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Well played driver on the two holes I posted. First resulted in a 15 ft putt for eagle053DB99C-4C5B-47C7-9724-034A0244BA48.png.e4591020733daa2d8edb8098507b1479.png82D86C2E-2B8F-4AE3-A382-8C1A888E36F4.jpeg.ce603a172fe60c37facb72059d0bf64c.jpeg

the other hole I teed high to cut the corner. Unfortunately slight push into the trees. Still was able to escape with a bogey62C7480A-6626-43C9-82EB-EC66D95F61C4.png.d04529a3a7cce96f0f5033caa7829a53.png

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30 minutes ago, Vegan_Golfer_PNW said:

Well played driver on the two holes I posted. First resulted in a 15 ft putt for eagle053DB99C-4C5B-47C7-9724-034A0244BA48.png.e4591020733daa2d8edb8098507b1479.png82D86C2E-2B8F-4AE3-A382-8C1A888E36F4.jpeg.ce603a172fe60c37facb72059d0bf64c.jpeg

the other hole I teed high to cut the corner. Unfortunately slight push into the trees. Still was able to escape with a bogey62C7480A-6626-43C9-82EB-EC66D95F61C4.png.d04529a3a7cce96f0f5033caa7829a53.png

 

 

You have to keep in mind that basis for the decision is long term averages.   You may eagle or birdie one week and bogey or worse another week but overall your scoring average should be lower with the shorter approach.  

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This one has been giving me fits lately.  It is hole 18 at Bonneville Golf Course in Salt Lake (link)

It is a very steeply downhill par 4 (454 on the scorecard).  I've played it four times this summer and am a cumulative +10.  It just eats me up.  The red box is about 300 yards, but plays about 270 downhill.  If you land in the red box, you have a relatively flat lie and around 130 -150 into the green.  Everything to the right (on the picture) is severely sloped downhill and makes for a tough shot over a ravine from 160 plus.  Right and left leave you with side hills and/or partially blocked shots.    

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I've typically been taking my 3U off the tee.  Well struck and I end up in the box, a push leaves me 180ish with a downhill lie over the ravine.  It is so hard to get a longer iron in the air from a downhill lie.  So I usually end up pitching to the box area and then hoping to make a bogey.  

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7 minutes ago, Jonny_Crash said:

This one has been giving me fits lately.  It is hole 18 at Bonneville Golf Course in Salt Lake (link)

It is a very steeply downhill par 4 (454 on the scorecard).  I've played it four times this summer and am a cumulative +10.  It just eats me up.  The red box is about 300 yards, but plays about 270 downhill.  If you land in the red box, you have a relatively flat lie and around 130 -150 into the green.  Everything to the right (on the picture) is severely sloped downhill and makes for a tough shot over a ravine from 160 plus.  Right and left leave you with side hills and/or partially blocked shots.    

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I've typically been taking my 3U off the tee.  Well struck and I end up in the box, a push leaves me 180ish with a downhill lie over the ravine.  It is so hard to get a longer iron in the air from a downhill lie.  So I usually end up pitching to the box area and then hoping to make a bogey.  

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Dang, and this is at elevation. Tough hole. How much to carry the ravine? My carry is 275-280 at 100ft elevation. At 4k elevation, that would put me at roughly 300 carry, plus this is down hill so it may be fly-able. If I would probably pull 4w and hope it stays in your red box and then go from there. How wide is that red landing zone?

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10 minutes ago, Vegan_Golfer_PNW said:

How wide is that red landing zone?

Looks to be about 65 yds wide and realistically it looks like you have another 30 yds right to land it:

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To me this is a "hit it as far as you can hole." Typically if the landing zone is wider than 60 yds I would hit driver almost exclusively. But I also only carry a driver at sea level about 240 yds so this hole would eat me up. 

And this is the view into the green from 150 yds out, yikes:

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8 minutes ago, Vegan_Golfer_PNW said:

Dang, and this is at elevation. Tough hole. How much to carry the ravine? My carry is 275-280 at 100ft elevation. At 4k elevation, that would put me at roughly 300 carry, plus this is down hill so it may be fly-able. If I would probably pull 4w and hope it stays in your red box and then go from there. How wide is that red landing zone?

It looks like around 330 to carry the ravine with the elevation drop.  

I'd say the landing area (for a flat-ish lie) is about 40 yards wide.  For some more marginal sidehill/partial blocked shots you are looking about 60 yards.  

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1 minute ago, vandyland said:

Looks to be about 65 yds wide and realistically it looks like you have another 30 yds right to land it:

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To me this is a "hit it as far as you can hole." Typically if the landing zone is wider than 60 yds I would hit driver almost exclusively. But I also only carry a driver at sea level about 240 yds so this hole would eat me up. 

Ok so i measured. 362 to carry the ravine but it is a 80ft elevation drop (roughly add in 5 clubs). That might be carryable for me with driver but the landing area just past is only 20 yards. I'd likely just go 4w then to the landing zone.

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44 minutes ago, Jonny_Crash said:

This one has been giving me fits lately.  It is hole 18 at Bonneville Golf Course in Salt Lake (link)

It is a very steeply downhill par 4 (454 on the scorecard).  I've played it four times this summer and am a cumulative +10.  It just eats me up.  The red box is about 300 yards, but plays about 270 downhill.  If you land in the red box, you have a relatively flat lie and around 130 -150 into the green.  Everything to the right (on the picture) is severely sloped downhill and makes for a tough shot over a ravine from 160 plus.  Right and left leave you with side hills and/or partially blocked shots.    

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I've typically been taking my 3U off the tee.  Well struck and I end up in the box, a push leaves me 180ish with a downhill lie over the ravine.  It is so hard to get a longer iron in the air from a downhill lie.  So I usually end up pitching to the box area and then hoping to make a bogey.  


it is simply a tough hole.  Your strategy is sound and the way the hole should be played.   For a described 20 handicap  golfer, bogey is a good score especially if you struggle with uneven lies.  

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So, I am headed to Kapalua next year (most likely) and I was cruising through the course and I found an interesting hole (#4) that I am wondering how everyone would play. The big caveat is I want to have fun playing the Plantation course so I am choosing the "Resort" tees which are only about 6,000 yds. As such, there is this hole which plays all of 212 yards as a par 4 from the resort tees. 

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From tee to green, the hole plays about 25 feet uphill. Miss left or right and you are OB for sure. The left and right both fall off into deep ravines. Now, it is probably 200 yds to the front edge of the green and the landing zone for the green is probably 47 yds wide. So with the incline you probably need to carry it 210 (mostly a blind shot), see below for the google earth street view:

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For me, the way I have brought my handicap down is minimizing mistakes rather than making more birdies so I am thinking I land in the widest part of the fairway short (which is here). That landing zone is 48 yds and if I pick the right club should put me in no danger of carrying it into a bunker and little to no danger of hitting it OB. That would be a PW or a 9i off the tee. The landing zones between the bunkers is 30 yds and while I would back myself squeezing an iron in there I don't see the added benefit of 20 extra yards but bringing the bunkers into play. I think this would just be 9i + SW for me. 

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5 hours ago, vandyland said:

So, I am headed to Kapalua next year (most likely) and I was cruising through the course and I found an interesting hole (#4) that I am wondering how everyone would play. The big caveat is I want to have fun playing the Plantation course so I am choosing the "Resort" tees which are only about 6,000 yds. As such, there is this hole which plays all of 212 yards as a par 4 from the resort tees. 

image.png.b16e4592383a85442ca541ad29d92e7e.png

From tee to green, the hole plays about 25 feet uphill. Miss left or right and you are OB for sure. The left and right both fall off into deep ravines. Now, it is probably 200 yds to the front edge of the green and the landing zone for the green is probably 47 yds wide. So with the incline you probably need to carry it 210 (mostly a blind shot), see below for the google earth street view:

image.png.c78a7c714ddb4a6a4524aadb7be8b14c.png

For me, the way I have brought my handicap down is minimizing mistakes rather than making more birdies so I am thinking I land in the widest part of the fairway short (which is here). That landing zone is 48 yds and if I pick the right club should put me in no danger of carrying it into a bunker and little to no danger of hitting it OB. That would be a PW or a 9i off the tee. The landing zones between the bunkers is 30 yds and while I would back myself squeezing an iron in there I don't see the added benefit of 20 extra yards but bringing the bunkers into play. I think this would just be 9i + SW for me. 

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If I am playing golf on vacation, I would have to have a go at this green.  What a thrill it would be to drive a Par 4 and have an eagle putt or the possibility of making double eagle.  Talk about a lifelong memory!

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5 hours ago, vandyland said:

So, I am headed to Kapalua next year (most likely) and I was cruising through the course and I found an interesting hole (#4) that I am wondering how everyone would play. The big caveat is I want to have fun playing the Plantation course so I am choosing the "Resort" tees which are only about 6,000 yds. As such, there is this hole which plays all of 212 yards as a par 4 from the resort tees. 

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I think a pertinent question is what happens if you go long?  If its safe back there, I'd probably hit a 3W or 3U and try to take the bunkers out of play.  

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10 hours ago, vandyland said:

So, I am headed to Kapalua next year (most likely) and I was cruising through the course and I found an interesting hole (#4) that I am wondering how everyone would play. The big caveat is I want to have fun playing the Plantation course so I am choosing the "Resort" tees which are only about 6,000 yds. As such, there is this hole which plays all of 212 yards as a par 4 from the resort tees. 

image.png.b16e4592383a85442ca541ad29d92e7e.png

From tee to green, the hole plays about 25 feet uphill. Miss left or right and you are OB for sure. The left and right both fall off into deep ravines. Now, it is probably 200 yds to the front edge of the green and the landing zone for the green is probably 47 yds wide. So with the incline you probably need to carry it 210 (mostly a blind shot), see below for the google earth street view:

image.png.c78a7c714ddb4a6a4524aadb7be8b14c.png

For me, the way I have brought my handicap down is minimizing mistakes rather than making more birdies so I am thinking I land in the widest part of the fairway short (which is here). That landing zone is 48 yds and if I pick the right club should put me in no danger of carrying it into a bunker and little to no danger of hitting it OB. That would be a PW or a 9i off the tee. The landing zones between the bunkers is 30 yds and while I would back myself squeezing an iron in there I don't see the added benefit of 20 extra yards but bringing the bunkers into play. I think this would just be 9i + SW for me. 

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It's been a number of years since I played the Plantation course (loved the experience), but it was a really tough course for me.  I hit the ball reasonably straight, but here you can end up in some not so nice areas if you don't know where to hit the ball.  Not many fairways are flat (it is on the side of a volcano), so hitting the middle of the fairway could put you in the rough when the ball stops rolling.  I don't remember any OB on the course; the ravines are marked as a penalty areas.  The greens are what really screwed me up.  Bermuda... grain... volcano slope... = bad putting!!

It's absolutely gorgeous there; the restaurant is fabulous for breakfast, lunch and dinner.  They even let me use the locker room to shower and change clothes because we had dinner reservations after golf.  I'd go back and get trashed again in a heartbeat!!!  Enjoy!!!

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Okay, I have a new one, #7 at Grande Dunes Resort Club (Myrtle Beach), a 478 yd par 5 that has...ahem...some water lurking:

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The first body of water (left) stops at 233 yds off the tee. The second body of water (right) starts at 257 yds and extends to 330 yds. The landing zone from 175-190 off the tee is 80 yds. 

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If you try to carry the first body of water, you have 60 yds to land it in but very much OB either left or right. 

I think this is a difficult, 3 shot hole. It seems to me the only safe option is to hit 5 iron off the tee between the water left and bunker right, then another 5 iron and finally a GW into the green. Doesn't seem very fun but interested if anyone thinks it is a no brainer to hit driver on this hole> 

 

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