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May be in the wrong forum but could be considered mental game.

Dlow’s post in random thread reminded me of this hole. The course is Blue Mash which is a sister course of @Golfspy_CG2 old hole course Waverly Woods.

The front and back nine play complexity different and the back nine is usually pretty windy compared to the front. It also has shorter holes.

The first 3 holes play long from both white and blue tee boxes. This is hole 3. A par 4 and per scorecard white tees are 426 and blue 453. Red are 359 and green just slightly behind them. The course has a combo tee option and this one plays from the whites of using that option. The black circle is roughly where the 150 marker is. Tees are usually in the middle box where the tree on the left is. When I play there whites are anywhere from 400-430. Many times it’s into the wind which adds distance and difficulty.

What strategy would you use to play this hole?

For me I play a fade off the left side of the fairway to try and avoid the bunkers. My typical drive is short of the cart path that splits the fairway to about 20 yards behind it. Usually have anywhere from a 5i to my 4/5 wood depending on what bag setup I have into the green. It’s a hole that I don’t par often and play it to make no worse than bogey.

Edit: #1 hdcp hole. The green is surrounded by a hill on the back and sides with thick rough.

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Driver all the time.   I'd shift aim line a little left to avoid the bunkers on the right so I'd target the rough line on the left side and since I play a fade think it would come back to the fairway.   If I pull I am in the left rough or for a really bad pull in the other fairway.    Seems pretty straightforward in my mind. 

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into the wind makes my club selections for me here.  since my driver has a tendency to balloon, id play a 3w off the tee, lined up with the cart path as my target and playing a cut.

if i keep it low, which i usually do with the 3w,  i should end up with a PW in to the green

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3 minutes ago, cnosil said:

Driver all the time.   I'd shift aim line a little left to avoid the bunkers on the right so I'd target the rough line on the left side and since I play a fade think it would come back to the fairway.   If I pull I am in the left rough or for a really bad pull in the other fairway.    Seems pretty straightforward in my mind. 

For the most part. The difficulty of the hole is the second shot in. Bunker on the left comes into play and what’s hard to tell is on the right side is pretty thick rough and it’s a hill.

2 minutes ago, Chip Strokes said:

into the wind makes my club selections for me here.  since my driver has a tendency to balloon, id play a 3w off the tee, lined up with the cart path as my target and playing a cut.

if i keep it low, which i usually do with the 3w,  i should end up with a PW in to the green

Into the wind really change the dynamics of the hole IMO. Second shot becomes about club selection and where to play into the green. I rarely see the pin in the front. It’s usually middle/middle, middle left or back left or middle.

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1 minute ago, RickyBobby_PR said:

Into the wind really change the dynamics of the hole IMO. Second shot becomes about club selection and where to play into the green. I rarely see the pin in the front. It’s usually middle/middle, middle left or back left or middle.

assuming a good tee shot, distance wise i'd have a PW in, but into the wind with my high ball flight i could be playing 9 or even 8i depending on the pin location

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10 minutes ago, RickyBobby_PR said:

For the most part. The difficulty of the hole is the second shot in. Bunker on the left comes into play and what’s hard to tell is on the right side is pretty thick rough and it’s a hill.

You are coming in from 180+ so green target is Basically a strip down the green center about 12 yards on to about 12 yards from the back of the green since you indicated you want to avoid the bunker and the hill beyond. 

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3 minutes ago, cnosil said:

You are coming in from 180+ so green target is Basically a strip down the green center about 12 yards on to about 12 yards from the back of the green since you indicated you want to avoid the bunker and the hill beyond. 

Yeah. For me I’m typically middle to right side of fairway unless I block it them I’m in one of the bunkers which then turns into a layup shot.

But yeah from the fw I’m usually going right edge of bunker and trying to get middle of the green. Avoiding left side as much as possible since it’s almost a guarantee of not getting good lie or stance. 

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I would aim a little further left and rip driver. There's a lot of fat fairway out there. I hit 270 avg, so on a 400+ yard hole that isn't tight off the tee, there's no question that I'm hitting driver over those traps.

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Yea definitely driver for me, I am a slight fade with it most of the time. Would be able to keep it low enough to cut the wind. Besides the green having a hill behind it, how does the green slope? False front or anything? I dont see to many issues as long as would be able to get that driver to fade and leave a good view into the green.

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I like this idea of "how would you play this hole", I feel like this is going to be one of those long term threads.

I am tossing one out there, I have talked about this hole in the past, it is one of my favorite holes around and its a beast:

This is hole 9 @ Highfields country club in Grafton, MA. Total yardage is carded at 622/570/550/490 from Black/Gold/White/Red. It plays a little less from each about 20 yards less.

The first circle is 300 out from the green, and 200 from the 2nd circle. 2nd circle is 100 out from the green roughly. The window is very tight off the tee no matter where you tee it from (see below) the widest point is about 35 yards and tightest about 20. Left side is completely OB with the houses and the fairway funnels right into the woods. The green is well protected in the front with 2 traps and if you lay up you will have to fly the green on your 3rd as you most likely will not be able to run up the front of the green as the fairway cuts back left and then back up into the green. The 3rd shot has the green below you, but the green IS raised and runs down the hill around the entire green from trap to trap.

I typically play from the Golds on this course. I have never reached in 2. Par is a huge positive. So what say you?!

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There are a lot more trees now on the left side and this was before the houses there as well but this is the view from the tee box.

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45 minutes ago, Lacassem said:

Yea definitely driver for me, I am a slight fade with it most of the time. Would be able to keep it low enough to cut the wind. Besides the green having a hill behind it, how does the green slope? False front or anything? I dont see to many issues as long as would be able to get that driver to fade and leave a good view into the green.

There are two tiers on the green. Not really a false front. The greens play hard and fast pretty much all year. 

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this is a fun thread.  i dig it. 

@Lacassem that's a scary tee shot for me, since i'd literally be lining up OB.  i'm hitting driver and if the ball cuts like i want it, i'll be good in good shape with a shot to reach in 2 with either 5 or 3w, assuming a clean fairway lie.  with my luck, though, this would be the first tee shot of the round that stays straight and itll end up in someone's pool.  

if i end up in the rough off the tee, it's a 3 shot hole and i'd lay up to about 120 and hit gap wedge in

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19 minutes ago, Chip Strokes said:

this is a fun thread.  i dig it. 

@Lacassem that's a scary tee shot for me, since i'd literally be lining up OB.  i'm hitting driver and if the ball cuts like i want it, i'll be good in good shape with a shot to reach in 2 with either 5 or 3w, assuming a clean fairway lie.  with my luck, though, this would be the first tee shot of the round that stays straight and itll end up in someone's pool.  

if i end up in the rough off the tee, it's a 3 shot hole and i'd lay up to about 120 and hit gap wedge in

Its a beast man, I love playing it and I line up left line and its scary because it can very easily go straight OB.  on the opposite end to much left to right its woods and good luck finding it. I have birdied this once and it was an amazing day. If ya come out well have to hit the track, its one of my favorite courses around.

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Just now, Lacassem said:

If ya come out well have to hit the track, its one of my favorite courses around.

looking forward to it.  i've got a good entry for this thread once yours gets a few more replies.

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1 hour ago, Lacassem said:

I like this idea of "how would you play this hole", I feel like this is going to be one of those long term threads.

The first circle is 300 out from the green, and 200 from the 2nd circle. 2nd circle is 100 out from the green roughly. The window is very tight off the tee no matter where you tee it from (see below) the widest point is about 35 yards and tightest about 20.

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I’m playing whatever club gets me to the wide part of the fairway off the tee.  I am assuming that if I am outside of the 35 yards I am OB or deep woods.  Hard to tell on the right but in the tee shot picture it looks somewhat open on the right.   Second shot is to the wide spot short of your second circle.  Don’t know green width and depth but based on plan I should have short iron in which should setup for par. Difficulty on this hole seems to be the tee shot.  

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7 minutes ago, cnosil said:

I’m playing whatever club gets me to the wide part of the fairway off the tee.  I am assuming that if I am outside of the 35 yards I am OB or deep woods.  Hard to tell on the right but in the tee shot picture it looks somewhat open on the right.   Second shot is to the wide spot short of your second circle.  Don’t know green width and depth but based on plan I should have short iron in which should setup for par. Difficulty on this hole seems to be the tee shot.  

Yea If I am having a bad tee day, accuracy wise anyway I am not hitting driver on this hole but by hole 9 I usually have worked out those issues.

Picture doesnt do the tee shot justice, its a lot tighter now. That was at original construction the houses were not even in yet.

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1 hour ago, Lacassem said:

I like this idea of "how would you play this hole", I feel like this is going to be one of those long term threads.

I am tossing one out there, I have talked about this hole in the past, it is one of my favorite holes around and its a beast:

This is hole 9 @ Highfields country club in Grafton, MA. Total yardage is carded at 622/570/550/490 from Black/Gold/White/Red. It plays a little less from each about 20 yards less.

The first circle is 300 out from the green, and 200 from the 2nd circle. 2nd circle is 100 out from the green roughly. The window is very tight off the tee no matter where you tee it from (see below) the widest point is about 35 yards and tightest about 20. Left side is completely OB with the houses and the fairway funnels right into the woods. The green is well protected in the front with 2 traps and if you lay up you will have to fly the green on your 3rd as you most likely will not be able to run up the front of the green as the fairway cuts back left and then back up into the green. The 3rd shot has the green below you, but the green IS raised and runs down the hill around the entire green from trap to trap.

I typically play from the Golds on this course. I have never reached in 2. Par is a huge positive. So what say you?!

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There are a lot more trees now on the left side and this was before the houses there as well but this is the view from the tee box.

hole9-1.jpg

Going to line up on the right side of the tee box and hit fade off the trees on the left. Unless I pull the shot anything left isn’t in play. As long as the slope isn’t too severe that forces the ball all the way to the woods then I’ll be fine.  I’ve played a few courses that have similar slope and trouble on both sides. Always a fun time standing on the tee and figuring out what to do. 

 

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3 minutes ago, Lacassem said:

Yea If I am having a bad tee day, accuracy wise anyway I am not hitting driver on this hole but by hole 9 I usually have worked out those issues.

Picture doesnt do the tee shot justice, its a lot tighter now. That was at original construction the houses were not even in yet.

Squeezing a driver into a spot that narrow is tough even if hitting  it well. As long as laying back to the widest spot takes away some of the danger it is the smart play. Something like a 3w or hybrid won’t be that much more accurate you just have more space especially since both left and right are dead and those misses result in a penalty.  If the trees on the right were something that allowed you to advance down the fairway then maybe take the driver and just accept that you will be right sometimes.  

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Love this thread. 
 

@RickyBobby_PRits a driver all day. That landing area is ripe. 

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here’s my entry. whitney farms golf course #6. par 5, 562 from the blue tees. 

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the tee box is elevated and tight. you’re hitting into a small landing area about 230-240 straight out. cutting the corner is out because the trees overhang the tee box.  this picture was taken from their flyover and the camera is probably about 20 yards in front of the blue tees.  that tall tree in the top right of the frame is very much in play from the tee box.

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from that landing area you’re about 310-320 out facing a blind second shot as the fairway goes up, then back down to the hole. long on your approach is dead because behind the green falls off to narnia. ive never gotten off this hole with better than bogey. 

whatcha got?!

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