2  Review here: TAIII Impact #2 Putter )

Ball:  :titelist-small: proV1  (back up balls :titleist-small:ProV1 Left Dot, :Snell:MTB-X, :OnCore:Vero X1, :callaway-small:CS X LS)

 

 

 

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Onto week two doing SS protocols. This is my mid week session. Seeing a 5mph bump pre to post again. The less swings of the SS protocol are very energy saving. I should note the pre and post driver swings are choking down to about 44” in length. Will do a length contact self fitting next time I’m at the range to see if shorter truly helps with this set up. So far I haven’t minded the long length with the rdx blue. Although, all this training means I’ll likely have to bump my flex up to keep spin control. 
 

12/29 SS level 1            
Pre 108 110 106 102   106.5
1R 115 114 113     114
1L 90 99 95     94.66666667
3R 108 112 112     110.6666667
3L Miss 89 96     92.5
5R 102 103 105     103.3333333
5L 85 87 90     87.33333333
1RSs 121 116 122     119.6666667
1Lss 105 96 107     102.6666667
3Rss 110 112 112     111.3333333
3Lss Miss 99 Miss     99
5Rss 105 105 105     105
5Lss 92 85 87     88
1R max 122 121 106 121 121 118.2
Post 114 113 114 111   113

Driver: :callaway-small:   Epic Max LS :Fuji:Ventus Black 6x 44.5"

2H: :callaway-small: Super Hybrid with Tensei Orange Pro Hyb 80 Stiff 

3H: :Sub70: 939X UST proforce V2 black F5 hybrid soft stepped

4-AW: th.jpg.d6e2abdaeb04f007fd259c979f389de6.jpg  0211  with KBS Tour Stiff 2.5* up 1/4" long Unofficial Review

Wedges     :cleveland-small: Zipcore Tour Rack 54/full and 58/mid (review here)  (Backup 54*,60*: :ping-small:  S Tour KBS Tour Stiff 3* up)

Putter: :scotty-cameron-1:2021 Phantom X5 35" (Backup: :1332069271_TommyArmour:TAIII #2  Review here: TAIII Impact #2 Putter )

Ball:  :titelist-small: proV1  (back up balls :titleist-small:ProV1 Left Dot, :Snell:MTB-X, :OnCore:Vero X1, :callaway-small:CS X LS)

 

 

 

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Hello VG,

 

I just received my MSS and started the protocols today.  from reading your posts it seems like its legit and 

I'm looking forward to seeing results come golf season. I'm also currently doing FFG on M-W-F and will be

implementing the SS in between workout days.  I'm going to try and get swing speed numbers with my SC200

and see if it registers the swing speeds.  Hope our efforts show on the golf course in a few months.

 

Kekoe220 

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1 minute ago, Keko220 said:

Hello VG,

 

I just received my MSS and started the protocols today.  from reading your posts it seems like its legit and 

I'm looking forward to seeing results come golf season. I'm also currently doing FFG on M-W-F and will be

implementing the SS in between workout days.  I'm going to try and get swing speed numbers with my SC200

and see if it registers the swing speeds.  Hope our efforts show on the golf course in a few months.

 

Kekoe220 

awesome! Feel free to tag on to this as well with your data

Driver: :callaway-small:   Epic Max LS :Fuji:Ventus Black 6x 44.5"

2H: :callaway-small: Super Hybrid with Tensei Orange Pro Hyb 80 Stiff 

3H: :Sub70: 939X UST proforce V2 black F5 hybrid soft stepped

4-AW: th.jpg.d6e2abdaeb04f007fd259c979f389de6.jpg  0211  with KBS Tour Stiff 2.5* up 1/4" long Unofficial Review

Wedges     :cleveland-small: Zipcore Tour Rack 54/full and 58/mid (review here)  (Backup 54*,60*: :ping-small:  S Tour KBS Tour Stiff 3* up)

Putter: :scotty-cameron-1:2021 Phantom X5 35" (Backup: :1332069271_TommyArmour:TAIII #2  Review here: TAIII Impact #2 Putter )

Ball:  :titelist-small: proV1  (back up balls :titleist-small:ProV1 Left Dot, :Snell:MTB-X, :OnCore:Vero X1, :callaway-small:CS X LS)

 

 

 

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Hit 113 on a pre swing yesterday and twice hit 115 on post training driver swings. Really curious to see what sticks come end of February. 

Driver: :callaway-small:   Epic Max LS :Fuji:Ventus Black 6x 44.5"

2H: :callaway-small: Super Hybrid with Tensei Orange Pro Hyb 80 Stiff 

3H: :Sub70: 939X UST proforce V2 black F5 hybrid soft stepped

4-AW: th.jpg.d6e2abdaeb04f007fd259c979f389de6.jpg  0211  with KBS Tour Stiff 2.5* up 1/4" long Unofficial Review

Wedges     :cleveland-small: Zipcore Tour Rack 54/full and 58/mid (review here)  (Backup 54*,60*: :ping-small:  S Tour KBS Tour Stiff 3* up)

Putter: :scotty-cameron-1:2021 Phantom X5 35" (Backup: :1332069271_TommyArmour:TAIII #2  Review here: TAIII Impact #2 Putter )

Ball:  :titelist-small: proV1  (back up balls :titleist-small:ProV1 Left Dot, :Snell:MTB-X, :OnCore:Vero X1, :callaway-small:CS X LS)

 

 

 

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Big gain to start week 3 of super speed protocols. Almost hit 130 mph on light weight. 
 

             
1/3/22 SS level 1
           
Pre 109 111 111     110.3333333
1R 108 108 109     108.3333333
1L Miss 91 99     95
3R 111 111 111     111
3L Miss Miss Miss     #DIV/0!
5R 104 103 103     103.3333333
5L Miss 87 85     86
1RSs 125 127 114     122
1Lss 106 106 100     104
3Rss 100 113 113     108.6666667
3Lss 97 94 89     93.33333333
5Rss 102 102 105     103
5Lss 87 85 86     86
1R max 126 127 128     127
Post 113 115 115     114.3333333
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Driver: :callaway-small:   Epic Max LS :Fuji:Ventus Black 6x 44.5"

2H: :callaway-small: Super Hybrid with Tensei Orange Pro Hyb 80 Stiff 

3H: :Sub70: 939X UST proforce V2 black F5 hybrid soft stepped

4-AW: th.jpg.d6e2abdaeb04f007fd259c979f389de6.jpg  0211  with KBS Tour Stiff 2.5* up 1/4" long Unofficial Review

Wedges     :cleveland-small: Zipcore Tour Rack 54/full and 58/mid (review here)  (Backup 54*,60*: :ping-small:  S Tour KBS Tour Stiff 3* up)

Putter: :scotty-cameron-1:2021 Phantom X5 35" (Backup: :1332069271_TommyArmour:TAIII #2  Review here: TAIII Impact #2 Putter )

Ball:  :titelist-small: proV1  (back up balls :titleist-small:ProV1 Left Dot, :Snell:MTB-X, :OnCore:Vero X1, :callaway-small:CS X LS)

 

 

 

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Went outside for swings today vs the gym. My pre and post speeds were faster. I presume from better ground interaction with spikes. interestingly, my Non dominant swings are slower outside than indoors.
 

Anyways, progress still good. Two more weeks of SS L1 then off to level 2. Speed may dip a little now that I can push the FFG winter strength program harder having a gym membership. 
 

1/09 SS level 1            
Pre 108 111 110     109.6666667
1R 120 119 125     121.3333333
1L 85 88 84     85.66666667
3R 115 114 115     114.6666667
3L 86 86 Miss     86
5R 106 96 105     102.3333333
5L 84 81 79     81.33333333
1RSs 124 122 104     116.6666667
1Lss 104 101 109     104.6666667
3Rss 115 Miss 109     112
3Lss 90 87 88     88.33333333
5Rss Miss Miss 104     104
5Lss 77 83 70     76.66666667
1R max 121 113 121 121 120 119.2
Post 116 111 112 114   113.25

Driver: :callaway-small:   Epic Max LS :Fuji:Ventus Black 6x 44.5"

2H: :callaway-small: Super Hybrid with Tensei Orange Pro Hyb 80 Stiff 

3H: :Sub70: 939X UST proforce V2 black F5 hybrid soft stepped

4-AW: th.jpg.d6e2abdaeb04f007fd259c979f389de6.jpg  0211  with KBS Tour Stiff 2.5* up 1/4" long Unofficial Review

Wedges     :cleveland-small: Zipcore Tour Rack 54/full and 58/mid (review here)  (Backup 54*,60*: :ping-small:  S Tour KBS Tour Stiff 3* up)

Putter: :scotty-cameron-1:2021 Phantom X5 35" (Backup: :1332069271_TommyArmour:TAIII #2  Review here: TAIII Impact #2 Putter )

Ball:  :titelist-small: proV1  (back up balls :titleist-small:ProV1 Left Dot, :Snell:MTB-X, :OnCore:Vero X1, :callaway-small:CS X LS)

 

 

 

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Haven't posted in a while. My pre SS now is hovering around 111 mph and post swings are around 115. 2 more weeks of protocols then go into maintenance mode. FFG also has ~6 more weeks left. Will see where i am after protocols and then again after FFG winter program.

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Driver: :callaway-small:   Epic Max LS :Fuji:Ventus Black 6x 44.5"

2H: :callaway-small: Super Hybrid with Tensei Orange Pro Hyb 80 Stiff 

3H: :Sub70: 939X UST proforce V2 black F5 hybrid soft stepped

4-AW: th.jpg.d6e2abdaeb04f007fd259c979f389de6.jpg  0211  with KBS Tour Stiff 2.5* up 1/4" long Unofficial Review

Wedges     :cleveland-small: Zipcore Tour Rack 54/full and 58/mid (review here)  (Backup 54*,60*: :ping-small:  S Tour KBS Tour Stiff 3* up)

Putter: :scotty-cameron-1:2021 Phantom X5 35" (Backup: :1332069271_TommyArmour:TAIII #2  Review here: TAIII Impact #2 Putter )

Ball:  :titelist-small: proV1  (back up balls :titleist-small:ProV1 Left Dot, :Snell:MTB-X, :OnCore:Vero X1, :callaway-small:CS X LS)

 

 

 

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Love seeing your progress. Never had seen this tool until now. With the new revisions to Super Speed Protocols I am considering doing them with my Rypstick. Just recently started the Fit For Golf off season program about a week ago and am enjoying it so far. Definitely going to keep tab on this thread!

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So I am about to start the next round of SS protocols with this trainer, I am also transitioning into the In season power routine on FFG from the Winter program. Did my last maintenance run today on SS protocols. Here are how my Pre swing speed averages stack up.

 

Last Maintenance run Pre-swing speed. Overall a 3 mph gain has stuck (this speed is close to where i was on post  training swings most the time). Along with my muscles not being sore from lifting, i am super impressed with my results. Give this and FFG a try. It makes golf way more enjoyable.

112,25 MPH

Prior pre speed averages

Total (The the programs below basically over 17 weeks 105.1212963
Max SS 100.3055556
Lvl 1 107.6027778
Lvl 2

109.2430556

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Driver: :callaway-small:   Epic Max LS :Fuji:Ventus Black 6x 44.5"

2H: :callaway-small: Super Hybrid with Tensei Orange Pro Hyb 80 Stiff 

3H: :Sub70: 939X UST proforce V2 black F5 hybrid soft stepped

4-AW: th.jpg.d6e2abdaeb04f007fd259c979f389de6.jpg  0211  with KBS Tour Stiff 2.5* up 1/4" long Unofficial Review

Wedges     :cleveland-small: Zipcore Tour Rack 54/full and 58/mid (review here)  (Backup 54*,60*: :ping-small:  S Tour KBS Tour Stiff 3* up)

Putter: :scotty-cameron-1:2021 Phantom X5 35" (Backup: :1332069271_TommyArmour:TAIII #2  Review here: TAIII Impact #2 Putter )

Ball:  :titelist-small: proV1  (back up balls :titleist-small:ProV1 Left Dot, :Snell:MTB-X, :OnCore:Vero X1, :callaway-small:CS X LS)

 

 

 

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Touched 115 today messing around in my yard. It’s all coming together. 

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Driver: :callaway-small:   Epic Max LS :Fuji:Ventus Black 6x 44.5"

2H: :callaway-small: Super Hybrid with Tensei Orange Pro Hyb 80 Stiff 

3H: :Sub70: 939X UST proforce V2 black F5 hybrid soft stepped

4-AW: th.jpg.d6e2abdaeb04f007fd259c979f389de6.jpg  0211  with KBS Tour Stiff 2.5* up 1/4" long Unofficial Review

Wedges     :cleveland-small: Zipcore Tour Rack 54/full and 58/mid (review here)  (Backup 54*,60*: :ping-small:  S Tour KBS Tour Stiff 3* up)

Putter: :scotty-cameron-1:2021 Phantom X5 35" (Backup: :1332069271_TommyArmour:TAIII #2  Review here: TAIII Impact #2 Putter )

Ball:  :titelist-small: proV1  (back up balls :titleist-small:ProV1 Left Dot, :Snell:MTB-X, :OnCore:Vero X1, :callaway-small:CS X LS)

 

 

 

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Keep up with up dates, I am looking into this, but I feel my driver swing is out of whack right now AGAIN. I am told I don't need more speed. I had a pro tell me my handicap doesn't fit my swing, should be single digit. There are other reasons I'm at 15 as well. 

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1 hour ago, JFish350 said:

Keep up with up dates, I am looking into this, but I feel my driver swing is out of whack right now AGAIN. I am told I don't need more speed. I had a pro tell me my handicap doesn't fit my swing, should be single digit. There are other reasons I'm at 15 as well. 

Will do. I haven’t done much since I was in the maintenance phase. Will likely kick it up in a couple weeks. Non ball golf swings with driver I can get up to 115 with a 44.5” shaft

Driver: :callaway-small:   Epic Max LS :Fuji:Ventus Black 6x 44.5"

2H: :callaway-small: Super Hybrid with Tensei Orange Pro Hyb 80 Stiff 

3H: :Sub70: 939X UST proforce V2 black F5 hybrid soft stepped

4-AW: th.jpg.d6e2abdaeb04f007fd259c979f389de6.jpg  0211  with KBS Tour Stiff 2.5* up 1/4" long Unofficial Review

Wedges     :cleveland-small: Zipcore Tour Rack 54/full and 58/mid (review here)  (Backup 54*,60*: :ping-small:  S Tour KBS Tour Stiff 3* up)

Putter: :scotty-cameron-1:2021 Phantom X5 35" (Backup: :1332069271_TommyArmour:TAIII #2  Review here: TAIII Impact #2 Putter )

Ball:  :titelist-small: proV1  (back up balls :titleist-small:ProV1 Left Dot, :Snell:MTB-X, :OnCore:Vero X1, :callaway-small:CS X LS)

 

 

 

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19 hours ago, Vegan_Golfer_PNW said:

Will do. I haven’t done much since I was in the maintenance phase. Will likely kick it up in a couple weeks. Non ball golf swings with driver I can get up to 115 with a 44.5” shaft

Have you been taking any lessons over the winter? It would be interesting to see how your handicap changes with the added speed assuming you can isolate it from major swing changes (ignoring general improvement work indoors). 

Great work staying committed to this over the winter. I started strong but have really stalled between vacations/injuries and have only been able to maintain speed using the Stack. Now that the weather has broken, I am spending most practice time chipping in the yard until the courses open and green up. 

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3 minutes ago, BMart519 said:

Have you been taking any lessons over the winter? It would be interesting to see how your handicap changes with the added speed assuming you can isolate it from major swing changes (ignoring general improvement work indoors). 

Great work staying committed to this over the winter. I started strong but have really stalled between vacations/injuries and have only been able to maintain speed using the Stack. Now that the weather has broken, I am spending most practice time chipping in the yard until the courses open and green up. 

Thanks. It was a challenge but did it! So I did have two 9 hole rounds prior to getting Skillest lessons. No SG data but my avg driver distance was much closer to 270 (mostly carry). My SS with the new shaft help a lot. My first 18 is tomorrow if the snow melts. I’d also be 2.5 weeks into a lesson so things might be a wash. The lesson is mainly for my iron play but I know it will translate everywhere. With the lesson work getting my speed feels like less effort so I feel I can go even faster with more work thinking about my swing setup. 
 

my big issue now is, with the season here, do I focus on FFG more and actual golf/practice and keep with the maintenance program or so I go full next level SS training and try to use my swing work in that training for my practice?

Driver: :callaway-small:   Epic Max LS :Fuji:Ventus Black 6x 44.5"

2H: :callaway-small: Super Hybrid with Tensei Orange Pro Hyb 80 Stiff 

3H: :Sub70: 939X UST proforce V2 black F5 hybrid soft stepped

4-AW: th.jpg.d6e2abdaeb04f007fd259c979f389de6.jpg  0211  with KBS Tour Stiff 2.5* up 1/4" long Unofficial Review

Wedges     :cleveland-small: Zipcore Tour Rack 54/full and 58/mid (review here)  (Backup 54*,60*: :ping-small:  S Tour KBS Tour Stiff 3* up)

Putter: :scotty-cameron-1:2021 Phantom X5 35" (Backup: :1332069271_TommyArmour:TAIII #2  Review here: TAIII Impact #2 Putter )

Ball:  :titelist-small: proV1  (back up balls :titleist-small:ProV1 Left Dot, :Snell:MTB-X, :OnCore:Vero X1, :callaway-small:CS X LS)

 

 

 

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15 minutes ago, Vegan_Golfer_PNW said:

Thanks. It was a challenge but did it! So I did have two 9 hole rounds prior to getting Skillest lessons. No SG data but my avg driver distance was much closer to 270 (mostly carry). My SS with the new shaft help a lot. My first 18 is tomorrow if the snow melts. I’d also be 2.5 weeks into a lesson so things might be a wash. The lesson is mainly for my iron play but I know it will translate everywhere. With the lesson work getting my speed feels like less effort so I feel I can go even faster with more work thinking about my swing setup. 
 

my big issue now is, with the season here, do I focus on FFG more and actual golf/practice and keep with the maintenance program or so I go full next level SS training and try to use my swing work in that training for my practice?

I signed up for a lesson package this winter from an instructor who still plays high level golf - already qualified for the RBC Canadian Open on the PGA tour. Since short game is one of my greatest weaknesses, I asked about his tournament prep, practice routines and general advice for seasonal golfers. (His facility is indoors, not ideal for short game lessons)

His feedback was each season begins with additional short game work: hitting a few sand shots so the first ones aren't on the course, getting his feel back for high/low shots and judging runout on chips/pitches and reaction to slopes. I looked at your stats last year and would recommend you consider the same. If you cannot play year round, I would prioritize playing which is among the fastest ways to lower scores and enjoy all the work you have put in. 

If you are cooped up in the winter it is a great time to prioritize speed training and weights. Get out and enjoy the game and weather! 

Average driving distance for scratch golfers is around 250 yards including all shots. If you can hit it 270-280 off the tee, distance is no longer the problem if your handicap is above 10. It's quality of contact on full swings (duffs, penalties) and short game holding you back. My distance is similar to yours since I'm at elevation and a bit slower. My SG info has me around 3 HCP off the tee, 10 HCP approach, 15 HCP short game, and 20 HCP putting. My overall handicap is 11.0 right now... I'm working on getting short game and putting closer to a 10HCP as opposed to scratch on full swing to get me into single digits. 

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