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Looking for suggestions on options to lower ball flight. I'm looking to tinker with my backup set - Titleist 990's with S300. Great irons, but they launch just a little too high and w plenty of spin. Looking for lower, more controlled ball flight. Club speed ~88-89, ball speed ~121. Heads are already bent 2* strong, so need to look at shaft options.

Any thoughts?

Driver - Titleist TSi3 9.0  (Hzrdus Smoke Black RDX 6.0)

3 wood - TaylorMade SIM2 Ti 15 (Ventus Blue 7S)

5 wood - TaylorMade SIM2 Ti 19 (Ventus Blue 7S)

Irons - Titleist T100s 4-PW + 49 (KBS $-Taper)

Wedges - Titleist Vokey SM9 54D (KBS 610) & 58M (KBS 610)

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Shafts aren’t going to change launch and spin. That’s on the golfer and now they deliver the club. 
 

Delivering lower dynamic loft is whats needed

Without seeing your numbers it’s hard to say what’s causing the spin and launch.

Is the club head speed you list for driver or for a 7i?

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4 minutes ago, RickyBobby_PR said:

Shafts aren’t going to change launch and spin. That’s on the golfer and now they deliver the club. 
 

Delivering lower dynamic loft is whats needed

Without seeing your numbers it’s hard to say what’s causing the spin and launch.

Is the club head speed you list for driver or for a 7i?

7i

Driver - Titleist TSi3 9.0  (Hzrdus Smoke Black RDX 6.0)

3 wood - TaylorMade SIM2 Ti 15 (Ventus Blue 7S)

5 wood - TaylorMade SIM2 Ti 19 (Ventus Blue 7S)

Irons - Titleist T100s 4-PW + 49 (KBS $-Taper)

Wedges - Titleist Vokey SM9 54D (KBS 610) & 58M (KBS 610)

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1 minute ago, Billy-Bo-Jim-Bob said:

7i

Dynamic loft 24, 7i loft 34*

Driver - Titleist TSi3 9.0  (Hzrdus Smoke Black RDX 6.0)

3 wood - TaylorMade SIM2 Ti 15 (Ventus Blue 7S)

5 wood - TaylorMade SIM2 Ti 19 (Ventus Blue 7S)

Irons - Titleist T100s 4-PW + 49 (KBS $-Taper)

Wedges - Titleist Vokey SM9 54D (KBS 610) & 58M (KBS 610)

Putter - Titleist Scotty Cameron - Phantom X 11.5

Ball - Titleist Pro V1 & Taylormade Tour Response (Blue/Pink Stripe)

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1 minute ago, Billy-Bo-Jim-Bob said:

7i

You could try x100 shafts but the chances are it’s not going to se a significant difference.

do you have your spin, launch, peak/apex height and decent/land angle, dynamic loft?

Driver: PXG 0811 X+ Proto w/UST Helium 5F4

Wood: TaylorMade M5 5W w/Accra TZ5 +1/2”, TaylorMade Sim 3W w/Aldila rogue white

Hybrid: PXG Gen2 22* w/AD hybrid

Irons: PXG Gen3 0311T w/Nippon modus 120

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10 minutes ago, RickyBobby_PR said:

You could try x100 shafts but the chances are it’s not going to se a significant difference.

do you have your spin, launch, peak/apex height and decent/land angle, dynamic loft?

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Driver - Titleist TSi3 9.0  (Hzrdus Smoke Black RDX 6.0)

3 wood - TaylorMade SIM2 Ti 15 (Ventus Blue 7S)

5 wood - TaylorMade SIM2 Ti 19 (Ventus Blue 7S)

Irons - Titleist T100s 4-PW + 49 (KBS $-Taper)

Wedges - Titleist Vokey SM9 54D (KBS 610) & 58M (KBS 610)

Putter - Titleist Scotty Cameron - Phantom X 11.5

Ball - Titleist Pro V1 & Taylormade Tour Response (Blue/Pink Stripe)

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2 minutes ago, Billy-Bo-Jim-Bob said:

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Driver - Titleist TSi3 9.0  (Hzrdus Smoke Black RDX 6.0)

3 wood - TaylorMade SIM2 Ti 15 (Ventus Blue 7S)

5 wood - TaylorMade SIM2 Ti 19 (Ventus Blue 7S)

Irons - Titleist T100s 4-PW + 49 (KBS $-Taper)

Wedges - Titleist Vokey SM9 54D (KBS 610) & 58M (KBS 610)

Putter - Titleist Scotty Cameron - Phantom X 11.5

Ball - Titleist Pro V1 & Taylormade Tour Response (Blue/Pink Stripe)

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1 hour ago, Billy-Bo-Jim-Bob said:

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You are pretty optimal in everything. Going to the x100 might bring height down a little but there’s a chance they could mess with your swing. Changing heads probably isn’t going to do much and some of the newer heads may add some spin. 

Modus 130x or c taper are possibilities but just not sure you see much improvement in lowering flight.

Is the height just not visually pleasing. 

Driver: PXG 0811 X+ Proto w/UST Helium 5F4

Wood: TaylorMade M5 5W w/Accra TZ5 +1/2”, TaylorMade Sim 3W w/Aldila rogue white

Hybrid: PXG Gen2 22* w/AD hybrid

Irons: PXG Gen3 0311T w/Nippon modus 120

Wedges: TaylorMade MG2 50*, Tiger grind 56/60

Putter: Scotty Caemeron Super Rat1

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22 hours ago, Billy-Bo-Jim-Bob said:

Looking for suggestions on options to lower ball flight. I'm looking to tinker with my backup set - Titleist 990's with S300. Great irons, but they launch just a little too high and w plenty of spin. Looking for lower, more controlled ball flight. Club speed ~88-89, ball speed ~121. Heads are already bent 2* strong, so need to look at shaft options.

Any thoughts?

Close your club head at address. Take a shorter back swing. Get your hand in front of the ball at contact. The swing controls the ball flight, not the club.

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4 hours ago, twyatt700 said:

Close your club head at address. Take a shorter back swing. Get your hand in front of the ball at contact. The swing controls the ball flight, not the club.

He’s delivering 24* of loft on a 34* head. His hands are plenty ahead of the ball.

His numbers are practically equal to pga tour avg for his ball speed.

 

Driver: PXG 0811 X+ Proto w/UST Helium 5F4

Wood: TaylorMade M5 5W w/Accra TZ5 +1/2”, TaylorMade Sim 3W w/Aldila rogue white

Hybrid: PXG Gen2 22* w/AD hybrid

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On 10/22/2021 at 5:42 PM, RickyBobby_PR said:

You are pretty optimal in everything. Going to the x100 might bring height down a little but there’s a chance they could mess with your swing. Changing heads probably isn’t going to do much and some of the newer heads may add some spin. 

Modus 130x or c taper are possibilities but just not sure you see much improvement in lowering flight.

Is the height just not visually pleasing. 

It’s not a visual thing. Introduce a bit of wind and the ball either balloons if into the wind or drifts on the wind if side wind. Just feels like if I could bring the launch and spin down a slight bit I’d have better performance when conditions are not optimal. Not looking for big change here just trying to tweak flight on stock shots. Probably most noticeable with 8-pw. thanks!

Driver - Titleist TSi3 9.0  (Hzrdus Smoke Black RDX 6.0)

3 wood - TaylorMade SIM2 Ti 15 (Ventus Blue 7S)

5 wood - TaylorMade SIM2 Ti 19 (Ventus Blue 7S)

Irons - Titleist T100s 4-PW + 49 (KBS $-Taper)

Wedges - Titleist Vokey SM9 54D (KBS 610) & 58M (KBS 610)

Putter - Titleist Scotty Cameron - Phantom X 11.5

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1 hour ago, Billy-Bo-Jim-Bob said:

It’s not a visual thing. Introduce a bit of wind and the ball either balloons if into the wind or drifts on the wind if side wind. Just feels like if I could bring the launch and spin down a slight bit I’d have better performance when conditions are not optimal. Not looking for big change here just trying to tweak flight on stock shots. Probably most noticeable with 8-pw. thanks!

Sounds like your stock shot is just fine and what you really need to do is work on technique for a knockdown shot.  No need to change anything for the full swing

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1 hour ago, Billy-Bo-Jim-Bob said:

It’s not a visual thing. Introduce a bit of wind and the ball either balloons if into the wind or drifts on the wind if side wind. Just feels like if I could bring the launch and spin down a slight bit I’d have better performance when conditions are not optimal. Not looking for big change here just trying to tweak flight on stock shots. Probably most noticeable with 8-pw. thanks!

Take leas than full swings and use more club into the wind. 

1 minute ago, jlukes said:

Sounds like your stock shot is just fine and what you really need to do is work on technique for a knockdown shot.  No need to change anything for the full swing

Posting almost same thing at the sametime 

Driver: PXG 0811 X+ Proto w/UST Helium 5F4

Wood: TaylorMade M5 5W w/Accra TZ5 +1/2”, TaylorMade Sim 3W w/Aldila rogue white

Hybrid: PXG Gen2 22* w/AD hybrid

Irons: PXG Gen3 0311T w/Nippon modus 120

Wedges: TaylorMade MG2 50*, Tiger grind 56/60

Putter: Scotty Caemeron Super Rat1

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2 hours ago, Billy-Bo-Jim-Bob said:

It’s not a visual thing. Introduce a bit of wind and the ball either balloons if into the wind or drifts on the wind if side wind. Just feels like if I could bring the launch and spin down a slight bit I’d have better performance when conditions are not optimal. Not looking for big change here just trying to tweak flight on stock shots. Probably most noticeable with 8-pw. thanks!

I’ll just pile on 😂 if you are tweaking because wind or other non optimal condition then it probably isn’t a stock shot.  You need to change something to get your desired results. This could be accomplished in many ways: choking down, taking more club with less than full swing, or moving the ball back and delofting.   
 

golf is not always plays in optimal conditions and you need to learn how to adapt from shot to shot.

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I think @RickyBobby_PR and @jlukes already have it covered, but I will second that the numbers you posted for 7 iron are really solid. Learning the knockdown certainly seems the way to go. You could also experiment with some different golf balls to see how they perform in windy conditions compared to your current gamer. Might help, might not, but the biggest difference will come from learning to control the trajectory via swing and club selection.

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I was going to also mention trying some different golf balls.  Not sure what you're using now though

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id kill for your peak height numbers.  i swing my 7i around 108 and even with launch angles below 20*, i see my apex up in the 150ft range.  

ask a few have mentioned, i was forced to learn a knockdown shot and it's been a real game changer.  now if there's any sort of wind, i'm taking one to two extra clubs and backing off my swing speed.  i still generate plenty of spin, so i can hold greens even with a flatter trajectory.

don't change that stock swing at all! just learn a new shot to add to the arsenal.

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8 hours ago, Billy-Bo-Jim-Bob said:

It’s not a visual thing. Introduce a bit of wind and the ball either balloons if into the wind or drifts on the wind if side wind. Just feels like if I could bring the launch and spin down a slight bit I’d have better performance when conditions are not optimal. Not looking for big change here just trying to tweak flight on stock shots. Probably most noticeable with 8-pw. thanks!

Pro V1 left dot if you are stuck with Titleist. I find Bridgestone balls perform better in the wind. The Tour BX would likely drop spin and trajectory as well vs V1. 

For 8-PW hit 3/4 knockdowns with extra club. 

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4 hours ago, Larryd3 said:

I was going to also mention trying some different golf balls.  Not sure what you're using now though

Thanks Larry...been playing Pro V1 or Pro V1x for years, playing with marginal changes in spin. If I'm playing a match I pull out the Pro V1.

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3 wood - TaylorMade SIM2 Ti 15 (Ventus Blue 7S)

5 wood - TaylorMade SIM2 Ti 19 (Ventus Blue 7S)

Irons - Titleist T100s 4-PW + 49 (KBS $-Taper)

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On 10/26/2021 at 5:55 AM, Billy-Bo-Jim-Bob said:

It’s not a visual thing. Introduce a bit of wind and the ball either balloons if into the wind or drifts on the wind if side wind. Just feels like if I could bring the launch and spin down a slight bit I’d have better performance when conditions are not optimal. Not looking for big change here just trying to tweak flight on stock shots. Probably most noticeable with 8-pw. thanks!

Don't alter your clubs to play in the wind. Alter your shot.

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I play the ball a little further back in my stance to deloft the club.

I also choke down on longer clubs to hit low into the wind.

That might not work for you if you're two degrees strong already.

My preference is for weaker lofts.  And if it's too windy, I play gin in the clubhouse instead. 

 

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S300 is just an awful shaft. It’s too heavy overall and too stout in the butt and mid section but with a comparatively softer tip. This results in a awful boardy feeling, it’s really a disaster of a profile. Who does it fit, really? I bet close to no one and yet you find it everywhere.

I would suggest that the OP change to x100 immediately, not because it will positively contribute to his game but because it will make golf much more enjoyable. 

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On 10/26/2021 at 6:14 AM, jlukes said:

Sounds like your stock shot is just fine and what you really need to do is work on technique for a knockdown shot.  No need to change anything for the full swing

Exactly

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On 10/22/2021 at 3:31 PM, Billy-Bo-Jim-Bob said:

Looking for suggestions on options to lower ball flight. I'm looking to tinker with my backup set - Titleist 990's with S300. Great irons, but they launch just a little too high and w plenty of spin. Looking for lower, more controlled ball flight. Club speed ~88-89, ball speed ~121. Heads are already bent 2* strong, so need to look at shaft options.

Any thoughts?

to add my 2 cents, it really sounds more like a shaft issue. It's possible the S300 is not the correct shaft for your swing. You hit hard enough, numbers you posted were good.  If you're going to tinker, try a different shaft with different kick points in an iron.  If you're hitting too high right now, look at testing a mid to high or high kick point shaft vs a low kick point shaft. Stiff or Xstiff.  I'm tinkering right now trying out a heavier shaft 123gram stiff vs 105 gram stiff, in an 8 iron. getting a feel.  I put lighter grips on all irons reducing grip weight from 78 grams (Golfpride tour wrap to 52 gram Superstroke). Best fitting I ever had was from an LPGA Pro and she was good in diagnosing & matching ball flight with proper flex shaft and swing, unfortunately she moved when I bought new set of irons.  Good luck! 

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17 hours ago, crimea_river said:

S300 is just an awful shaft. It’s too heavy overall and too stout in the butt and mid section but with a comparatively softer tip. This results in a awful boardy feeling, it’s really a disaster of a profile. Who does it fit, really? I bet close to no one and yet you find it everywhere.

I would suggest that the OP change to x100 immediately, not because it will positively contribute to his game but because it will make golf much more enjoyable. 

Did you look at his launch monitor numbers? They are inline with tour avg. there’s no guarantee the x100 does the same for him.

It actually fits a lot of golfers it’s why it’s been around so long. TT has done a good job of moving getting the shaft to work good in lighter weights like the dg120 and 105. 
 

Edit: not to mention he said he wants to change it for windy conditions so it’s not his stock swing that’s the issue but rather learning technique to play a lower ball in those conditions 

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Wood: TaylorMade M5 5W w/Accra TZ5 +1/2”, TaylorMade Sim 3W w/Aldila rogue white

Hybrid: PXG Gen2 22* w/AD hybrid

Irons: PXG Gen3 0311T w/Nippon modus 120

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One thought would be to change from the Prov1 to the AVX golf ball.   Buy a sleeve and give that a try.  You might be surprised.   Lowest flight, lowest spin.   

 

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