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39 minutes ago, vandyland said:

I agree.

I know I still roll balls before almost every round, but I concentrate on  not relating anything on the pactice green to distance control, because chances are it won't apply.  I just hit one practice ball, and then try to just hit the others straight at the first.

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33 minutes ago, stuka44 said:

I know I still roll balls before almost every round, but I concentrate on  not relating anything on the practice green to distance control, because chances are it won't apply.  I just hit one practice ball, and then try to just hit the others straight at the first.

When away from my home course I ignore the cups and putt to a tee on the practice green. This sharpens my focus. If I can hit a tee I can certainly get it in the cup.

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Well it's mid-winter here in TN so you can still play on a few days but mostly it is swing work inside or into a net. I am really struggling with where or not I should care that my head "dips" during the downswing. Rory does it, but he's rory. Tiger does it, but he's Tiger. Louis Oosthuizen does not do it and he has one of the smoothest swings out there. CH3 does not do it and he has the best looking swing (to me). I have a few good feels in my swing and I feel like I have finally chased out the biggest recurring swing flaws I had in 2021:

(1) Early extension in BOTH the backswing and the downswing (fixed with the Tiger warmup drill he was doing at PNC)
(2) Flat shoulder angle/turn (fix one helped this and so does thinking about bending towards the ball during backswing, i.e. left side bend)

But now this head drop move (it happens during the transition to downswing) is messing with me. Always a work in progress I guess.

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I think letting  the head dip during the forward swing is result  of torso drop from squating the pelvis during transition   It’s good in my books   It’s like a turbo boost to the swing 

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Bought a putting mirror prior to Xmas and tried  to roll a few putt indoor 

Notice right away i was looking down  more from inside  of the ball and my eye alignment is open to the line 

Trying to get  more on top of the ball and square by moving my head position  doesnt feel comfortable to me but I  did roll in more short putts 

Re setting with my head  by just tilting my head  without  adjusting my shoulders seem to throw off my tempo  and  I cant seem to have as good distance control. 

I tried adjusting my shoulder more square by cross hand grip and this seems to get my eyes more parallel to the line  and over the ball  but I feel that not naturally to me 

Then I turn my trail hand to  claw and let my trail arm hang and wow felt really good . rolling end over end putts from 4-30 feet away 

from 30+ feet I feel more comfortable with the eyes inside the ball  and revert to my old putting posture and grip I think I naturally aim to the right edge cup 

I dont know if it  better to have one putting stroke rather than have two- one for longer putts and one for short/med putt length 

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On 10/25/2021 at 4:02 PM, vandyland said:

A bit of a dramatic title but I have been on quite the rollercoaster with putting the last few months. To summarize, went from conventional putting to heads up putting, then tried to incorporate a straight back and straight through stroke, then tried to switch to the saw grip, then tried an armlock putter (in store) and finally returned to conventional putting the last few rounds. I have always disliked putting because I felt I was a poor putter and that scoring was too heavily influenced by putting. Well, whether any of that is true or not is irrelevant. Putting IS important and you can't really ball strike your way around poor putting unless you are ELITE (which I am not). So, after getting some good advice from @cnosilin the heads up thread, I had to step back and see if I was a bad putter or if I just had too high of expectations. 

I used this strokes gained putting calculator for my last two rounds (9 hole and 18 hole, respectively) and found out I was gaining strokes putting. 

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Now, I will admit that the 18 hole round was clearly a good putting day, for the most part. In the past I would have dwelled on the missed 3ft putt and the 3 putt from 40 ft instead of the makes from 12 and 9 feet. 

So what is the point? I guess I would encourage others to take a look at their putting and see if it is as bad (or good) as you think it is. To get better, I think having consistently solid putting performances is the fastest way to lower scores. So it is my goal to keep getting better at putting or at least have it at the forefront of my practice. Maverick McNealy noted that his rise from obscurity in the WAGR was down to forcing himself to become a better putter by practicing putting FIRST anytime he went to the golf course. 

To accomplish that goal I have the following tasks/habits I am working on:
_Commit to practicing 3x times a week with my blast golf motion sensor and a metal yard stick to work on the hitting my starting line (minimum of 75 putts per session)
_Establish a preshot routine that involves walking off the putt (quickly, we don't have all day here), reading the putt and then "feeling my line". A key here is that I try to spend a lot more time looking at the hole than my ball or my stroke. The more time I can spend softly looking at my target and the intended line, the better chance I have of executing a good putt.
_Giving full attention to my putts (I have been guilty in the past of just walking up to putts and glancing at the line and hitting them, I would never do that over a 150 yd shot from fwy)
_Literally remind myself I am an above average putter (using the above data points) and that it can and should be a strength of my game
_Continue to track strokes gained on putting each round with the understanding that there will be ups and downs. 

I hope to update this with evidence of me sticking to this plan. I would encourage anyone else who struggles with putting or who has ideas for their own putting progress to participate. 

 

 

As a semi-retired club fitter, the first thing I would check is the putter face angle.  It is relatively simple.  On a hard flat board, draw a straight line length-wise on the board.  Grab your best putter, the flashlight, and the board and stand in front of a full length mirror where you can see the putter face in the image.  Lay the board on the floor facing the mirror and the flashlight on behind the board,  Take your normal putting stance with the putter face centered on the line.  Does the face seem to be centered on the line?  If the face toe is up, your putter is too long.  If the face points down, the putter is to short.  Adjust your hands on the grip until the face seems square again.  This is the length your putter should be.  Any toe up or down amplifies you miss hits by up to 5%, which becomes disastrous on long putts.  Any good club repair guy or gal can make the adjustment to the length of your putter.  Good Luck

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Great thread and I think the comments here translate to many other parts of our game. I agree with you that my expectations for my putting were way too high and it allowed me to easily get discouraged. If you take a look at the Shotlink data from the PGA tour, you will realize quickly that your expectations were likely too high. Before looking at the data I thought that any approach shots from inside 100 yards should ALWAYS hit the green, yet the tour average last year was 85% and only birdied 23% of the time. This blew my mind! Along with the other data I created a summary below that might be useful to a few of you. Granted the course setups the pros play are much more difficult than what we play, it can help set some reasonable expectation and take some pressure off when we play our local courses.

Approach Shot Distance GIR %

AVG Distance to pin on approach (Fairway)

AVG Distance to pin on approach (Rough) Birdie Percentage
200+ 44% 52' 73' 32%
175-200 55% 34' 53' 14%
150-175 64% 28' 44' 15%
125-150 70% 23' 37' 19%
100-125 75% 20' 32' 23%
<100 85% 17' 26' 23%
         
Putts Make %      
< 5' 97%      
5' - 10' 57%      
10' - 15' 30%      
15' - 20' 19%      
> 20' 7%      
         
         
Avg Approach Putt 2' 4"      
         
Sand Save % 50%      
Scrambling 61%      
         
Chipping Proximity to Hole
       
30+ yards 13'      
20 - 30 yards 9'      
10 - 20 yards 7'      
<10 yards 3'      
Sand 10'      
         
Driving        
68% of the hole yardage is typically converted by tee shots on Par 4's
       
54% of the hole yardage is typically converted by tee shots on Par 5's
       
FIR 61%      
Club Head Speed 115 mph      
Ball Speed 171 mph      
Launch Angle 10.52      
Apex Height 100'      

 

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2 hours ago, CanadaMike said:

Granted the course setups the pros play are much more difficult than what we play, it can help set some reasonable expectation and take some pressure off when we play our local courses.

 

... I will add another point. I played my local muni today right after the qualifier for the Waste Managment tourney in Phoenix next week. I have a good 400 rounds or more on this course in the last 3 years and have never seen the greens in this condition. Normally 10-11 on the stump which is fast for a typical muni but they were rolling at 12.5 and to use an old cliche' it was like rolling a putt on a pool table. I would estimate over time if you can shoot near par, the condition of the greens would be worth 3-5 shots every round. I had a 20 footer today up hill with about a 3 inch break which did just that for a birdie and normally the ball will wander some especially as it begins to lose speed but today if you had the right read and speed, it was going in. Just a joy to putt on especially downhill short putts.  

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12 hours ago, chisag said:

I had a 20 footer today up hill with about a 3 inch break which did just that for a birdie and normally the ball will wander some especially as it begins to lose speed but today if you had the right read and speed, it was going in.

I totally agree, I have played a few courses with really fast greens and once you adjust to the speed putting is actually easier! If the tour really wants to lower scores then setup your greens like public courses, that ball will bounce around everywhere haha

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Wish I could putt on greens like that 😞  All the greens I putt on bounce around, are slow, etc. it's hit or miss whether you're going to make a birdie putt or not.  

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I like to see the tour pros putt on really furry slow green for a week and see if the putting score does get worse or can most adjust. 

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11 hours ago, Haro said:

I like to see the tour pros putt on really furry slow green for a week and see if the putting score does get worse or can most adjust. 

Most if not all will adjust before they finish the front 9 of their first round. If the practice green is the same as the greens in the course they may have it dialed in before they get to the first green

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12 hours ago, Haro said:

I like to see the tour pros putt on really furry slow green for a week and see if the putting score does get worse or can most adjust. 

 

... It isn't the speed of the greens although admittedly faster greens make it much easier to putt well. It is the way the ball can bounce or wobble off line on slow greens that almost always have too many unprepared or improperly repaired ball marks as well as longer grass, especially Bermuda causing the ball to move off it's line.  Pro's can adjust to the speed but there is no adjustment for balls wandering/bumping/ knocked off line by poorly maintained muni greens. 

... The course I play at least 200 times a year has fast greens but being a muni ball marks and inconsistent maintenance cause balls to wander off line. I got to play the course after the Waste Managment qualifier and the greens were absolutely perfect. Every ball mark had been repaired and the greens were rolled and double cut so even the most delicate and fast downhill putt rolled straight and true, something I have never experienced on this course. 

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Also just got a puttview book. I will be putting this into play this weekend so we'll see how it goes. Really just curious if having the green reading aspect simplified will make any difference:

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