Everardo Posted November 14, 2021 Share Posted November 14, 2021 Quote I did a xxxxx fitting a few weeks ago......Not sure what I'll get, and I may end up taking my results and coming home to shop online for something. Another reason why fittings should not be free, saw this on another site. It's not a knock against this person, just how some consumers think. tony@CIC 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tom the Golf Nut Posted November 14, 2021 Share Posted November 14, 2021 My opinion and I'm sure there will be people that disagree. If your going to someone that their only service is club fitting then you should pay for it. If you purchase through them you should get a discount equal to the fitting fee. If you are going to a big box store then it should be a free service. They make their profit from retail sales and the fitters are in their overhead cost. Your paying for someone to be there anyway. So you can kill two birds with one stone if your sales person can also fit people properly. For the OEM's I think they should have more fitting locations or travel vans that go to courses. My logic is simple. It cost less than $100 to build a driver. Assembly is done in a cellular manufacturing process. (This means one production line and its tooling produces one club. This same cell can change tooling to make another club) A cell is capable of producing 100 clubs a shift. There are many cells in production at the same time. So let's just stick with one cell. 100 clubs a day ( and they can't keep up with demand) times $500 is $50,00.00 less cost (using $100 as cost on a driver, irons are less) leaves you with $40,000.00 a day towards your business and thats only one club. Keep in mind that they don't make anything all components are purchased. All they do is inspect the incoming product and assemble. There is the brick and motor, research, marketing, legal, payroll and all the other departments required for a manufacturer. This is a big number but they still make a good profit margin. So much is spent in advertisements. If the number of ads was limited in magazines and commercials there would be a lot of funds left for customer service fittings. I feel you would get more sales fitting people into your product than watching a commercial on TV or reading an ad. Customer service is king! Everardo, cnosil, sirchunksalot and 1 other 4 Quote Driver, TSi 1 S Flex 3 wood, Aerojet Max UST Helium Nanocore R Flex 5 wood, Aerojet Max UST Helium Nanocore R Flex 7 Wood, Aerojet Max UST Helium Nanocore R Flex 5 Hybrid King Tec MMT R Flex Irons, Tour UST Recoil 95 R Flex (6 - Gap) Wedges, Snakebite KBS Hi- Rev2.0 54* & 60* Agera 35" Ultralight 14-way Cart Bag Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tony@CIC Posted November 15, 2021 Share Posted November 15, 2021 21 hours ago, Tom the Golf Nut said: So much is spent in advertisements. If the number of ads was limited in magazines and commercials there would be a lot of funds left for customer service fittings. I feel you would get more sales fitting people into your product than watching a commercial on TV or reading an ad. Customer service is king! I have never bought from print or online golf advertisements. I find most related to golf take a lot of 'liberties', fyi golf balls labeled 'long and straight'. Most of those models, if truth be told, should be labeled 'short and anything but straight'. Then there are the new drivers that come out every year promising an extra 10-15 yds. If I added up all those promises over a 10 yr period I'd be tee to green in 1 every time. I'll go back to my earlier comment that I'll gladly pay (the right) fitter for the right equipment recommendation and consider that I'm saving money because I didn't buy something that didn't work for me off the rack, which I've done several times. Tom the Golf Nut 1 Quote Left Hand orientation SIM 2 D Max with Fujikura Air Speeder Shaft Cobra Radspeed 3W/RIptide Shaft 410 Hybrids 22*, 26* Cobra Speed Zone 6-GP/Recoil ESX 460 F3 Shafts SM7 54* Wedge Glide 3.0 60* Wedge O Works putter V3 NX9-HD - 4 Wheel EZGO TXT 48v cart - too many shoes to list and so many to buy And BAG Boy Golf Balls: Vice Pro Plus 2020 Official Tester Beginning Driver Speed - 78 2019 Official Tester 410 Driver 2018 Official Tester C300 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ShaftShack.com Posted November 16, 2021 Share Posted November 16, 2021 Interesting podcast/topic... What's truly best for the golf consumer? Simple: Options! Paid-, unpaid-, good-, bad-, professional-, amateur-, and even: self-fittings! Let the consumer make their own decision based on the information presented to them and the outcomes that result. It's their journey, it's their hard earned money, and it's their right. If the goal is to truly grow the game of golf, the options and breadth of experiences available need to be as diverse as the audience it seeks to include, and to be honest it must go much deeper than the equipment someone ends up playing with. Realizing each golfer has unique and different goals, reasons for playing, and levels of interest and commitment, and so there has to be options, and the more the better! And at the end of the day, it's up to the market/consumer to then dictate what it wants, what works, and in turn what succeeds. Hope that helps! Sincerely, ShaftShack.com tony@CIC 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rhinosparky Posted December 6, 2021 Share Posted December 6, 2021 What Adam and the rest of the "get fitted" crowd do not take into account is the fact that most new golfers have horrible swings or fundamental flaws in that swing. It might be a quick back swing, to steep of a swing, etc, etc. A fitting is not going to do that person any good if they actually play often and work on a good swing plane. That's when they should get fit for new clubs. All the fitting in the world will not fix a bad swing and if the person gets a correct swing then they should get fit. Hell I'm a prime example as I was fitted last December after playing maybe two rounds the whole year before. I know that were I to go and get fit today after 100 rounds this year my results would be completely different, and the specs would be night and day different. So to say fitting is this magical tool to help your game its not. If Adam really wants to help the average golfer he would be pushing for people to go get lessons first and after the golfer has established a good swing that is repeatable then, and only then should they get a fitting. But then he would have to push for free lessons because it would only help the game of golf right? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RickyBobby_PR Posted December 6, 2021 Share Posted December 6, 2021 10 minutes ago, Rhinosparky said: A fitting is not going to do that person any good if they actually play often and work on a good swing plane. That's when they should get fit for new clubs. All the fitting in the world will not fix a bad swing and if the person gets a correct swing then they should get fit. Hell I'm a prime example as I was fitted last December after playing maybe two rounds the whole year before. I know that were I to go and get fit today after 100 rounds this year my results would be completely different, and the specs would be night and day different. Developing a swing and bad habits from ill fitting equipment will be a disaster for many golfers and will take a long time and lots of work to break. This is what fittings do. As for your second how do you know they would be completely different? Many people would be surprised how little things would change in a fitting with an improved swing. There may be some lie angle changes which can easily be corrected by a shop that has lie/loft machine. But unless you did a fitting at the start of your golf journey and now you have no data to say your results would be completely different Everardo, Kenny B and cnosil 3 Quote Driver: PXG 0811 X+ Proto w/UST Helium 5F4 Wood: TaylorMade M5 5W w/Accra TZ5 +1/2”, TaylorMade Sim 3W w/Aldila rogue white Hybrid: PXG Gen2 22* w/AD hybrid Irons: PXG Gen3 0311T w/Nippon modus 120 Wedges: TaylorMade MG2 50*, Tiger grind 56/60 Putter: Scotty Caemeron Super Rat1 Ball: Titleist Prov1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dlow206 Posted December 6, 2021 Share Posted December 6, 2021 1 hour ago, RickyBobby_PR said: As for your second how do you know they would be completely different? Many people would be surprised how little things would change in a fitting with an improved swing. There may be some lie angle changes which can easily be corrected by a shop that has lie/loft machine. But unless you did a fitting at the start of your golf journey and now you have no data to say your results would be completely different I agree with this. I also feel like people think that once they improve their swing, their current equipment is going to all of a sudden stop working. RickyBobby_PR 1 Quote Follow my golf journey to break into the 80s Tester for the Titleist TSi Driver Spring 2020 MGS Tester for the Fujikura Motore X Shaft Updated 07/15/2022 Driver: Rogue St Max LS - Autoflex Fairway Woods: Rogue Max St 3HL and 7 Wood Irons: JPX 921 Hot Metal 5 to AW - Aerotech Steelfiber i95 Stiff parallel tip Wedges: Glide 4.0 54 and 58 Putter: PLD Custom Kushin 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RickyBobby_PR Posted December 6, 2021 Share Posted December 6, 2021 14 minutes ago, dlow206 said: I agree with this. I also feel like people think that once they improve their swing, their current equipment is going to all of a sudden stop working. Yep. Lots of misperceptions about equipment and swings still out there Quote Driver: PXG 0811 X+ Proto w/UST Helium 5F4 Wood: TaylorMade M5 5W w/Accra TZ5 +1/2”, TaylorMade Sim 3W w/Aldila rogue white Hybrid: PXG Gen2 22* w/AD hybrid Irons: PXG Gen3 0311T w/Nippon modus 120 Wedges: TaylorMade MG2 50*, Tiger grind 56/60 Putter: Scotty Caemeron Super Rat1 Ball: Titleist Prov1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rhinosparky Posted December 6, 2021 Share Posted December 6, 2021 23 minutes ago, dlow206 said: I agree with this. I also feel like people think that once they improve their swing, their current equipment is going to all of a sudden stop working. If that's the case then any equipment should have little effect and not require a fitting. Why would new "fit" equipment suddenly help their game then? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RickyBobby_PR Posted December 6, 2021 Share Posted December 6, 2021 Just now, Rhinosparky said: If that's the case then any equipment should have little effect and not require a fitting. Why would new "fit" equipment suddenly help their game then? In many cases year to year or even for 3-5 years in most equipment categories there won’t be a significant change in performance. However small changes in weight distribution or face construction can have an effect on what shaft would work for a person and would affect launch and spin. I have about 5 shafts that work for my swing in irons but not all of them work in every head. Rhinosparky 1 Quote Driver: PXG 0811 X+ Proto w/UST Helium 5F4 Wood: TaylorMade M5 5W w/Accra TZ5 +1/2”, TaylorMade Sim 3W w/Aldila rogue white Hybrid: PXG Gen2 22* w/AD hybrid Irons: PXG Gen3 0311T w/Nippon modus 120 Wedges: TaylorMade MG2 50*, Tiger grind 56/60 Putter: Scotty Caemeron Super Rat1 Ball: Titleist Prov1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dlow206 Posted December 6, 2021 Share Posted December 6, 2021 7 minutes ago, Rhinosparky said: If that's the case then any equipment should have little effect and not require a fitting. Why would new "fit" equipment suddenly help their game then? I'm not saying that new equipment has very little effect. What I am saying is if you fit well into a certain profile shaft for example, and then you improve your swing, you most likely will still fit into that same profile shaft unless something drastically changed like you went from a slow tempo to fast tempo or your swing speed increased my 15 mph, etc. RickyBobby_PR 1 Quote Follow my golf journey to break into the 80s Tester for the Titleist TSi Driver Spring 2020 MGS Tester for the Fujikura Motore X Shaft Updated 07/15/2022 Driver: Rogue St Max LS - Autoflex Fairway Woods: Rogue Max St 3HL and 7 Wood Irons: JPX 921 Hot Metal 5 to AW - Aerotech Steelfiber i95 Stiff parallel tip Wedges: Glide 4.0 54 and 58 Putter: PLD Custom Kushin 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Professor Posted December 7, 2021 Share Posted December 7, 2021 On 11/2/2021 at 4:00 PM, Thin2win said: I haven't listened to this, so I'll only answer the question as you asked it. You get what you pay for. Club champion, true fit, txg, etc. Those are fittings and if you want one, I see no reason they shouldn't charge you. If you just want to go swing away at new clubs, go to the big box /local option that will let you do that for free. The problem with these types of fittings is the experience of the fitters is all over the place. $500 for a fitting and you don’t know if the guy has been fitting for 30 days or 30 years. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cnosil Posted December 7, 2021 Share Posted December 7, 2021 21 hours ago, Rhinosparky said: What Adam and the rest of the "get fitted" crowd do not take into account is the fact that most new golfers have horrible swings or fundamental flaws in that swing. It might be a quick back swing, to steep of a swing, etc, etc. A fitting is not going to do that person any good if they actually play often and work on a good swing plane. That's when they should get fit for new clubs. All the fitting in the world will not fix a bad swing and if the person gets a correct swing then they should get fit. Hell I'm a prime example as I was fitted last December after playing maybe two rounds the whole year before. I know that were I to go and get fit today after 100 rounds this year my results would be completely different, and the specs would be night and day different. So to say fitting is this magical tool to help your game its not. If Adam really wants to help the average golfer he would be pushing for people to go get lessons first and after the golfer has established a good swing that is repeatable then, and only then should they get a fitting. But then he would have to push for free lessons because it would only help the game of golf right? Interesting article went up today on plugged in golf that talks about fitting vs lesson for new golfers. Multiple things to think about when making that decision. https://pluggedingolf.com/do-new-golfers-need-fitted-golf-clubs/ dlow206, Rhinosparky, bens197 and 3 others 6 Quote Driver: G400 Max 9* w/ KBS Tour Driven Fairway: TS3 15* w/Project X Hzardous Smoke Hybrids: 915H 21* w/KBS Tour Graphite Hybrid Prototype 915H 24* w/KBS Tour Graphite Hybrid Prototype Irons: TR20V 6-11 w/Vizard TR20-85 Graphite Wedge: 54/12D, 60/8M w/:Accra iWedge 90 Graphite Putter: Sacks Parente MC 3 Stripe Backup Putters: Milled Collection RSX 2, mFGP2, Futura 5W, TM-180 Member: MGS Hitsquad since 2017 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RickyBobby_PR Posted December 7, 2021 Share Posted December 7, 2021 Really good article. Hit both sides of the argument for lessons and clubs cnosil 1 Quote Driver: PXG 0811 X+ Proto w/UST Helium 5F4 Wood: TaylorMade M5 5W w/Accra TZ5 +1/2”, TaylorMade Sim 3W w/Aldila rogue white Hybrid: PXG Gen2 22* w/AD hybrid Irons: PXG Gen3 0311T w/Nippon modus 120 Wedges: TaylorMade MG2 50*, Tiger grind 56/60 Putter: Scotty Caemeron Super Rat1 Ball: Titleist Prov1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kenny B Posted December 7, 2021 Share Posted December 7, 2021 8 hours ago, cnosil said: Interesting article went up today on plugged in golf that talks about fitting vs lesson for new golfers. Multiple things to think about when making that decision. https://pluggedingolf.com/do-new-golfers-need-fitted-golf-clubs/ Great article! I remember GolfSpy Matt. Here was here when I joined, before he started Plugged In Golf. MattF and cnosil 2 Quote “We don’t stop playing the game because we get old; we get old because we stop playing the game.” Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rhinosparky Posted December 9, 2021 Share Posted December 9, 2021 On 12/7/2021 at 8:00 AM, cnosil said: Interesting article went up today on plugged in golf that talks about fitting vs lesson for new golfers. Multiple things to think about when making that decision. https://pluggedingolf.com/do-new-golfers-need-fitted-golf-clubs/ Great article. I think it tends to support the argument that new clubs are beneficial. I don't think it supports a full fitting. I firmly believe that someone who just gets into golf does not benefit from a full bag fitting from a competent fitter. I stand by my opinion that there swing will change so much in the first year that the specs will be different. I know in my particular situation I got back into golf seriously for the first time in 15 years. I played three to four rounds a year before that and now this year I played nearly 100 rounds. I know my swing is completely different than what I did at my fitting. Luckily my fitting cost was free because I bought the clubs through the fitter. But i simply do not buy the argument that every new golfer should git fit. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Billy-Bo-Jim-Bob Posted December 13, 2021 Share Posted December 13, 2021 Wow! Lots of passionate views on this topic. Looks like Adam knows how get people fired up! Does anyone really know what he actually has in mind for a "free" fitting? Quote Driver - Titleist TSi3 9.0 (Hzrdus Smoke Black RDX 6.0) 3 wood - TaylorMade SIM2 Ti 15 (Ventus Blue 7S) 5 wood - TaylorMade SIM2 Ti 19 (Ventus Blue 7S) Irons - Titleist T100s 4-PW + 49 (KBS $-Taper) Wedges - Titleist Vokey SM9 54D (KBS 610) & 58M (KBS 610) Putter - Titleist Scotty Cameron - Phantom X 11.5 Ball - Titleist Pro V1 & Taylormade Tour Response (Blue/Pink Stripe) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HDTVMAN Posted December 13, 2021 Share Posted December 13, 2021 Here's the deal. When you go to a big box store, most fitters graduated from the McDonald's Burger U, and were hired for $10/hr, watched a few 5 min videos, and were told by the store manager to sell anything to anyone and lie to make the sale. Go to a real fitter, a pro, assistant pro, Club Champion...yes, you should pay because you will end up with the right clubs set to the correct specifications for you. Demo days are great to try clubs and ask the reps questions. But go to a real fitter, pay for the hour, and get it done right. Big box stores are fine to buy off the rack if that works for you. Billy-Bo-Jim-Bob 1 Quote Certified Club Fitter. Ping G425 Max Driver 10.5° w/Fujikura Ventus TR Ping G425 Max 5-7-9 Fairway Woods w/Ping Alta CB Ping G425 Irons 5-U w/Ping Alta CB (Power-Spec Lofts) Ping 4.0 Eye2 Glide Wedges 54°-58° w/Recoil SmacWrap Ping Redwood ZB Putter w/PP58 PING Pioneer Cart Bag Lamkin Sonar+ Wrap Mid-Size Grips Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fletch Posted December 13, 2021 Share Posted December 13, 2021 I fit clubs for a living so my time means nothing when i get a nightmare 1 hour or longer fitting? Billy-Bo-Jim-Bob and joshuac3 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SharkyM Posted December 13, 2021 Share Posted December 13, 2021 Fittings at places like Club Champion and TXG are luxury items or should be seen as such. Just like a fine tailor or a luxury car and its service requirements/mechanics(insert your German car here). If you can afford it and want to pay these experts for their equipment, time, expertise then you're welcome to do so. You as golfer would seek out these places because of what their expertise is providing above other retailers. The model of waiving a fitting fee with purchase seems the most viable, for both consumer and retailer. If the consumer buys from the retailer/fitter, then great. If the consumer goes somewhere else then they should be reimbursed for their time. I think fittings are the least of the issues...How did we go from irons costing $499-699 in 2010-2015 to now $1499 basically for similar tech(+ - a chunk on tungsten), maybe the fitting cost is imbedded into this price...But I digress.... Everardo 1 Quote Driver: Taylormade SIM2 10.5 OG Motore F3 70x with TP 1.5* tip - 1 notch to lower 3W: Srixon ZX 15*, HZRDUS Smoke Black HandCrafted 6.0 5W: Callaway Rogue Sub Zero 18* TC serial, HZRDUS Yellow 70g 4i: Srixon ZU85 23*, Recoil F4 95S 5i: Srixon ZU85 26*, Recoil F4 95X 6-PW: Callaway Apex MB 2021, Project X IO 6.0 Wedges: Vokey SM8 Blk 50-08F, SM8 56-08M (55*), Vokey SM8 WedgeWorks 60 T (61*) Putter: Scotty Cameron Special Select Flowback 5.5, Pistolini Grip Ball: 2019 Taylormade TP5X (sometimes Pro-V1x left dash) Bag: Titleist Players 4 Stadry Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BostonSal Posted December 13, 2021 Share Posted December 13, 2021 To me, it boils down to the fact that they're club fitters--that's what they do. They expect to be paid. When you bought your clubs from your club pro at his own pro shop on your own golf course, the fitting process in those pre-digital times was free. The clubs were sold at ONE price--MSRP--and your professional just took the markup. I miss those days, but they're gone and we live in the present world. Quote Louisville Golf Persimmon___2, 4, 5, 7-woods; Epon AF-906___driving iron; Titleist T100 5, 6, 7, 8, 9-irons; Titleist T100S___48°; Edison 2.0___53º; Titleist SM-9 (T)___58º; Tad Moore Otto Hackbarth___putter; Titleist Pro V1x___ball Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bob Pegram Posted December 14, 2021 Share Posted December 14, 2021 On 11/2/2021 at 12:58 PM, Shapotomous said: Some club and ball websites offer free fittings already. Following the same thought process lessons should be free as well. 2ndSwing credits the fitting charge toward equipment already. It is impossible to do a good clubfitting from a website. There isn't enough information collected to do a good job fitting the shaft(s), head(s), grip(s), length(s), shaft bend point(s), shaft torque, etc. Posture, body proportions, swing style, and a lot other factos vary too much from golfer to golfer. As an example, my waist is significantly higher than on most guys my height. That raises my hands farther fromn the ground. A wrist to floor measurement doesn't take that into consideration, but it would be apparent after a SKILLFUL fitter watched me swing. Billy-Bo-Jim-Bob and Everardo 1 1 Quote Callaway 816 Alpha DBD driver, 3 wood, 5 wood, Alpha 815 3 hybrid, RAZR X Forged cavity back irons 3-AW, 54-14 MD4 wedge, Maltby MS+ wide grind 60 degree lob wedge, 37 inch Rife Swithback Two putter. All clubs overlength - 47 inch driver, 45 inch 3wood, 44 inch 5 wood, 41 inch 3 hybrid, 39.5 inch 5 iron with other irons in line with that. All clubs graphite shafted and X-flex except flex of putter. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Quigleyd Posted December 28, 2021 Share Posted December 28, 2021 I know this is an old thread and I am jumping in late. but, I am not sure I agree fitting should be free. Now, what I am not really a fan of is the way places like TXG, Club Champion etc gouge on their builds. The charge you full boat for the irons. Then if you got something that the manufacturer offers as a standard no up charge option, you are still paying full retail price for that as well. So an iron set that would cost you 1500 is now 2k because they are basically ala carte components. Sure, it makes for huge profit margins for them. But it is kind of a dirty way of doing it. But, for the person that has to have the knowledge and ability to work with lots of different swings and say that service should be free? I dunno. That is like saying you should not be charged for labor for getting your oil changed. I will add, that I do fittings. I do not charge for those. It sometimes irks me though because there are many times I feel taken advantage of. They come in, spend an hour plus on a fitting. take up space in a bay, etc etc. Then leave and go order online or through a pro shop etc. Quote Driver: Callaway Paradym Triple diamond 10.5 Ventus black TR 6x 3 wood ; Callaway Paradym triple diamond 15 degree, Ventus black TR 7x Apex UW 19 degree, Ventus black TR 8x Utility Iron: Mizuno Pro Fli Hi 4 utility, Ventus blue HB 90X Irons: Callaway Apex MB 5-PW, KBS $ taper 130x Wedges: Callaway Jaws Raw 50, 54, 58, KBS $ taper 130x Putter: Wilson Staff TM22, hand torched, KBS cutter putter shaft, Super stroke Pistol GT 1.0 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dlow206 Posted December 29, 2021 Share Posted December 29, 2021 2 hours ago, Quigleyd said: I know this is an old thread and I am jumping in late. but, I am not sure I agree fitting should be free. Now, what I am not really a fan of is the way places like TXG, Club Champion etc gouge on their builds. The charge you full boat for the irons. Then if you got something that the manufacturer offers as a standard no up charge option, you are still paying full retail price for that as well. So an iron set that would cost you 1500 is now 2k because they are basically ala carte components. Sure, it makes for huge profit margins for them. But it is kind of a dirty way of doing it. But, for the person that has to have the knowledge and ability to work with lots of different swings and say that service should be free? I dunno. That is like saying you should not be charged for labor for getting your oil changed. I will add, that I do fittings. I do not charge for those. It sometimes irks me though because there are many times I feel taken advantage of. They come in, spend an hour plus on a fitting. take up space in a bay, etc etc. Then leave and go order online or through a pro shop etc. TXG started to do something worse on their builds, regarding pricing. Already knew about paying the full retail price on the clubs and then full price on the shafts separately. They heavily mark-up the shafts as well, at least for irons. Nippon 950gh, which are one of the cheaper iron shafts out there, are $85 USD per club from TXG! Those are $25 shafts at full retail from Golf Works. Quote Follow my golf journey to break into the 80s Tester for the Titleist TSi Driver Spring 2020 MGS Tester for the Fujikura Motore X Shaft Updated 07/15/2022 Driver: Rogue St Max LS - Autoflex Fairway Woods: Rogue Max St 3HL and 7 Wood Irons: JPX 921 Hot Metal 5 to AW - Aerotech Steelfiber i95 Stiff parallel tip Wedges: Glide 4.0 54 and 58 Putter: PLD Custom Kushin 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RollingGreens Posted December 29, 2021 Share Posted December 29, 2021 23 minutes ago, dlow206 said: TXG started to do something worse on their builds, regarding pricing. Already knew about paying the full retail price on the clubs and then full price on the shafts separately. They heavily mark-up the shafts as well, at least for irons. Nippon 950gh, which are one of the cheaper iron shafts out there, are $85 USD per club from TXG! Those are $25 shafts at full retail from Golf Works. People have shown that they will pay for it a la the club champion model. The big thing you hope for is a better fitter and no issues with the build quality. Quote Stealth 2 Plus 9deg Kai' li Red Stealth 2 13deg Aldilla Rogue Silver Stealth 2 15deg Aldilla Rogue Silver JPX 921 Hot Metal 4-PW Nippon Modus 120s SM8 54 and 58deg Dynamic Gold Wedge Flex Scotty Cameron Newport 2 Titleist ProV1 Hoofer Stand Bag Stewart Q Follow Electric Caddie 300 PRO Rangefinder Official Nippon Regio B+ Driver Shaft Review Official Stewart Q Follow Review Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Quigleyd Posted December 29, 2021 Share Posted December 29, 2021 1 hour ago, dlow206 said: TXG started to do something worse on their builds, regarding pricing. Already knew about paying the full retail price on the clubs and then full price on the shafts separately. They heavily mark-up the shafts as well, at least for irons. Nippon 950gh, which are one of the cheaper iron shafts out there, are $85 USD per club from TXG! Those are $25 shafts at full retail from Golf Works. Is that a recent supply issue thing? Still dirty but I would kind of understand a supply issue pricing model. The cost of replacement kinda deal. Quote Driver: Callaway Paradym Triple diamond 10.5 Ventus black TR 6x 3 wood ; Callaway Paradym triple diamond 15 degree, Ventus black TR 7x Apex UW 19 degree, Ventus black TR 8x Utility Iron: Mizuno Pro Fli Hi 4 utility, Ventus blue HB 90X Irons: Callaway Apex MB 5-PW, KBS $ taper 130x Wedges: Callaway Jaws Raw 50, 54, 58, KBS $ taper 130x Putter: Wilson Staff TM22, hand torched, KBS cutter putter shaft, Super stroke Pistol GT 1.0 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dlow206 Posted December 29, 2021 Share Posted December 29, 2021 2 hours ago, Quigleyd said: Is that a recent supply issue thing? Still dirty but I would kind of understand a supply issue pricing model. The cost of replacement kinda deal. I'm not sure if its recent, but all shafts are much higher at TXG than I think than even Club Champion would charge. Quigleyd 1 Quote Follow my golf journey to break into the 80s Tester for the Titleist TSi Driver Spring 2020 MGS Tester for the Fujikura Motore X Shaft Updated 07/15/2022 Driver: Rogue St Max LS - Autoflex Fairway Woods: Rogue Max St 3HL and 7 Wood Irons: JPX 921 Hot Metal 5 to AW - Aerotech Steelfiber i95 Stiff parallel tip Wedges: Glide 4.0 54 and 58 Putter: PLD Custom Kushin 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RickyBobby_PR Posted December 29, 2021 Share Posted December 29, 2021 15 hours ago, Quigleyd said: I know this is an old thread and I am jumping in late. but, I am not sure I agree fitting should be free. Now, what I am not really a fan of is the way places like TXG, Club Champion etc gouge on their builds. The charge you full boat for the irons. Then if you got something that the manufacturer offers as a standard no up charge option, you are still paying full retail price for that as well. So an iron set that would cost you 1500 is now 2k because they are basically ala carte components. Sure, it makes for huge profit margins for them. But it is kind of a dirty way of doing it. But, for the person that has to have the knowledge and ability to work with lots of different swings and say that service should be free? I dunno. That is like saying you should not be charged for labor for getting your oil changed. I will add, that I do fittings. I do not charge for those. It sometimes irks me though because there are many times I feel taken advantage of. They come in, spend an hour plus on a fitting. take up space in a bay, etc etc. Then leave and go order online or through a pro shop etc. the price of clubs from an independent builder are always going to be higher. A set of Srixon zx5 as an example is going to cost $1775 for 4-p from will peoples even with a modus 120 shaft that is no upcharge if ordering directly from Srixon and the standard size mcc grip which is also stock grip from srixon. If i ordered that set directly from srixon it’s under $1150 before taxes and shipping and if I ordered thru my shop I’m not paying the shipping and as a loyal customer I’m going to get a small discount from the shop It surprises me that people are still shocked that it’s expensive to have irons clubs built by places like CC or TXG and that they ignore all of the expenses a business like that has and that they charge more for products to help cover their operating expenses including paying the people who work for them along with all the associated taxes for having employees. If you order an upcharge shaft via a manufacturer you don’t get the stock shaft in the club and you get charged the upcharge fee on top of the standard price. Why are people shocked that they don’t get free stock shaft/shafts along with the upgraded one they buy from CC and that like any other club builder CC charges fees to build their clubs. Theres a lot of golfers living in fantasy land Quote Driver: PXG 0811 X+ Proto w/UST Helium 5F4 Wood: TaylorMade M5 5W w/Accra TZ5 +1/2”, TaylorMade Sim 3W w/Aldila rogue white Hybrid: PXG Gen2 22* w/AD hybrid Irons: PXG Gen3 0311T w/Nippon modus 120 Wedges: TaylorMade MG2 50*, Tiger grind 56/60 Putter: Scotty Caemeron Super Rat1 Ball: Titleist Prov1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fixyurdivot Posted December 29, 2021 Share Posted December 29, 2021 Just throwing this out there for consideration. When shopping for custom build clubs, check out Fairway Jockey (now owned by TrueSpec). As detailed in my "sticker shock" thread (irons sub forum), the prices quoted by TS following my fitting were really high. Fairway Jockey was suggested by a friend and they built my ZX5's for a savings of $445 (including the new customer 10% discount). Workmanship is top notch, and their website/build your custom clubs system easy to use and with tons of options. I suspect that is why they are now part of TrueSpec. thechrisgibbs and GregGarner 2 Quote G410 Plus, 9 Degree Driver G400 SFT, 16 Degree 3w G400 SFT, 19 Degree 5w ZX5 Irons 4-AW Glide 2.0 56 Degree SW (removed from double secret probation ) ER5v Putter (Evnroll ER5v Official Review) AI-One Milled Seven T CH (Currently Under Product Test) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GregGarner Posted January 24, 2022 Share Posted January 24, 2022 Just checking in here since there hasn't been any more news on this front. I noticed that, in 2022, fittings offered by MGS are still not free. Anybody got insider knowledge on this one? Is it a matter of just not prioritizing it to remove the cost? It's one of the main ads I see on the blog and it's still the most recent NPG episode, sooooo... (yes, I know it's been busy. holidays. product launches. whatevs. But there was a stake driven in the ground and now it's bupkis) Quote Driver: ZX5 LS MkII 9.5* (@ 9.0*) with 46.5" Ventus Blue 6X 3-wood: SIM 15* with Diamana Limited 75S 5-wood: RADspeed 18.5* with Motore X F3 60S 2i: ZX with SteelFiber i95 Stiff 4hy: TS3 23* with Tensei AV Blue 70 S 4i-7i ZX7, 8i-PW Z-Forged, Modus3 Tour 120 S 50*, 55* RTX 6 Modus3 Tour 125 60* RTX Full Face ZipCore DG Spinner S400 Putter: Toulon Chicago with a Quad Tour or HB SOFT Milled 10.5S with UST All-in Ball: Chrome Tour (but I might still have some Left Dashes hanging around) Bag: Ltd Edition Tartan, blue/green/yellow Using to keep track of my shots Tested: D7 Forged 3i-PW, KBS Tour-V 110S - Official Review Blind Ball Test (Ball #3 vs Ball #4) - Unofficial Review V3 GPS Watch + Tags - Official Review Vero X2 - Official Review The Stack System - Official Review Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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