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The driver used to be the best club in my bag by far. Never had to worry about it always solid but yes it wasn’t perfect but I knew where the ball would be. 

Now I know where its going (dead left major hook) about 150 yards. Every once in while I can crack it like the good old days (3 years ago) and I think ok its coming back, then back to 150  hooking further left. Ive been to a few different lessons with different instructors trying to find something that would click. One guy said “your close” another said drop your right shoulder more (HUGE MISTAKE) and another said half swing it. I do not want to half swing it, I want a nice full smooth swing that goes somewhere in the vicinity I am aimed. 

 

Couple questions:

Do I scrap this driver for something else?

Do I just try and keep working it? It’s going on 3 years of this BS

Or doI just keep hitting my irons off the tee? I had a hard time with a 3 wood as well and sold it. 

 

I have tried other drivers and nothing seems to be the answer. Maybe I’m  just venting or need some sole searching. 

 

Have a great day on the course. 

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I was in your same boat. I made things worse by tinkering and now am just focused on one setup and working on my swing. For me I was super heel despite playing a 44.5” driver. 
 

where are you hitting the face? I believe you are toe side and closed face, which happens to me as well. Be patient with lessons or swing changes. I have been working on mine for a year now independently and slowly seeing results with the driver. 
 

Another thing to try, this isn’t for everyone, but try to hit the opposite shot. A push fade. Learn how to control the face and your path to create these shots. Your brain will then start to calibrate. I did this a lot with my irons during the season and once my swing work goes another 3-5 months, will get back to those thoughts. A lot of this I got from Adam young and some swing mechanics from Monte S. Keep grinding. Golf is tough. Or come play a round with me, I’ll make you feel like a plus handicap based on my game 😝

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Interesting variation on a thread that  @GolfSpy MPR had going recently - however the difference was that his 3 wood was working for him. You might want to send him a DM to see how he resolved it. Maybe it's lessons or maybe you just go down to a 5 wood (since you're 3 wood isn't working) or even a 19* hybrid. 

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150 yard pulls are generally swing issues. Over the top with a closed face or too far from inside and flip the hands hard from being stuck. Both come from bad sequencing of the swing.

Could be equipment related too if there was a drastic change like mentioned above.

Half swings are a good way to start fixing issues. If you can’t hit a good shot with half swing you aren’t going to be able to do it with a full swing.

Seeing video of a swing would help too

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I see “lessons” being mentioned a lot. My first inclination is to get fit for the correct driver shaft. I have found the best immediate change was a shaft. I tried several, spending foolishly, and found a fitting with a launch monitor session found the best fit to help correct my accuracy and now have complete confidence in my driver.
 As Arnie always said “swing your swing” , so use equipment that fits that swing. Not discounting lessons but my first step would be a shaft fitting as a less expensive and time consuming option , you’d probably be surprised what you find.

 

 I highly recommend fittings as I played for 20 years with wrongly fitted irons, even after an initial casual professional fitting years before launch monitors were common place and just now have a correctly fit iron set. What a difference it makes!

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8 minutes ago, Motoboss said:

I see “lessons” being mentioned a lot. My first inclination is to get fit for the correct driver shaft. I have found the best immediate change was a shaft.

That is why I asked if he changed drivers 3 years ago when this issue started.   Fitting can be important; I personally would look at head first since it has the largest influence on spin.  My experience in doing most wanted testing is that for me low spinning heads result in low spin snap hooks and shaft changes really don’t really help get viable on course results.  I also need to change my swing dynamics.  
 

we can make all sorts of guesses,  but in my opinion there is too much information missing to make a meaningful suggestion.  

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If it's the only problem club, put it away for a while.  I've done this.....and I am always surprised how quickly it makes it back into the bag.  First, only on wide open fairways....then more frequently.  Not saying all the other advice isn't spot on, but sometimes things can just get in your head.

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32 minutes ago, Motoboss said:

I see “lessons” being mentioned a lot. My first inclination is to get fit for the correct driver shaft. I have found the best immediate change was a shaft. I tried several, spending foolishly, and found a fitting with a launch monitor session found the best fit to help correct my accuracy and now have complete confidence in my driver.
 As Arnie always said “swing your swing” , so use equipment that fits that swing. Not discounting lessons but my first step would be a shaft fitting as a less expensive and time consuming option , you’d probably be surprised what you find.

 

 I highly recommend fittings as I played for 20 years with wrongly fitted irons, even after an initial casual professional fitting years before launch monitors were common place and just now have a correctly fit iron set. What a difference it makes!

It’s going to be the head much more than the shaft unless he is in a shaft that is on the extreme of weight or flex but unless he changed drivers or had some significant event that drastically changed his swing it’s a swing issue and not an equipment issue.

 

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@JFish350, keep us tuned in to how you resolve this. It'll be good info for many of us. 

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3 hours ago, cnosil said:

What happened 3 years ago?  New driver?  Tried to change your swing?  Just random happening?  
how long did you stick with those instructors?  Were you hitting the driver better during the lessons and then struggled to reproduce during practice?  
 

why are you opposed to starting with a half swing?  Just isn’t how golfers played?  Not willing to do intermediate steps to get to the longer range goal? 
 

Just an initial guess would be that you have a swing issue and need to take lessons to figure it out.  A new driver isn’t going to magically fix a swing issue.  you are describing what I believe is a pull hook,  ball starts left and then hooks.   Do you understand the ball flight laws and what causes this shot shape?  This is where launch monitors help, you face is obviously closed since it starts left.  The next question is what is the path so you determine if you have an in to out or out to in path.  If you don’t want to go the lesson route. You could try to fix by exaggerating and  trying to hit push slices?  Then working your way back to getting the desired ball flight.  

I’ll try and answer and my answers make sense. 
 

you are correct in your assessment of the pull hook. I haven’t noticed the club face being closed but I will absolutely pay More attention to that aspect. 
 

For the first 3 questions. Nothing happened “ie” injury, swing change etc. I was happy  where game was and the direction it was going. I was hoping to get to single digit hdcp by the end of that season. Maybe to much pressure on myself. 
 

I did notice I was starting to get more of a draw than normal but still in the fairway or 1st cut. This was the first time I went to get a lesson. Instructor said I needed to lean back or have my right shoulder lower and try to push the ball right. By the end of that session I couldn’t hit anything. I never went back to that person. Took me about a month of practice 3-4 times a week and 2-3 rounds to get back to where I was before that lesson. Needless to say my driver has been a constant battle ever since. 
I also went to Golf tec. Of the 10 lessons we /I hit a driver less than 10 swings and that was reason I went in. Actually changed coaches and still came out worse as my iron play suffered which I didn’t have an issue with. I’m not trying to get to a scratch golf at least not in the short or mid term goals. I may never get there and that’s fine as long I feel like I’m playing ok. 
 

I'm not opposed to half swings. I do ok with them and then move to more full strength. This works for a week or so then it’s back to the pull hook. 
 

I guess I get frustrated as I can hit my 4 iron and 1 iron further than my driver. I also am longer with those two clubs then guys I play with. I did play a couple rounds with my Freind who’s brother in law is a scratch golfer. I had a really good day with the driver (just like old times) and was out driving him by 10 plus yards. 
 

I have tried to a small degree to hit fades and slice. As i think about that seemed to help. I’ll try those steps ( club face & fades) and see what happens. 
 

i should add that I do hit the ball on the toe of the club. I do know that causes a left bias ball flight. That’s something I have been working on for a very long time like 10 plus years long. 
 

thanks for the tips I really do appreciate them. 

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3 hours ago, rbsiedsc said:

I was in your same boat. I made things worse by tinkering and now am just focused on one setup and working on my swing. For me I was super heel despite playing a 44.5” driver. 
 

where are you hitting the face? I believe you are toe side and closed face, which happens to me as well. Be patient with lessons or swing changes. I have been working on mine for a year now independently and slowly seeing results with the driver. 
 

Another thing to try, this isn’t for everyone, but try to hit the opposite shot. A push fade. Learn how to control the face and your path to create these shots. Your brain will then start to calibrate. I did this a lot with my irons during the season and once my swing work goes another 3-5 months, will get back to those thoughts. A lot of this I got from Adam young and some swing mechanics from Monte S. Keep grinding. Golf is tough. Or come play a round with me, I’ll make you feel like a plus handicap based on my game 😝

We do need to get out some time it’s like we don’t live close to each other.  That said football season has me busy and we are about to loose 20-30 more officials on the 18th. Whole other topic there. 

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3 hours ago, tony@CIC said:

Interesting variation on a thread that  @GolfSpy MPR had going recently - however the difference was that his 3 wood was working for him. You might want to send him a DM to see how he resolved it. Maybe it's lessons or maybe you just go down to a 5 wood (since you're 3 wood isn't working) or even a 19* hybrid. 

I have a hybrid in the mail as we speak. I’m hoping it will give me another option. 

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2 hours ago, EEZurg said:

If it's the only problem club, put it away for a while.  I've done this.....and I am always surprised how quickly it makes it back into the bag.  First, only on wide open fairways....then more frequently.  Not saying all the other advice isn't spot on, but sometimes things can just get in your head.

Yep I’ve done that. If I don’t have a fairway on both sides of the one I’m supposed to be on and nobody in danger of getting hit I don’t pull it out of the bag. Range sessions only for now. 

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Thanks fella, all makes sense. One thing at a time. 
 

I've has the same driver for about 5 years. Callaway Epic GBB. I have changed shafts once (well twice now as the one shaft broke) as my swing speed picked up. Hmmm hadn't thought about swing speed being an issue but that came well after the problems started. 

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To be clear, by no means should I ever be considered an expert in golf, but if you can hit a 1 iron consistently well (ie. in the fairway with decent distance) which is substantially more difficult to hit than a typical driver, I would think its an equipment issue.  Like others have noted.

I have had problems with some golf instructors in the past that try to make quick fixes, so I sympathize with you that some Pro's don't necessarily help you.  I do believe LMs and video capture do help most Pros assess your swing properly.  But sometimes their analysis can be wrong.

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1 hour ago, JFish350 said:

I’ll try and answer and my answers make sense. 
 

you are correct in your assessment of the pull hook. I haven’t noticed the club face being closed but I will absolutely pay More attention to that aspect. 
 

For the first 3 questions. Nothing happened “ie” injury, swing change etc. I was happy  where game was and the direction it was going. I was hoping to get to single digit hdcp by the end of that season. Maybe to much pressure on myself. 
 

I did notice I was starting to get more of a draw than normal but still in the fairway or 1st cut. This was the first time I went to get a lesson. Instructor said I needed to lean back or have my right shoulder lower and try to push the ball right. By the end of that session I couldn’t hit anything. I never went back to that person. Took me about a month of practice 3-4 times a week and 2-3 rounds to get back to where I was before that lesson. Needless to say my driver has been a constant battle ever since. 
I also went to Golf tec. Of the 10 lessons we /I hit a driver less than 10 swings and that was reason I went in. Actually changed coaches and still came out worse as my iron play suffered which I didn’t have an issue with. I’m not trying to get to a scratch golf at least not in the short or mid term goals. I may never get there and that’s fine as long I feel like I’m playing ok. 
 

I'm not opposed to half swings. I do ok with them and then move to more full strength. This works for a week or so then it’s back to the pull hook. 
 

I guess I get frustrated as I can hit my 4 iron and 1 iron further than my driver. I also am longer with those two clubs then guys I play with. I did play a couple rounds with my Freind who’s brother in law is a scratch golfer. I had a really good day with the driver (just like old times) and was out driving him by 10 plus yards. 
 

I have tried to a small degree to hit fades and slice. As i think about that seemed to help. I’ll try those steps ( club face & fades) and see what happens. 
 

i should add that I do hit the ball on the toe of the club. I do know that causes a left bias ball flight. That’s something I have been working on for a very long time like 10 plus years long. 
 

thanks for the tips I really do appreciate them. 

A number of comments. Instruction is a very personal thing - it took me three tries before I found the right one for basic instruction. A couple of years later I moved on to another one since I felt  I outgrew the 'basic' instructor. Half swings with the driver was the first recommendation my instructor gave me and it worked since it kept me from killing the ball. Slowing down my takeaway really helped as well.  My issue today is SS as I had slowed my SS down to implement all of the swing changes. 

GBB - I had one of those . It stayed in my bag 2 years as I continually struggled with it - the ball never went straight with that club. I even changed out the shaft to no avail. Along came the 410 SFT which is as straight as an arrow. Driver fittings are pretty inexpensive - might be worth the cost just for giggles.  

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What ball are you using? Low spin balls will amplify hooks especially if you have a toe pattern. This happens to me with the Tour BX when I am not swinging well and is much less often with a higher spin ball like the Tour B XS. 

You need to hit 10 balls with driver and see where you are hitting them on the face, extreme toe could cause most of the issue. Otherwise, get on a good launch monitor that has club data so you know your actual club path and face angles and figure out how to correct. There's no magic driver that only hits 150 yard hooks, that shot isn't an equipment fix. 

Someone already posted above, it's very likely you're not turning your lower body through the shot and are flipping or rolling your hands at impact. If you are trying to work through this on your own, in addition to short swings I would begin by moving the ball closer to the middle of your stance then slowly moving it toward your front foot and seeing how that affects ball flight. Also, teeing it lower and swinging level then progressing the tee height up as well. It is easy for setup to get out of whack with driver. This won't always show up with other clubs because you address them more neutral and likely have all different swing thoughts and intentions. 

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If you're just hooking one club in the bag, isn't it likely the club?

Once. back in the days when a matching set of four wooden woods was the prevalent style, I had ONE fairway wood that I hooked badly while not having a problem with the others in the set.  My natural shot was a draw, but I seriously hooked this club.

I took it out of the bag and replaced it with a non-matching wood, and poof!  No more hook.

 

 

 

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